| It's official labour majority (n/t) 05:00 - Jul 5 with 3928 views | GeoffSentence |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:07 - Jul 5 with 2453 views | wkj |
I am not the biggest fan of Starmer, but his acceptance speech was refreshing to say the least. If this starts an age where politics is more than poo-flinging, then I am very pleased. |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:11 - Jul 5 with 2436 views | Zx1988 |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:07 - Jul 5 by wkj |
I am not the biggest fan of Starmer, but his acceptance speech was refreshing to say the least. If this starts an age where politics is more than poo-flinging, then I am very pleased. |
Very good speech. It got slightly dusty in here, although that's probably in part because I'm knackered! |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:46 - Jul 5 with 2388 views | quirkie |
Well done Labour, winning a huge majority with 37% of the vote on the lowest turnout for a general election ever while the right wing split their vote between the Tories and Reform.
Sure it is going to be a nice easy peachy five years for Kier Starmer. Going to be great fun when he welcomes Trump for a visit. |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 06:03 - Jul 5 with 2326 views | Illinoisblue |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:46 - Jul 5 by quirkie |
Well done Labour, winning a huge majority with 37% of the vote on the lowest turnout for a general election ever while the right wing split their vote between the Tories and Reform.
Sure it is going to be a nice easy peachy five years for Kier Starmer. Going to be great fun when he welcomes Trump for a visit. |
Is this the political equivalent of penalties don’t count? |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 06:22 - Jul 5 with 2312 views | RIPbobby |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:07 - Jul 5 by wkj |
I am not the biggest fan of Starmer, but his acceptance speech was refreshing to say the least. If this starts an age where politics is more than poo-flinging, then I am very pleased. |
I concur with this. Very much against the socialists, but it's your turn now. Conduct yourself with dignity and a touch of class and people will back you. Don't line your own pockets like the previous incumbents. |  | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 06:25 - Jul 5 with 2299 views | GeoffSentence |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 06:22 - Jul 5 by RIPbobby |
I concur with this. Very much against the socialists, but it's your turn now. Conduct yourself with dignity and a touch of class and people will back you. Don't line your own pockets like the previous incumbents. |
This version of the Labour party can't legitimately be called socialists. Agree with the rest of it though. | |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 06:28 - Jul 5 with 2287 views | homer_123 |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 06:22 - Jul 5 by RIPbobby |
I concur with this. Very much against the socialists, but it's your turn now. Conduct yourself with dignity and a touch of class and people will back you. Don't line your own pockets like the previous incumbents. |
The current Labour Party is the most right I think I've ever seen it.
Hardly socialist. |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 07:16 - Jul 5 with 2240 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
How long until he breaks his pledge not to return to the EU and/or SM, or finds an alternative way to get a similar outcome? |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 07:30 - Jul 5 with 2206 views | GeoffSentence |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 07:16 - Jul 5 by ThisIsMyUsername |
How long until he breaks his pledge not to return to the EU and/or SM, or finds an alternative way to get a similar outcome? |
Nice bit of pre-judgement there. I doubt they will do anything like that in this parliament, particularly not with Reform being the reason why the conservatives lost big.
They have to much other stuff to do anyway, | |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 08:25 - Jul 5 with 2154 views | floridaboy |
Big majority!
Wonder who Angela Rayner will select for the new cabinet! | | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 08:43 - Jul 5 with 2141 views | Swoody |
Now is the time where thousands of students brain washed over the last 14 years finally realise that other than a few tiny changes Labour will run the country exactly they same as the Tories other than wasting more cash. It’s going to be interesting over the next four or five years seeing all forms of media slowly destroy them and we end up with a massive swing at the next election! | | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:04 - Jul 5 with 2092 views | BlueBadger |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:46 - Jul 5 by quirkie |
Well done Labour, winning a huge majority with 37% of the vote on the lowest turnout for a general election ever while the right wing split their vote between the Tories and Reform.
Sure it is going to be a nice easy peachy five years for Kier Starmer. Going to be great fun when he welcomes Trump for a visit. |
Cry on the telly, we've seen you cry on the telly |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:11 - Jul 5 with 2073 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 05:46 - Jul 5 by quirkie |
Well done Labour, winning a huge majority with 37% of the vote on the lowest turnout for a general election ever while the right wing split their vote between the Tories and Reform.
Sure it is going to be a nice easy peachy five years for Kier Starmer. Going to be great fun when he welcomes Trump for a visit. |
Labour have gone from one of their biggest ever defeats to one of their biggest ever wins. It's a remarkable turnaround in context. |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:17 - Jul 5 with 2018 views | GeoffSentence |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:11 - Jul 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Labour have gone from one of their biggest ever defeats to one of their biggest ever wins. It's a remarkable turnaround in context. |
The vote share is an important point though. Looks like Labour's share is actually around 34% and yet they have this huge majority. That and tactical voting are two huge red flags for first past the post. | |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:48 - Jul 5 with 1978 views | Pencilpete |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:11 - Jul 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Labour have gone from one of their biggest ever defeats to one of their biggest ever wins. It's a remarkable turnaround in context. |
I think some perspective needs to be put on this - essentially Labours vote is pretty much the same as 2019, they haven't actually done anything (and haven't needed to) to win Reform have helped by splitting the Tory vote and some tactical voting has got Liberals elected in other seats .....
I don't get all the people say how great Starmer has done and what a great campaign he's run - hes actually run a p1ss poor campaign in my opinion and i, like many others voted for him because there literally wasn't anyone else, yeah he should be happy he's won but lets be honest the conservatives were so bad Labour could have had Gary Glitter as leader and won last night - the hard work starts now to prove all us voters who have taken a leap of faith in him that he deserved it. | | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:58 - Jul 5 with 1960 views | itfcjoe |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:48 - Jul 5 by Pencilpete |
I think some perspective needs to be put on this - essentially Labours vote is pretty much the same as 2019, they haven't actually done anything (and haven't needed to) to win Reform have helped by splitting the Tory vote and some tactical voting has got Liberals elected in other seats .....
I don't get all the people say how great Starmer has done and what a great campaign he's run - hes actually run a p1ss poor campaign in my opinion and i, like many others voted for him because there literally wasn't anyone else, yeah he should be happy he's won but lets be honest the conservatives were so bad Labour could have had Gary Glitter as leader and won last night - the hard work starts now to prove all us voters who have taken a leap of faith in him that he deserved it. |
What was the point of the campaign for Labour?
What was their target?
Did they underperform, meet or overperform against their targets?
Therefore, was it a 'p155 poor campaign? |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 10:28 - Jul 5 with 1922 views | Pencilpete |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:58 - Jul 5 by itfcjoe |
What was the point of the campaign for Labour?
What was their target?
Did they underperform, meet or overperform against their targets?
Therefore, was it a 'p155 poor campaign? |
I did say 'in my opinion' - you're entitled to disagree
Labour achieved their targets but in terms of votes and % of the vote they didn't do any better than they did 5 years ago .... which indicates they didn't win because they were good they won because the opposition was really bad.
they've essentially stood still and everyone around them has dropped - thats like winning promotion because someone else got beaten ... yeah you're s till promoted, you've still won but IMO a hollow victory | | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 10:30 - Jul 5 with 1912 views | blueasfook |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 08:43 - Jul 5 by Swoody |
Now is the time where thousands of students brain washed over the last 14 years finally realise that other than a few tiny changes Labour will run the country exactly they same as the Tories other than wasting more cash. It’s going to be interesting over the next four or five years seeing all forms of media slowly destroy them and we end up with a massive swing at the next election! |
Will Keir Starmer outlast a lettuce though? |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 11:16 - Jul 5 with 1850 views | itfcjoe |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 10:28 - Jul 5 by Pencilpete |
I did say 'in my opinion' - you're entitled to disagree
Labour achieved their targets but in terms of votes and % of the vote they didn't do any better than they did 5 years ago .... which indicates they didn't win because they were good they won because the opposition was really bad.
they've essentially stood still and everyone around them has dropped - thats like winning promotion because someone else got beaten ... yeah you're s till promoted, you've still won but IMO a hollow victory |
No, they haven't stood still - they've moved around to where they needed to be | |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 11:37 - Jul 5 with 1808 views | Pencilpete |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 11:16 - Jul 5 by itfcjoe |
No, they haven't stood still - they've moved around to where they needed to be |
I think you mis-understand me
In terms of votes and % of the vote they have stood still and the conservatives have dropped. In that sense Labour are no more popular than they were 5 years ago, the conservatives are just massively unpopular ! | | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 11:46 - Jul 5 with 1794 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 10:28 - Jul 5 by Pencilpete |
I did say 'in my opinion' - you're entitled to disagree
Labour achieved their targets but in terms of votes and % of the vote they didn't do any better than they did 5 years ago .... which indicates they didn't win because they were good they won because the opposition was really bad.
they've essentially stood still and everyone around them has dropped - thats like winning promotion because someone else got beaten ... yeah you're s till promoted, you've still won but IMO a hollow victory |
Labour have won by a landslide, so your opinion that Starmer fought a 'p155 poor campaign' is clearly nonsense.
They could've put themselves out there more, been bolder in their policies... and done worse because of providing more ammunition to their opposition/the press etc. They didn't because they didn't need to... and a landslide win proves that was the absolutely correct thing to do, as many of us have been saying all along.
If you want a football analogy... they only needed a draw so why bust a gut taking risks that could backfire on them? | |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 12:06 - Jul 5 with 1760 views | Pencilpete |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 11:46 - Jul 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Labour have won by a landslide, so your opinion that Starmer fought a 'p155 poor campaign' is clearly nonsense.
They could've put themselves out there more, been bolder in their policies... and done worse because of providing more ammunition to their opposition/the press etc. They didn't because they didn't need to... and a landslide win proves that was the absolutely correct thing to do, as many of us have been saying all along.
If you want a football analogy... they only needed a draw so why bust a gut taking risks that could backfire on them? |
it's a matter of opinion and you're entitled to disagree but what i've said is not 'clearly nonsense' at all - they were up against literally the worst government this country has ever seen and have hardly managed to improve their vote share barely at all.
That tells me that Voters were not impressed by his campaign and they've won because the Conservatives were dreadful and unelectable not because he offered anything in his campaign that sold himself to the electorate. Like i said Labour could have had Gary Glitter as leader and won last night - thats how much he had it in the bag and he couldn't improve things .... so yes he should enjoy the victory and make as good as a job of it as he can but in 5 years if the Tories reinvent themselves sufficiently that majority could easily fall away because he hasn't gained any additional support
He went to the polls with a beaten Government, not much else in the way of alternatives and hasn't gained any additional votes ...... What i mean by that is His vote share stayed the same, the conservative vote was split between the Lib Dems and reform, and yes he didn't have to do anything, he's as you say 'played for a draw' but thats what Big mick used to do and look how unpopular that became very quickly !! | | | |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 12:10 - Jul 5 with 1748 views | Trequartista |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:11 - Jul 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Labour have gone from one of their biggest ever defeats to one of their biggest ever wins. It's a remarkable turnaround in context. |
With fewer votes!
I'm not disputing a defeat is a defeat and a win is a win, but it makes you think about the oddities of FPTP |  |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 12:21 - Jul 5 with 1707 views | Trequartista |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 09:48 - Jul 5 by Pencilpete |
I think some perspective needs to be put on this - essentially Labours vote is pretty much the same as 2019, they haven't actually done anything (and haven't needed to) to win Reform have helped by splitting the Tory vote and some tactical voting has got Liberals elected in other seats .....
I don't get all the people say how great Starmer has done and what a great campaign he's run - hes actually run a p1ss poor campaign in my opinion and i, like many others voted for him because there literally wasn't anyone else, yeah he should be happy he's won but lets be honest the conservatives were so bad Labour could have had Gary Glitter as leader and won last night - the hard work starts now to prove all us voters who have taken a leap of faith in him that he deserved it. |
I think you could say they have run a poor campaign for inspiring voters, and yet a brilliant tactical campaign for getting the vote out where they need it. | |
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| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 12:22 - Jul 5 with 1706 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| It's official labour majority (n/t) on 12:06 - Jul 5 by Pencilpete |
it's a matter of opinion and you're entitled to disagree but what i've said is not 'clearly nonsense' at all - they were up against literally the worst government this country has ever seen and have hardly managed to improve their vote share barely at all.
That tells me that Voters were not impressed by his campaign and they've won because the Conservatives were dreadful and unelectable not because he offered anything in his campaign that sold himself to the electorate. Like i said Labour could have had Gary Glitter as leader and won last night - thats how much he had it in the bag and he couldn't improve things .... so yes he should enjoy the victory and make as good as a job of it as he can but in 5 years if the Tories reinvent themselves sufficiently that majority could easily fall away because he hasn't gained any additional support
He went to the polls with a beaten Government, not much else in the way of alternatives and hasn't gained any additional votes ...... What i mean by that is His vote share stayed the same, the conservative vote was split between the Lib Dems and reform, and yes he didn't have to do anything, he's as you say 'played for a draw' but thats what Big mick used to do and look how unpopular that became very quickly !! |
You've essentially just repeated yourself so there's not much more I can add, other than whether his majority falls away or increases depends entirely on what happens in the next 5 years. NOW is when the work starts. They'll be judged on results (or at least direction of movement).
"I've been carrying this vase around, I'm not going to start juggling it now" some commentator just said Starmer said to him.
It's not like Mick because he didn't win anything. It's more like McKenna turning round a mid table League 1 team, getting them promoted and then you saying, "yeah but we didn't win the title." Who cares? Onwards and upwards. There's nothing hollow about it.
Another point - if Reform didn't exist their votes wouldn't automatically go to the Tories.
"Not quite I what I wanted" would've been a fair opinion. "Pi55 poor" is clearly nonsense. | |
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