| So in a protest for peace 10:20 - Nov 12 with 18172 views | GlasgowBlue |
Peter Tatchell was stopped from marching for holding sings saying
“Free Palestine”.
“Armistice Now”.
“End Israel’s Occupation”. (Twice)
“End Hamas’s Sexist, Homophobic, AntiHuman Rights Dictatorship”
What part did the organisers disagree with?
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| So in a protest for peace on 10:24 - Nov 12 with 8207 views | Darth_Koont |
Here we go ... |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 10:24 - Nov 12 with 8213 views | Herbivore |
From his tweet it sounds like they were against him as an individual rather than against the signs he was holding. Utterly ridiculous though either way. |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 10:38 - Nov 12 with 8133 views | StokieBlue |
Why focus on a few errors that were made rather than the 300,000+ who marched peacefully to make their point?
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| So in a protest for peace on 10:39 - Nov 12 with 8123 views | JackNorthStand |
The whole thing has become a joke and any message has been lost with how the media are reporting and the public are discussing it. The “ March “ is being discussed instead of the message behind it. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:10 - Nov 12 with 7992 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 10:38 - Nov 12 by StokieBlue |
Why focus on a few errors that were made rather than the 300,000+ who marched peacefully to make their point?
SB [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 10:43]
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Why focus on a gay man’s lived experience? It’s only one gay man after all.
Christ Stokie.
Maybe the antisemitism and support for terrorists on display should be conveniently brushed under the carpet as well. “I don’t get involved in antisemitism threads because I dint know much about it”.
I could go on but you don’t really care. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 11:16 - Nov 12 with 7946 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:10 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Why focus on a gay man’s lived experience? It’s only one gay man after all.
Christ Stokie.
Maybe the antisemitism and support for terrorists on display should be conveniently brushed under the carpet as well. “I don’t get involved in antisemitism threads because I dint know much about it”.
I could go on but you don’t really care. |
I wonder whether these instances of antisemitism might have been more effectively dealt with if the Home Secretary hasn't whipped the far-right into action, leading to the police having to deal with violent thugs rather than more proactively policing the main march. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 11:20 - Nov 12 with 7920 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:16 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
I wonder whether these instances of antisemitism might have been more effectively dealt with if the Home Secretary hasn't whipped the far-right into action, leading to the police having to deal with violent thugs rather than more proactively policing the main march. |
I think they are two different issues. I agree 100% with you about Braverman, who should be sacked if Sunak had any balls. She is as guilty as most for hate speech by whipping up the far right knuckle draggers.
But what I have linked has been going on for 4 weeks now. I have littered hundreds of these coming on my timeline from every protest.
Jews are terrified to go into London every weekend. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 11:21]
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| So in a protest for peace on 11:21 - Nov 12 with 7913 views | brazil1982 |
They disagree with protest against Hamas. The march will attract plenty of hate, one would have to ask oneself if you would really want to go on a march where such feelings were being declared. |  | | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 11:30 - Nov 12 with 7837 views | StokieBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:10 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Why focus on a gay man’s lived experience? It’s only one gay man after all.
Christ Stokie.
Maybe the antisemitism and support for terrorists on display should be conveniently brushed under the carpet as well. “I don’t get involved in antisemitism threads because I dint know much about it”.
I could go on but you don’t really care. |
I mistakenly edited out the part where I said it was a ridiculous decision by the organisers. I thought I had left that in.
Those examples are awful but there were hundreds of thousands of people there who marched peacefully and you've made no reference to it. You've not mentioned antisemitism in your original post and given no examples so to single me out and post a number of examples about something I didn't comment on is a bit wrong in my opinion.
There will always be some idiots in any large group, they should be dealt with appropriately.
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| So in a protest for peace on 11:54 - Nov 12 with 7680 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:30 - Nov 12 by StokieBlue |
I mistakenly edited out the part where I said it was a ridiculous decision by the organisers. I thought I had left that in.
Those examples are awful but there were hundreds of thousands of people there who marched peacefully and you've made no reference to it. You've not mentioned antisemitism in your original post and given no examples so to single me out and post a number of examples about something I didn't comment on is a bit wrong in my opinion.
There will always be some idiots in any large group, they should be dealt with appropriately.
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What is the issue with highlighting incidents of racism. These people should have their faces plastered and shamed all over social media - even if no police action follows.
Judging by the Hitler comments, perhaps some of them joined the wrong protest yesterday. | | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:07 - Nov 12 with 7595 views | StokieBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:54 - Nov 12 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
What is the issue with highlighting incidents of racism. These people should have their faces plastered and shamed all over social media - even if no police action follows.
Judging by the Hitler comments, perhaps some of them joined the wrong protest yesterday. |
Where did I say there was an issue in highlighting them? They weren't even in the original post and I've said they should be dealt with appropriately.
I've also said the decision by the organisers was ridiculous.
My point is that there will always be idiots but they were the minority and to solely focus on that seems to imply that the general context of the march was like this when that doesn't seem to be the case
It is however what Braverman would want you to believe.
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:15 - Nov 12 with 7532 views | DJR |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:10 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Why focus on a gay man’s lived experience? It’s only one gay man after all.
Christ Stokie.
Maybe the antisemitism and support for terrorists on display should be conveniently brushed under the carpet as well. “I don’t get involved in antisemitism threads because I dint know much about it”.
I could go on but you don’t really care. |
All very shocking, as is the treatment of Peter Tatchell, and I feel for the Jewish community, but in my view it doesn't detract from the view of those of us with no skin in the game that the continuation of what is going on in Gaza at the moment in terms of civilian deaths, injuries and destruction is very difficult to justify.
Of course, nothing is going to change unless the US changes its approach, and even then Netanyahu may press ahead regardless, but for my own part I believe a ceasefire for a period at least is best in humanitarian terms both for ordinary Gazans and securing the release of hostages. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:16 - Nov 12 with 7538 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:07 - Nov 12 by StokieBlue |
Where did I say there was an issue in highlighting them? They weren't even in the original post and I've said they should be dealt with appropriately.
I've also said the decision by the organisers was ridiculous.
My point is that there will always be idiots but they were the minority and to solely focus on that seems to imply that the general context of the march was like this when that doesn't seem to be the case
It is however what Braverman would want you to believe.
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And how do you feel about British Jews avoiding going into the capital city of their country at the weekend? | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:23 - Nov 12 with 7468 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:20 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I think they are two different issues. I agree 100% with you about Braverman, who should be sacked if Sunak had any balls. She is as guilty as most for hate speech by whipping up the far right knuckle draggers.
But what I have linked has been going on for 4 weeks now. I have littered hundreds of these coming on my timeline from every protest.
Jews are terrified to go into London every weekend. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 11:21]
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What's your solution? Clearly any intimidating behaviour and racism is unacceptable but do we ban the marches on the basis of the behaviour of a small minority of individuals or do we try and police more effectively those whose behaviour crosses a line? For me I don't think the issues are separate, if Suella Braverman hadn't effectively invited far-right thugs to come into the capital then police resources wouldn't have been wasted dealing with their violent behaviour and that would have freed up more officers to proactively tackle any unacceptable behaviour from individuals within the main march. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:27 - Nov 12 with 7456 views | giant_stow |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:23 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
What's your solution? Clearly any intimidating behaviour and racism is unacceptable but do we ban the marches on the basis of the behaviour of a small minority of individuals or do we try and police more effectively those whose behaviour crosses a line? For me I don't think the issues are separate, if Suella Braverman hadn't effectively invited far-right thugs to come into the capital then police resources wouldn't have been wasted dealing with their violent behaviour and that would have freed up more officers to proactively tackle any unacceptable behaviour from individuals within the main march. |
Braverman an ought to be done for inciting violence and hatred, let alone sacked |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:38 - Nov 12 with 7376 views | DJR |
It is a little-known fact that three out of the four co-founders of Momentum (the organisation set up to support Corbyn) were Jewish.
The most prominent was Jon Lansman and I think this is an interesting development.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/12/momentum-founder-jon-lansman-sa
As it is, whilst of the left (and in today's terms very left), I have never really understood the commitment that many people of the so-called hard left have for the Palestine cause. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 12:42]
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:39 - Nov 12 with 7378 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:27 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Braverman an ought to be done for inciting violence and hatred, let alone sacked |
Agreed. She is directly responsible for what happened yesterday and should be held to account. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:49 - Nov 12 with 7313 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:10 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Why focus on a gay man’s lived experience? It’s only one gay man after all.
Christ Stokie.
Maybe the antisemitism and support for terrorists on display should be conveniently brushed under the carpet as well. “I don’t get involved in antisemitism threads because I dint know much about it”.
I could go on but you don’t really care. |
What aboutism at its worst.
We know that many nations are way behind us in realising that religous driven bigotry and prejudice against lbtq people is bad. But mass killing of civilians is still worse. And that is what the march was about.
Of course there are vicious idiots among 300,000 people. They shoul dbe dealt with where they cross the line. There were far more amongst the "counter protest" though you wouldnt know it from about 50% of the media and headlines.
Of course people care, but to pretend the only hateful genocidal inclinations are on one side is just wrong. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 12:51]
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:53 - Nov 12 with 7279 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
As a matter of interest, as it appears to be critical in the OP, what did Peter Tatchell do on the Ukraine march that they are referring to? |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:54 - Nov 12 with 7260 views | DJR |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:38 - Nov 12 by DJR |
It is a little-known fact that three out of the four co-founders of Momentum (the organisation set up to support Corbyn) were Jewish.
The most prominent was Jon Lansman and I think this is an interesting development.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/12/momentum-founder-jon-lansman-sa
As it is, whilst of the left (and in today's terms very left), I have never really understood the commitment that many people of the so-called hard left have for the Palestine cause. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 12:42]
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Interesting to note the pinned Tweet of James Schneider, another Jewish co-founder of Momentum.
I've seen him a few times recently on news programmes as a guest, and he comes across as a very decent, articulate and balanced individual. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 12:57]
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| So in a protest for peace on 12:58 - Nov 12 with 7220 views | StokieBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:16 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
And how do you feel about British Jews avoiding going into the capital city of their country at the weekend? |
I am feeling slightly lead by your responses in that I feel you're trying to get me to say something I don't believe.
It's horrible that some British Jews have been made to feel that way. I know you've highlighted it over the past few weeks and as I've said, people committing antisemitic acts should face the appropriate punishment.
You've going to need to provide more context though:
Are you saying that this avoidance is a direct consequence of yesterdays march? That is after all what we were discussing.
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| So in a protest for peace on 13:06 - Nov 12 with 7157 views | LankHenners |
| So in a protest for peace on 11:20 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I think they are two different issues. I agree 100% with you about Braverman, who should be sacked if Sunak had any balls. She is as guilty as most for hate speech by whipping up the far right knuckle draggers.
But what I have linked has been going on for 4 weeks now. I have littered hundreds of these coming on my timeline from every protest.
Jews are terrified to go into London every weekend. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 11:21]
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Not to take away from the instances like you've referred to as they're obviously awful, and you've, very reasonably, made clear why your posting on this whole matter is very largely from the POV of Jewish people, but one could very easily post instances from social media of Palestinians, or indeed anyone of middle-eastern appearance, being shouted abuse at etc. in the manner of some of those videos.
As I said, am not trying to 'both sides' anything, as for one thing I don't really think describing 'sides' here is helpful or accurate, but there is a concerted effort from some people either in the media or with otherwise relatively large platforms, to paint every instance of Palestinian solidarity as being explicit 'pro-Hamas' or just 'pro-hate', which was happening long before Braverman's recent comments (for which in any sane world she'd have the book thrown at her). As well as being obviously untrue it works to fuel the fire of abuse at Palestinian people or anyone showing sympathy with them.
You should probably be a bit more careful with posts you share as well as over the last week or so you've occasionally linked tweets from incredibly unsavoury characters who have said despicable things about Palestinians or Muslims as a whole, and/or don't genuinely care about Jews but are using the current situation as an excuse to spew their usual bile. Not to bring up old arguments but it's not the first time you've done this either. I don't think you're doing it on purpose but I'd like to think you could see why posting the likes of Andy N'Go on here is a bit inappropriate, and that some of the people you're obviously following on Twitter to see these videos are not acting in good faith at all. Accusing other posters of 'not caring' about Jewish people being afraid to walk through London (which I have slight issue with as a comment in itself but will leave that alone) is a very low blow as well imo and doesn't do you any favours.
I've said before I, like you, like plenty of others, feel incredibly despondent about the whole thing and have said how I feel a bit sick at some of the stuff that's gone on, including what seems to me to be a state of indifference shown by people on here to the lives of Palestinians in Gaza or indeed anywhere else in the world.
I suppose the point or TL;DR version of this post is to say I don't think it's really in good faith to take what is ultimately a small part of something and try and say it's representative of the thing as a whole, whether you're doing it intentionally or not, and in truth I find it a bit unpleasant that I see it being done a fair amount on here. |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 13:07 - Nov 12 with 7156 views | giant_stow |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:53 - Nov 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As a matter of interest, as it appears to be critical in the OP, what did Peter Tatchell do on the Ukraine march that they are referring to? |
I only read the following in a random tweet, but he apparently called for the West to arm Ukraine. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 13:10 - Nov 12 with 7126 views | eireblue |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:27 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Braverman an ought to be done for inciting violence and hatred, let alone sacked |
Yea, that would be wishful, and quite amusing,
Sue Ellen:” Thank you for coming around so promptly we need to talk about your decisions, and how you must take accountability….”
Met Commissioner: “Well this is going to be awkward,……would you mind standing up, turning around, and putting your hands on your head…” |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 13:18 - Nov 12 with 7063 views | orfordbuoy |
we live in a community of soundbites and hypocrisy. |  | | |
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