| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... 09:56 - May 21 with 3672 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Good Article - https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6369932/2025/05/20/leicesters-psr-points-deduct
Key quotes ..
"Given Leicester’s long fight to avoid being sanctioned by either body and their most recent failure to submit accounts to the Premier League, they are almost certainly going to be charged with an aggravated breach. This would suggest a starting position of them getting docked 12 points, though with a good chance that the Premier League will ask for even more.
There is one further thing for the club to ponder, too, as the EFL has still not completely given up on the idea that it could pick up the 2022-23 PSR investigation it was unable to complete when Leicester won promotion last year.
And if that is not depressing enough, the EFL will be all over the club’s accounts for next season, so the prospect of transfer embargoes and agreed budgets is very real." |  | | |  |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 09:58 - May 21 with 3259 views | ReusersTown |
Should be more! | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:00 - May 21 with 3229 views | RegencyBlue |
Given the history of these things I’ll believe it when I see it! |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:06 - May 21 with 3169 views | _clive_baker_ |
What are the odds on 12 points but reduced to 2 on appeal?
If 12 means 12 then that can only be good for us. Big opportunity with the squad of players we have and depth of our pockets to bounce back. Won't be straight forward at all, but 90+ points would give us a great chance. |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:12 - May 21 with 3103 views | SomethingBlue |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:06 - May 21 by _clive_baker_ |
What are the odds on 12 points but reduced to 2 on appeal?
If 12 means 12 then that can only be good for us. Big opportunity with the squad of players we have and depth of our pockets to bounce back. Won't be straight forward at all, but 90+ points would give us a great chance. |
Not sure they'll wriggle out of this one. If Southampton became the only genuine parachute competition for us then it would be a massive boost. | |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:13 - May 21 with 3091 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
One of the things that is most staggering about the "We weren't a Premier League Club on the day we filed our accounts, and we weren't a Championship Club either, so neither have jurisdiction over our financial reporting" defence being accepted by the Panel, is that accounts filed on a particular date are accounts not for that date, but for the reporting period proceeding that date.
Leicester were a Premier League Club for that accounting period, so, regardless of the date of filing, the evidence demonstrates that they didn't comply with the rules, and breached Financial limits, during the relevant period.
How could the Panel see the date of filing as the significant issue here, rather than the report merely being evidence of a prior breach in the relevant period? | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:15 - May 21 with 3040 views | DJR |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:06 - May 21 by _clive_baker_ |
What are the odds on 12 points but reduced to 2 on appeal?
If 12 means 12 then that can only be good for us. Big opportunity with the squad of players we have and depth of our pockets to bounce back. Won't be straight forward at all, but 90+ points would give us a great chance. |
And might any appeal kick any punishment into a later season? |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:22 - May 21 with 2962 views | monty_radio |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:13 - May 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
One of the things that is most staggering about the "We weren't a Premier League Club on the day we filed our accounts, and we weren't a Championship Club either, so neither have jurisdiction over our financial reporting" defence being accepted by the Panel, is that accounts filed on a particular date are accounts not for that date, but for the reporting period proceeding that date.
Leicester were a Premier League Club for that accounting period, so, regardless of the date of filing, the evidence demonstrates that they didn't comply with the rules, and breached Financial limits, during the relevant period.
How could the Panel see the date of filing as the significant issue here, rather than the report merely being evidence of a prior breach in the relevant period? |
Lawfare, eh? | |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:24 - May 21 with 2939 views | Smoresy |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:00 - May 21 by RegencyBlue |
Given the history of these things I’ll believe it when I see it! |
Been here too many times before haven't we! And every year Leicester's lawyers embarrass the leagues' terrible rulebook writers in court. But maybe this time..
Least they can do is strip Leicester of last season's title. | | | |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:33 - May 21 with 2857 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:13 - May 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
One of the things that is most staggering about the "We weren't a Premier League Club on the day we filed our accounts, and we weren't a Championship Club either, so neither have jurisdiction over our financial reporting" defence being accepted by the Panel, is that accounts filed on a particular date are accounts not for that date, but for the reporting period proceeding that date.
Leicester were a Premier League Club for that accounting period, so, regardless of the date of filing, the evidence demonstrates that they didn't comply with the rules, and breached Financial limits, during the relevant period.
How could the Panel see the date of filing as the significant issue here, rather than the report merely being evidence of a prior breach in the relevant period? |
Totally agree. I think there argument was that they were a brand new Championship Club and where the rules were at that point, the PL had no ability to punish them. As the article states though, the EFL hasn't given up on the idea that it could pick up that 2022-23 PSR investigation and punish them accordingly.
Either way it will all be factored into their rolling accounts this season that will I'm sure force them into drastically cutting budgets. Can't forget they had a Championship wage bill of £60M last season that will have gone up again and was almost 20M more than Soton in 2nd place.
They will almost certainly be forced to run a more sustainable operation going forward. | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:37 - May 21 with 2819 views | Wright1 |
12 points would be huge and you would think rules them out of the race for automatics given the high points tallies set in recent years. Fingers crossed something actually sticks this time! | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 11:07 - May 21 with 2608 views | bournemouthblue |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:06 - May 21 by _clive_baker_ |
What are the odds on 12 points but reduced to 2 on appeal?
If 12 means 12 then that can only be good for us. Big opportunity with the squad of players we have and depth of our pockets to bounce back. Won't be straight forward at all, but 90+ points would give us a great chance. |
It will be at least halved won't it |  |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 11:18 - May 21 with 2538 views | Churchman |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:15 - May 21 by DJR |
And might any appeal kick any punishment into a later season? |
I reckon the can will be booted down the road. The authorities talk tough but when it comes to it, they’ll do nothing- especially if a brown envelope or two changes hands.
What they deserve is relegation to League 2. That’d mean starting in the Championship assuming swift promotions without parachute payments.
The reality is that, assuming they are guilty, they gained advantage and the £millions that came with it unfairly. They cheated, so should pay the price in my view. |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 11:27 - May 21 with 2477 views | Wickets |
For me if it happens it happens i want us to be the best side in the Championship and go up regardless of what the others do . But regardless i will still be supporting the club i love . |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 11:28 - May 21 with 2475 views | baxterbasics |
I'd rather we just beat them next season outright without relying on the punishment.
But if we need a little help, I'll take it! |  |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 11:38 - May 21 with 2411 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:15 - May 21 by DJR |
And might any appeal kick any punishment into a later season? |
Given how early this process is beginning (and there has already been a lot going on in the background with the pending non-compliance investigation), I think there is a very good chance that the case will processed quickly, leaving a lot of time to also conclude the appeal.
Leicester gave the EFL a bloody-nose, and they want to make an example of them imo. Within the rules ofc, but I'm sure (given the history) that they will be very careful to ensure a very strong case is in place. | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 12:00 - May 21 with 2307 views | Pinewoodblue |
Realistically a 12 point deduction will still leave them in a play off place next season. |  |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 12:57 - May 21 with 1980 views | Horsham |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:33 - May 21 by Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree. I think there argument was that they were a brand new Championship Club and where the rules were at that point, the PL had no ability to punish them. As the article states though, the EFL hasn't given up on the idea that it could pick up that 2022-23 PSR investigation and punish them accordingly.
Either way it will all be factored into their rolling accounts this season that will I'm sure force them into drastically cutting budgets. Can't forget they had a Championship wage bill of £60M last season that will have gone up again and was almost 20M more than Soton in 2nd place.
They will almost certainly be forced to run a more sustainable operation going forward. |
Playing devil’s advocate slightly. There isn’t anything they’ve done which they’ve had any trouble being sustainable with though, don’t think they’ve defaulted on any bills? Almost like the rules are designed to prevent upstarts upsetting the status quo. |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 13:19 - May 21 with 1866 views | DJR |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 11:38 - May 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Given how early this process is beginning (and there has already been a lot going on in the background with the pending non-compliance investigation), I think there is a very good chance that the case will processed quickly, leaving a lot of time to also conclude the appeal.
Leicester gave the EFL a bloody-nose, and they want to make an example of them imo. Within the rules ofc, but I'm sure (given the history) that they will be very careful to ensure a very strong case is in place. |
You may well be right. It's just that I wondered if this (like Man City) might be a more complicated case than Everton and Forest, and so give greater grounds for complicated appeals. | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 13:44 - May 21 with 1740 views | bsw72 |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 12:00 - May 21 by Pinewoodblue |
Realistically a 12 point deduction will still leave them in a play off place next season. |
Not so sure on that - they have an aging squad and are losing Vardy, add on that potential financial penalties / transfer embargo which may limit recruitment . . .
Appreciate we will lose Delap, but at least we will get £30M for him to assist with replacing, and have a younger squad. |  | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 13:51 - May 21 with 1685 views | Horsham |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 13:44 - May 21 by bsw72 |
Not so sure on that - they have an aging squad and are losing Vardy, add on that potential financial penalties / transfer embargo which may limit recruitment . . .
Appreciate we will lose Delap, but at least we will get £30M for him to assist with replacing, and have a younger squad. |
Think in FFP/PSR terms we’re in a much better place than them as albeit we spent what we did ,we started from a position of much lower wage costs and without years of prem level transfer spending. That’s even before any potential transfer embargo that gets slapped on them too. | | | |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 13:59 - May 21 with 1630 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 13:51 - May 21 by Horsham |
Think in FFP/PSR terms we’re in a much better place than them as albeit we spent what we did ,we started from a position of much lower wage costs and without years of prem level transfer spending. That’s even before any potential transfer embargo that gets slapped on them too. |
Vardy reported to be on £140,000 a week, £7.2m p.a.
Crazy money for a yo-yo team. | |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 14:24 - May 21 with 1525 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 09:58 - May 21 by ReusersTown |
Should be more! |
I’d relegate them to the Northern Counties East Football League. If their fans weren’t so entitled, and I was in a good mood, I might let them go into the Conference League North. |  |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 14:29 - May 21 with 1509 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 10:13 - May 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
One of the things that is most staggering about the "We weren't a Premier League Club on the day we filed our accounts, and we weren't a Championship Club either, so neither have jurisdiction over our financial reporting" defence being accepted by the Panel, is that accounts filed on a particular date are accounts not for that date, but for the reporting period proceeding that date.
Leicester were a Premier League Club for that accounting period, so, regardless of the date of filing, the evidence demonstrates that they didn't comply with the rules, and breached Financial limits, during the relevant period.
How could the Panel see the date of filing as the significant issue here, rather than the report merely being evidence of a prior breach in the relevant period? |
Isn’t the loophole that even though everyone knows they breached the rules, but as they now fall under the jurisdiction of the PL it means the EFL can’t impose sanctions. Leagues can only impose sanctions on current member clubs. I think that loophole has now been closed because of Leicester’s case at the start of this season. I better read the article, as it’s probably confirmed in there.
How stupid do you have to be to break the rules, get off on a loophole which is then closed because of your actions. And then do it again! Muppets. | |
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| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 15:08 - May 21 with 1356 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Leicester looking at a minimum 12 point deduction ... on 14:29 - May 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Isn’t the loophole that even though everyone knows they breached the rules, but as they now fall under the jurisdiction of the PL it means the EFL can’t impose sanctions. Leagues can only impose sanctions on current member clubs. I think that loophole has now been closed because of Leicester’s case at the start of this season. I better read the article, as it’s probably confirmed in there.
How stupid do you have to be to break the rules, get off on a loophole which is then closed because of your actions. And then do it again! Muppets. |
You are correct in your summary of what happened. | | | |
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