| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery 11:37 - Jan 14 with 2853 views | SouperJim |
Lincoln away - Norris has a rush of blood that arguably costs us 3 points
Wycombe away - Norris has a rush of blood that arguably costs us 2 points
Exeter away (cup) - Holy has a decent game
Accrington home - Norris back in again
Given the way Lambert chopped and changed the keepers over in the league multiple times in November/December for no readily apparent reason, what is going on here? Is there something in the loan deal which is dictating Norris playing more than he deserves, as for me Holy is the more reliable keeper. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:52 - Jan 14 with 2357 views | bahri |
Prefer Holy.
Your right Norris was very poor at coming of his line, particularly at Lincoln.
He nearly did the same on Saturday in the second half |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:56 - Jan 14 with 2346 views | Kieran_Knows |
I imagine Norris is costing us too much when sat on the bench. I read an article a few months ago that basically said the make of up loan deals is that if the club is playing the player, they don't pay for him, however if he's sat on the bench/not getting enough minutes (I presume which has been agreed beforehand), then the club that loans the player basically picks up his wage/and or other costs.
Obviously not every deal is like that, but would probably make sense in Norris' case as I imagine he is earning a decent wage at Wolves and if we're picking that up, it could be quite costly for us. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:58 - Jan 14 with 2320 views | Bluefish |
I think we can excuse him for that one. He was clearly ordered to pick the same team and therefore he had to keep Norris |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:02 - Jan 14 with 2286 views | BLUEBEAT |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I imagine Norris is costing us too much when sat on the bench. I read an article a few months ago that basically said the make of up loan deals is that if the club is playing the player, they don't pay for him, however if he's sat on the bench/not getting enough minutes (I presume which has been agreed beforehand), then the club that loans the player basically picks up his wage/and or other costs.
Obviously not every deal is like that, but would probably make sense in Norris' case as I imagine he is earning a decent wage at Wolves and if we're picking that up, it could be quite costly for us. |
Interesting.
I was thinking they were perhaps keeping parent club sweet until end January when maybe a recall clause expires. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:03 - Jan 14 with 2282 views | Chrisd |
Perhaps PL genuinely believes Norris is the better keeper? Watching him on Saturday, he lacks a presence for me and doesn't appear that commanding. I don't know if it's just his nature, but I really wanted to shake him at times to wake him up, he seemed listless. I'd much prefer us to play Holy as he's our player. Reasoning, the fact we signed him from Gillingham in the summer, he's done little wrong to be dropped and is certainly better coming off his line, it seems a no brainer. Unless PL has spoken to Holy, if I was him, I'd be thoroughly p*ssed off with this current arrangement, to be dropped in preference for a loan player. If I was Holy I think I'd speak to PL and say, 'If you aren't going to play me, send me out on loan as I need to be playing regularly in a first team.' [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 12:27]
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:11 - Jan 14 with 2247 views | SitfcB |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I imagine Norris is costing us too much when sat on the bench. I read an article a few months ago that basically said the make of up loan deals is that if the club is playing the player, they don't pay for him, however if he's sat on the bench/not getting enough minutes (I presume which has been agreed beforehand), then the club that loans the player basically picks up his wage/and or other costs.
Obviously not every deal is like that, but would probably make sense in Norris' case as I imagine he is earning a decent wage at Wolves and if we're picking that up, it could be quite costly for us. |
Send him back en |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:14 - Jan 14 with 2230 views | Chrisd |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:11 - Jan 14 by SitfcB |
Send him back en |
Yes, that's my feeling too Sitters. If it's purely a money decision, it's a strange one, as you could argue you've got a better and more reliable keeper sitting on the bench not playing. | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:14 - Jan 14 with 2223 views | SouperJim |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:03 - Jan 14 by Chrisd |
Perhaps PL genuinely believes Norris is the better keeper? Watching him on Saturday, he lacks a presence for me and doesn't appear that commanding. I don't know if it's just his nature, but I really wanted to shake him at times to wake him up, he seemed listless. I'd much prefer us to play Holy as he's our player. Reasoning, the fact we signed him from Gillingham in the summer, he's done little wrong to be dropped and is certainly better coming off his line, it seems a no brainer. Unless PL has spoken to Holy, if I was him, I'd be thoroughly p*ssed off with this current arrangement, to be dropped in preference for a loan player. If I was Holy I think I'd speak to PL and say, 'If you aren't going to play me, send me out on loan as I need to be playing regularly in a first team.' [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 12:27]
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The only weakness we've seen from Holy so far is his ability to get down to low shots quickly, yet he manages it quite well given his size. Norris is a decent keeper, but he's erratic and has been throughout his career from what I've heard.
I think Lambert probably bought Norris in at the start of the season because he wasn't sure that Holy would be good enough to be first choice from the off. Now we appear to be hamstrung and are playing him to the detriment of our own player (and the team). Ridiculous state of affairs to be honest, if it is the terms of his loan deal which is putting us in this predicament then why not send Norris back and loan someone else on more favourable terms? | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:15 - Jan 14 with 2211 views | Herbivore |
It's really baffling. All season Holy has looked more convincing than Norris when he's played. Our points per game and goals against stats are far, far better in games Holy has played. Holy is actually our player. Of all Lambert's odd decisions this one is the hardest to fathom. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:19 - Jan 14 with 2204 views | itfcjoe |
It is strange, because we were rotating keepers every game and then he decided to stick to Norris after having his shakiest 3 games I can remember, the 2 rushing out mistakes and a dodgy home game v Gillingham (where he kept a clean sheet despite passing the ball to their striker at on epoint).
I would rather see us stick to one keeper, I'd rather that keeper be Holy as don't think there is anything in it ability wise in reality and we own TH, but I'd rather Norris than keep chopping and changing |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:21 - Jan 14 with 2195 views | itfcjoe |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I imagine Norris is costing us too much when sat on the bench. I read an article a few months ago that basically said the make of up loan deals is that if the club is playing the player, they don't pay for him, however if he's sat on the bench/not getting enough minutes (I presume which has been agreed beforehand), then the club that loans the player basically picks up his wage/and or other costs.
Obviously not every deal is like that, but would probably make sense in Norris' case as I imagine he is earning a decent wage at Wolves and if we're picking that up, it could be quite costly for us. |
In the programme notes on Saturday Evans stated something along the lines that Norris has one eye on joining us permanently in the summer | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:24 - Jan 14 with 2146 views | Herbivore |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:21 - Jan 14 by itfcjoe |
In the programme notes on Saturday Evans stated something along the lines that Norris has one eye on joining us permanently in the summer |
I'm not sure I'd want him to be honest. Holy has performed much better than him on the whole and we generally look more settled at the back with Holy between the sticks. The stats bear this out as well. | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:26 - Jan 14 with 2134 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:21 - Jan 14 by itfcjoe |
In the programme notes on Saturday Evans stated something along the lines that Norris has one eye on joining us permanently in the summer |
Yes, I did see that whilst reading on here (think he was also referring to Garbutt IIRC). Wouldn't be against it, although can't see either of him or Holy wanting to continue as no.2. | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:28 - Jan 14 with 2112 views | Keaneish |
He's getting a bit too relaxed with his kicking too. A few times Saturday i felt he'd taken a touch too many; i can see him getting caught soon. Holy got away with one first game of the season but learnt his lesson quickly. Hopefully Norris won't need a reminder! |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:30 - Jan 14 with 2101 views | Bluebell |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:24 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure I'd want him to be honest. Holy has performed much better than him on the whole and we generally look more settled at the back with Holy between the sticks. The stats bear this out as well. |
To be honest I don't think Norris is any better than Gerken who we released.
I would much rather prefer Holy in goal and Przybek as sub. It would release more money too as I can't understand why we keep playing a loan keeper and getting him match ready for whoever he plays for next season. |  | | |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:04 - Jan 14 with 1976 views | Garv |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:30 - Jan 14 by Bluebell |
To be honest I don't think Norris is any better than Gerken who we released.
I would much rather prefer Holy in goal and Przybek as sub. It would release more money too as I can't understand why we keep playing a loan keeper and getting him match ready for whoever he plays for next season. |
To be honest I don't understand this logic, unless you've seen a lot of Przybek. If you have, apologies.
What happens when Holy gets injured, Przybek comes in and he's not good enough for first team football? We then complain we don't have able backup, which Norris is. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:06 - Jan 14 with 1958 views | Herbivore |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:04 - Jan 14 by Garv |
To be honest I don't understand this logic, unless you've seen a lot of Przybek. If you have, apologies.
What happens when Holy gets injured, Przybek comes in and he's not good enough for first team football? We then complain we don't have able backup, which Norris is. |
The issue is that back up is keeping our best keeper put of the side. | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:09 - Jan 14 with 1935 views | J2BLUE |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:11 - Jan 14 by SitfcB |
Send him back en |
Please just say 'then'. You look even thicker than normal saying en like some sort of 12 year old. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:13 - Jan 14 with 1917 views | Garv |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:06 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
The issue is that back up is keeping our best keeper put of the side. |
Different argument, but ultimately I agree. I'm not sure Norris is as bad as some make out, he has had some good games, but I do prefer Holy. | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:16 - Jan 14 with 1895 views | Garv |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:52 - Jan 14 by bahri |
Prefer Holy.
Your right Norris was very poor at coming of his line, particularly at Lincoln.
He nearly did the same on Saturday in the second half |
Think the problem is that he's very good at coming off his line! | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 13:22 - Jan 14 with 1867 views | Garv |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:03 - Jan 14 by Chrisd |
Perhaps PL genuinely believes Norris is the better keeper? Watching him on Saturday, he lacks a presence for me and doesn't appear that commanding. I don't know if it's just his nature, but I really wanted to shake him at times to wake him up, he seemed listless. I'd much prefer us to play Holy as he's our player. Reasoning, the fact we signed him from Gillingham in the summer, he's done little wrong to be dropped and is certainly better coming off his line, it seems a no brainer. Unless PL has spoken to Holy, if I was him, I'd be thoroughly p*ssed off with this current arrangement, to be dropped in preference for a loan player. If I was Holy I think I'd speak to PL and say, 'If you aren't going to play me, send me out on loan as I need to be playing regularly in a first team.' [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 12:27]
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* if that happened *
Toys and pram spring to mind. | |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 15:15 - Jan 14 with 1761 views | Berkshire_Blue |
It’s bizarre that we have Holy on the bench, paying for Norris on loan and have Bart on loan at Millwall. Unless Norris is miles better than Holy we should have Holy in, Bart as reserve and send Norris back | | | |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 18:44 - Jan 14 with 1645 views | BlueBadger |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 12:03 - Jan 14 by Chrisd |
Perhaps PL genuinely believes Norris is the better keeper? Watching him on Saturday, he lacks a presence for me and doesn't appear that commanding. I don't know if it's just his nature, but I really wanted to shake him at times to wake him up, he seemed listless. I'd much prefer us to play Holy as he's our player. Reasoning, the fact we signed him from Gillingham in the summer, he's done little wrong to be dropped and is certainly better coming off his line, it seems a no brainer. Unless PL has spoken to Holy, if I was him, I'd be thoroughly p*ssed off with this current arrangement, to be dropped in preference for a loan player. If I was Holy I think I'd speak to PL and say, 'If you aren't going to play me, send me out on loan as I need to be playing regularly in a first team.' [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 12:27]
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In all fairness, Lambert isn't a very good football manager, so it's entirely possible that he believes that. |  |
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| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 18:48 - Jan 14 with 1625 views | Wickets |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 11:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I imagine Norris is costing us too much when sat on the bench. I read an article a few months ago that basically said the make of up loan deals is that if the club is playing the player, they don't pay for him, however if he's sat on the bench/not getting enough minutes (I presume which has been agreed beforehand), then the club that loans the player basically picks up his wage/and or other costs.
Obviously not every deal is like that, but would probably make sense in Norris' case as I imagine he is earning a decent wage at Wolves and if we're picking that up, it could be quite costly for us. |
That's a new one on me if true Holy must be right peed off . |  | | |
| The Great Goalkeeper Mystery on 18:53 - Jan 14 with 1596 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Could be as simple as Lambert's decision to keep a consistent team coincided with Norris being the one who was playing. |  |
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