| Players Ready For Prem? 10:10 - Oct 26 with 3709 views | bob12 |
I don't want to get ahead of myself but I was having a think about how many of our starting 11 is Prem Standard. The jump is much larger than this season so was thinking how many signings would we realistically need?
I love watching this team play, but you only have to look at Burnley. They walked the Champ last season but really struggling to make the step up.
Thoughts on which current players start the first game of the Prem Season? |  | | |  |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:12 - Oct 26 with 3065 views | TractorCam |
Davis and Broadhead are there, Morsy possibly although he'll be 33 this time next year. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:13 - Oct 26 with 3057 views | textbackup |
Wolf could play any level you put him in |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:13 - Oct 26 with 3059 views | Guthrum |
Keep most of the same squad together. Worked this time.
Too many signings can mess a team up. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:18 - Oct 26 with 3023 views | FrimleyBlue |
from starting 11, only 2 for me won't cut it in prem.
Morsy, Luongo
I just can't see either being quick enough to cope with it. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:18 - Oct 26 with 3028 views | suffolkpoker |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:13 - Oct 26 by Guthrum |
Keep most of the same squad together. Worked this time.
Too many signings can mess a team up. |
I would agree with this. IF we go up i would like to see 3 or 4 signings and keep the bulk of the same side. If they come straight back down it will make them even better for the following season.
Players who will be fin;-
Chaps
Wolfy
Burns
Morsey
Williams - shame a loan
Broadhead
Both keepers would also be ok imo.
I also think Hirst would have a part to play. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:25 - Oct 26 with 2999 views | Guthrum |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:18 - Oct 26 by suffolkpoker |
I would agree with this. IF we go up i would like to see 3 or 4 signings and keep the bulk of the same side. If they come straight back down it will make them even better for the following season.
Players who will be fin;-
Chaps
Wolfy
Burns
Morsey
Williams - shame a loan
Broadhead
Both keepers would also be ok imo.
I also think Hirst would have a part to play. |
Think Hutchinson and Williams should be the targets we go after (same as Hirst and Luongo in the summer) - consolidation of a winning setup - plus one or two others.
Not seen enough of Scarlett to judge yet. Plus there may be one or two arriving in January to go into the mix. | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:31 - Oct 26 with 2936 views | _clive_baker_ |
We would definitely need a serious level of investment, but I don't think Gamechanger will have invested to get us there for us to make up the numbers.
Woolf, Davis, Williams (if we could make perm), Broadhead wouldn't look out of place IMO. Then you've got Walton, Chaplin, Hirst and Burns who would have earned the chance. Tuanzebe potentially depending on how he gets on here.
We would almost certainly be looking at 4 or 5 quality additions, particularly through the spine of the team and in the middle. |  | | |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:38 - Oct 26 with 2887 views | Mullet |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:31 - Oct 26 by _clive_baker_ |
We would definitely need a serious level of investment, but I don't think Gamechanger will have invested to get us there for us to make up the numbers.
Woolf, Davis, Williams (if we could make perm), Broadhead wouldn't look out of place IMO. Then you've got Walton, Chaplin, Hirst and Burns who would have earned the chance. Tuanzebe potentially depending on how he gets on here.
We would almost certainly be looking at 4 or 5 quality additions, particularly through the spine of the team and in the middle. |
Yep, this the issue is as you move from "can play in the Prem" to "do ok in the Prem" to "thrive in the Prem" the number starts low and diminishes fairly quickly at the moment.
Lots of potential here, but the idea we'd not need a similar squad evolution to January on steroids seems naive at best. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:50 - Oct 26 with 2822 views | WeWereZombies |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:18 - Oct 26 by suffolkpoker |
I would agree with this. IF we go up i would like to see 3 or 4 signings and keep the bulk of the same side. If they come straight back down it will make them even better for the following season.
Players who will be fin;-
Chaps
Wolfy
Burns
Morsey
Williams - shame a loan
Broadhead
Both keepers would also be ok imo.
I also think Hirst would have a part to play. |
It's a tin line between fin and fine...
There are players who we would have said of at this time last year could not step up to the Second Division from the Third: Burgess, Donacien, Burns, even Chaplin but who have shown their mettle. It's a complex formula of ability, fitting into the shape of teh squad and into the patterns of play required for individual games. As Guthrum says, too many new faces can disrupt a squad. No Serenis please. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 11:00 - Oct 26 with 2781 views | Chrisd |
Make no mistake, this a huge step up in class. This isn’t like when we came up under Burley and we made a couple of additions to the squad. As you rightly say, look at Burnley, look at Forest last season with the amount of players they have brought in and also look at how the Canaries did it by not investing. I think for us, just concentrate on this season, there’s so many games left lots of twists and turns yet. We don’t need to worry about the EPL just yet, but nice to have these discussions. It seemed a long way off not so long ago. | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:06 - Oct 26 with 2656 views | Garv |
Back four would be fine I think. I doubt Burgess is any worse than some of the defenders currently playing for the likes of Forest, Luton and Sheff Utd.
Morsy and Mass would struggle with pace but we're not likely to simply release both of them this summer if we go up are we?
Broadhead would be more than fine.
Hladky - maybe
Williams - yes
Wolf - yes
Burg - yes
Davis - yes
Morsy - unsure
Mass - maybe not
Burns - maybe
Chaplin - 50/50 - pace an issue I think.
Broadhead - definitely
Hirst - yes - albeit wouldn't be first choice
It's all irrelevant in a way because whatever side McKenna puts out will do the business. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:33 - Oct 26 with 2582 views | norfsufblue |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:06 - Oct 26 by Garv |
Back four would be fine I think. I doubt Burgess is any worse than some of the defenders currently playing for the likes of Forest, Luton and Sheff Utd.
Morsy and Mass would struggle with pace but we're not likely to simply release both of them this summer if we go up are we?
Broadhead would be more than fine.
Hladky - maybe
Williams - yes
Wolf - yes
Burg - yes
Davis - yes
Morsy - unsure
Mass - maybe not
Burns - maybe
Chaplin - 50/50 - pace an issue I think.
Broadhead - definitely
Hirst - yes - albeit wouldn't be first choice
It's all irrelevant in a way because whatever side McKenna puts out will do the business. |
Burgess or McGuire.....I don't think I'd swap at the moment tbf |  | | |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:42 - Oct 26 with 2550 views | Ryorry |
Way too ahead of yourself for my comfort.
Remember Owls & Owlstalk last season ..?
Complacency is the downfall of many ventures, not jst football (remember Neil Kinnock & 'Things can only get better).
I'll just carry on taking each game as it comes, as KM & squad do - can't think of a finer example of leadership than that. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:48 - Oct 26 with 2517 views | strikalite |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:33 - Oct 26 by norfsufblue |
Burgess or McGuire.....I don't think I'd swap at the moment tbf |
I was going to start a thread asking would you swap Wolf for Harry Maguire, I wouldn't for sure.. |  | | |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:49 - Oct 26 with 2517 views | Ryorry |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 11:00 - Oct 26 by Chrisd |
Make no mistake, this a huge step up in class. This isn’t like when we came up under Burley and we made a couple of additions to the squad. As you rightly say, look at Burnley, look at Forest last season with the amount of players they have brought in and also look at how the Canaries did it by not investing. I think for us, just concentrate on this season, there’s so many games left lots of twists and turns yet. We don’t need to worry about the EPL just yet, but nice to have these discussions. It seemed a long way off not so long ago. |
Burley didn't just make "a couple of additions to the squad" though did he - that was exactly the problem. He added several simultaneously, which not only broke the wage structure & thus upset many of the existing squad, but wrecked the team spirit & togetherness of the squad which had been a big factor in getting us promoted. | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:07 - Oct 26 with 2464 views | WeWereZombies |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:49 - Oct 26 by Ryorry |
Burley didn't just make "a couple of additions to the squad" though did he - that was exactly the problem. He added several simultaneously, which not only broke the wage structure & thus upset many of the existing squad, but wrecked the team spirit & togetherness of the squad which had been a big factor in getting us promoted. |
I think it was a couple of additions though, Finidi (a good addition but past his best and away on International duty too often to be that focal point we needed) and Sereni (no better than Andy Marshall as a keeper and a lot worse as a dressing room influence if accounts are to be believed.) And this was in the year after finishing fifth in the top flight, a lot of the group who had performed so well in the Second Division were retained through the seasons with intelligent additions (Stewie, Reuser, Herman) along the way. | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:11 - Oct 26 with 2439 views | suffolkpoker |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:50 - Oct 26 by WeWereZombies |
It's a tin line between fin and fine...
There are players who we would have said of at this time last year could not step up to the Second Division from the Third: Burgess, Donacien, Burns, even Chaplin but who have shown their mettle. It's a complex formula of ability, fitting into the shape of teh squad and into the patterns of play required for individual games. As Guthrum says, too many new faces can disrupt a squad. No Serenis please. |
Thanks for picking up my typo. The edit buttoon is for wimps... | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:11 - Oct 26 with 2435 views | Chrisd |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:49 - Oct 26 by Ryorry |
Burley didn't just make "a couple of additions to the squad" though did he - that was exactly the problem. He added several simultaneously, which not only broke the wage structure & thus upset many of the existing squad, but wrecked the team spirit & togetherness of the squad which had been a big factor in getting us promoted. |
That was the 2nd season, where we’d done so well during that 1st campaign and finished 5th. The gulf now between the Championship and the EPL is massive in comparison to back then due to the money. When a side like Burnley who absolutely dominated the Championship last season struggles, then you know it’s tough. I’m interested to see how Luton do, they have invested in their squad without paying silly money, perhaps that is our model especially if they survive? | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:16 - Oct 26 with 2390 views | wkj |
Reading some of the comments here are amusing as we were having the same answers to the "Who is ready for the Champ" convo. It will be interesting to see what happens when we go up and how quickly GC20 will be looking to sell the club on |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:31 - Oct 26 with 2357 views | Parsley |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:16 - Oct 26 by wkj |
Reading some of the comments here are amusing as we were having the same answers to the "Who is ready for the Champ" convo. It will be interesting to see what happens when we go up and how quickly GC20 will be looking to sell the club on |
When this conversation was happening last season there were a few starters who I thought would move to the bench and some of the back ups I thought would move on. Turns out we have almost the same starting XI and are winning virtually every game. Who knows if that will last but I'm not putting any limits on this team or these players any more, just excited to see how far they can go.
Of course there will be additions along the way and we should always be looking to improve the squad but I'm not writing anyone off. Wouldn't have expected Hladky and Burgess to be starting in the Championship but they are doing great! |  | | |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:54 - Oct 26 with 2282 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 12:49 - Oct 26 by Ryorry |
Burley didn't just make "a couple of additions to the squad" though did he - that was exactly the problem. He added several simultaneously, which not only broke the wage structure & thus upset many of the existing squad, but wrecked the team spirit & togetherness of the squad which had been a big factor in getting us promoted. |
Think you are looking back at Burley’s second season in the top flight rather than the first.
At this point in the season the chances are that the table looks nothing like it will come May. A year ago none of the teams that made the play offs were in the top six. Years ago, following relegation, Watford got off to a good start but after a string of draw in the new year scraped into play offs |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:57 - Oct 26 with 2276 views | tractordownsouth |
With the caveat that there’s a long long way to go and potential for things to go wrong here’s hypothetically how I think we’d look to build the squad if we make it. The jump would be much bigger than the one we’ve just had, so I imagine we’d want to keep the continuity with starters becoming bench players and making 4 or 5 improvements to the first XI.
Hladky - Sold on to be a no 1 elsewhere.
Williams - starter (signed permanently)
Woolfenden - starter
Burgess - bench (perhaps in favour of Tuanzebe if we can get him fit)
Davis - starter
Morsy - starter
Luongo - bench. Could see him delaying his return back home if PL football is on offer.
Burns - bench
Chaplin - starter
Broadhead - starter
Hirst - bench |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:59 - Oct 26 with 2268 views | Ryorry |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 13:11 - Oct 26 by Chrisd |
That was the 2nd season, where we’d done so well during that 1st campaign and finished 5th. The gulf now between the Championship and the EPL is massive in comparison to back then due to the money. When a side like Burnley who absolutely dominated the Championship last season struggles, then you know it’s tough. I’m interested to see how Luton do, they have invested in their squad without paying silly money, perhaps that is our model especially if they survive? |
Ah, yes 👍 - sorry, got those 2 seasons mixed up. | |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 14:19 - Oct 26 with 2215 views | mutters |
Please let's not go there just yet, we are only just over a quarter of a very long season and anything can happen. All it takes is a few injuries to players that are not easily replaceable and boom...
Very excited about the season, it's an amazing time to be a Town fan especially what we have been through over the last 15 years....
Let's just enjoy it and see where we are in May. No jinxing, please. |  |
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| Players Ready For Prem? on 14:36 - Oct 26 with 2145 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Players Ready For Prem? on 10:31 - Oct 26 by _clive_baker_ |
We would definitely need a serious level of investment, but I don't think Gamechanger will have invested to get us there for us to make up the numbers.
Woolf, Davis, Williams (if we could make perm), Broadhead wouldn't look out of place IMO. Then you've got Walton, Chaplin, Hirst and Burns who would have earned the chance. Tuanzebe potentially depending on how he gets on here.
We would almost certainly be looking at 4 or 5 quality additions, particularly through the spine of the team and in the middle. |
January is going to be a very interesting window isn’t. January 2023 was crucial to our current success and, whilst difficult, I wonder if KM will want to bring in a couple of players that he sees as potential starters in the league above. | | | |
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