| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? 09:11 - Dec 31 with 1775 views | Dubtractor |
That club seems to lurch from one shambles to another.
3 defeats on the spin with no goals scored, having appointed Europe's most highly rated manager.
The way that club has been mismanaged over the last decade or so is remarkable - that group of players are a mess of a squad. Casimero and Eriksen looked pedestrian in midfield against us, so I can't imagine what Newcastle made them look like.
Obviously quite funny to see, but how on earth has it been able to happen? |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:18 - Dec 31 with 1711 views | ITFC_Forever |
Add in Man City after their 500 point deduction and both Manc clubs could go down....!
It's a shame our game is on Sunday - I would have quite enjoyed watching Liverpool stuffing them out of sight. Liverpool away must be the last fixture they need at the moment. |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:19 - Dec 31 with 1707 views | tonybied |
It's a shame that we didn't get the win we really deserved against them as we'd only be 4 points behind them now! |  | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:19 - Dec 31 with 1702 views | NedPlimpton |
Appointing Amorim mid way through a season could be disastrous. He plays a very specific system and needs players that can fit within that system. Coming into a side low in confidence and playing square pegs in round holes is panning out exactly how you'd expect it to
Although I guarantee after writing this that everything starts to click for them and they pull away from any danger |  | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:23 - Dec 31 with 1663 views | _clive_baker_ |
They need to get Paul Cook in. |  | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:23 - Dec 31 with 1660 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Amorim wanted to wait until the summer, but was told its now or never.
He looks like he doesn't want to be there.
Hes trying to implement his preferred formation with crap players who aren't used to it. |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:28 - Dec 31 with 1622 views | JammyDodgerrr |
It's been a series of awful decisions for them. Deciding to keep Ten Hag, then buying loads of players only he would want, then sacking him a few games in, replacing him with a coach who plays a very specific way and has zero of the players to do so. Presumably there is no actual chance they get relegated, but I can see Amorim getting sacked before the season is out. |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:30 - Dec 31 with 1611 views | Mookamoo |
At what point do these clubs realise, just dumping a manager half way through the season won't fix their systemic problems.
See Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham time after time
Liverpool allowed Klopp to start from the bottom up and change everything about how Liverpool function. Now that structure is in place, it just keeps working.
We all dread the day McKenna leaves us for a shiny new project, but in the end, he and Ashton have done the same here. |  | | |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:40 - Dec 31 with 1539 views | Mullet |
You've got a few factors
The squad: A mishmash of old players on massive salaries, a load of players Ten Haag really rated and couldn't get a tune out of, youngsters being expected to glue it all together
The owner: He's the most successful man in the world apparently, but it's never his fault. He's publicly blaming people on and off the field, cutting back on every penny to the little people, making people redundant and he's got a stadium that is a massive sh1thole. All whilst expecting the public to help fund a new one.
Fans/expectations: The problem with having a fanbase that is essentially landfill is that when things get tough the negativity is deafening. We saw a microcosm of it years ago when things got "toxic" or whatever - imagine that to the nth degree across the global media and social media.
I'm absolutely loving it. I'm just sad it won't be enough to send them down. |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:43 - Dec 31 with 1509 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:23 - Dec 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Amorim wanted to wait until the summer, but was told its now or never.
He looks like he doesn't want to be there.
Hes trying to implement his preferred formation with crap players who aren't used to it. |
Sporting have already sacked his replacement haven't they? Bet Amorim will be wondering if he can go back at this rate. | | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:46 - Dec 31 with 1476 views | Mullet |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:43 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
Sporting have already sacked his replacement haven't they? Bet Amorim will be wondering if he can go back at this rate. |
Maybe he and McKenna will swap places in the summer? | |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:47 - Dec 31 with 1468 views | earlsgreenblue |
And living in Portugal my Benfica supporting neighbours are just lapping it up, how badly is the team doing. On the flip side word here is he’s looking for a return to Lisbon as things are not rosy in that camp either, we wait & see. |  | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:17 - Dec 31 with 1329 views | Guthrum |
Good mate of mine who supports ManU sums it up as several appointments of the wrong sort of manager, either too defensive (Mourinho) or too possession-obsessed (Ten Hag), combined with a squad containing too many players who are not quite good enough, don't fit the optimum style or simply have a wrong attitude.
He thinks Amorim is the right kind of manager, but it needs a lot of changes within the squad before they're going to see any success. There are too many left over from the preceding era. |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:23 - Dec 31 with 1283 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:17 - Dec 31 by Guthrum |
Good mate of mine who supports ManU sums it up as several appointments of the wrong sort of manager, either too defensive (Mourinho) or too possession-obsessed (Ten Hag), combined with a squad containing too many players who are not quite good enough, don't fit the optimum style or simply have a wrong attitude.
He thinks Amorim is the right kind of manager, but it needs a lot of changes within the squad before they're going to see any success. There are too many left over from the preceding era. |
There comes a point where they have to wake up and realise changing the manager isn't going to fix the underlying issues and player power that exists. All of these managers who have done good things elsewhere, they can't all be the problem.
As others have said Arsenal gave Arteta time, Liverpool gave Klopp time. The best thing United could do is give Amorim a free hit this season to get his ideas over and let him move a lot on and shape the squad over these next 2 windows. Otherwise they'll stay on this hopeless cycle they're in.
Issue is they're a commercial beast and have shareholders to pacify who perhaps don't have the patience. | | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:24 - Dec 31 with 1272 views | Stewart27 |
Looks like a poor draw against them now. | | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:28 - Dec 31 with 1241 views | Guthrum |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 09:40 - Dec 31 by Mullet |
You've got a few factors
The squad: A mishmash of old players on massive salaries, a load of players Ten Haag really rated and couldn't get a tune out of, youngsters being expected to glue it all together
The owner: He's the most successful man in the world apparently, but it's never his fault. He's publicly blaming people on and off the field, cutting back on every penny to the little people, making people redundant and he's got a stadium that is a massive sh1thole. All whilst expecting the public to help fund a new one.
Fans/expectations: The problem with having a fanbase that is essentially landfill is that when things get tough the negativity is deafening. We saw a microcosm of it years ago when things got "toxic" or whatever - imagine that to the nth degree across the global media and social media.
I'm absolutely loving it. I'm just sad it won't be enough to send them down. |
Ratcliffe is basically someone who is good at persuading others to lend him money. That's really what it comes down to. He then uses it to buy businesses which he can sell parts of, to buyers also using other people's money.
That's not going to work in the ManU setting. Especially when it's so hard to control the "product", i.e. results on the pitch. | |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:34 - Dec 31 with 1210 views | Guthrum |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:23 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
There comes a point where they have to wake up and realise changing the manager isn't going to fix the underlying issues and player power that exists. All of these managers who have done good things elsewhere, they can't all be the problem.
As others have said Arsenal gave Arteta time, Liverpool gave Klopp time. The best thing United could do is give Amorim a free hit this season to get his ideas over and let him move a lot on and shape the squad over these next 2 windows. Otherwise they'll stay on this hopeless cycle they're in.
Issue is they're a commercial beast and have shareholders to pacify who perhaps don't have the patience. |
My mate would agree with that. He wasn't against Ten Hag staying on, saying that the players are the problem, not the manager. He likes Amorim, but thinks he's on a tough wicket until he can change the squad. | |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:41 - Dec 31 with 1174 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:34 - Dec 31 by Guthrum |
My mate would agree with that. He wasn't against Ten Hag staying on, saying that the players are the problem, not the manager. He likes Amorim, but thinks he's on a tough wicket until he can change the squad. |
I think he's in danger of making the same mistake as Ten Hag in January/next summer in terms of going for players he trusts and knows from Sporting Lisbon. May suit his style but not at the level required for the PL week in, week out.
I think it is a bit silly to come in and impose your style personally if you clearly don't have the personnel to make it work. First and foremost he needs to get some credit in the bank by winning games. Look at McKenna when he came in here - he had principles but was pretty pragmatic and slowly adjusted/adapted as we had the squad capable of implementing his ideas in their entirety. | | | |
| Haha, marvellous stuff on 10:49 - Dec 31 with 1096 views | Dyland |
It's obviously fantasy land pipping United to 17th place, but it's a very amusing thought.
Happy new year folks!
COYFB |  |
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| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:53 - Dec 31 with 1066 views | TractorJack |
Biggest mistake was keeping Ten Hag in the summer. |  | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:57 - Dec 31 with 1036 views | Reus30 |
Club is well and truly broken.
To make it worse instead of one bad owner, adding another cockroach to the ownership structure isn't doing them any favours.
Lurching from one PR disaster to another off the pitch.
Dross football on it with players who don't want to be there.
They deserve to go down just for the way they treat their employees (the ones on mine wage not the overpaid divas).
Rotten club, shadow of what they were because of pure greed. |  | | |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:57 - Dec 31 with 1036 views | tonybied |
| Looking elsewhere - WTF is going on at Man U? on 10:41 - Dec 31 by tractorboy1978 |
I think he's in danger of making the same mistake as Ten Hag in January/next summer in terms of going for players he trusts and knows from Sporting Lisbon. May suit his style but not at the level required for the PL week in, week out.
I think it is a bit silly to come in and impose your style personally if you clearly don't have the personnel to make it work. First and foremost he needs to get some credit in the bank by winning games. Look at McKenna when he came in here - he had principles but was pretty pragmatic and slowly adjusted/adapted as we had the squad capable of implementing his ideas in their entirety. |
Exactly this, the best managers are flexible. What is the point of only wanting to play "your way" if you don't have the players to play that way? You need to adjust to the best system for the players you have available, then you can slowly move to your own style as you add the players required to play that way. You risk it all by being stubborn, it's easy to lose the players and the fans and extremely hard to win them back over once that starts to happen! Just ask our old friend Russel Martin. | | | |
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