| Madness of finances in EFL 10:13 - Apr 28 with 2823 views | ElderGrizzly |
Football is f*cked
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:30 - Apr 28 with 2252 views | uefacup81 |
I've had a quick skim through the article - is the full report available anywhere? |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:35 - Apr 28 with 2241 views | NotSure |
Average manager salary in League 1 is £182K.
Meaning Lambert will be, undeservedly, earning more than this. |  | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:37 - Apr 28 with 2234 views | itfcjoe |
I don't think some of the wages of non playing staff seem out of the way - I'm not sure what people expect!
But the Championsip is in a perilous state, and has been for some time - that is where things will have to change long term which will filter down into L1 and L2 which are in ok health in reality (or those clubs with sensible owners are) |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:41 - Apr 28 with 2211 views | ITFC_Forever |
The bigger, and more nuclear, the impact of Coronavirus, the better. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 10:41]
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:44 - Apr 28 with 2183 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:37 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I don't think some of the wages of non playing staff seem out of the way - I'm not sure what people expect!
But the Championsip is in a perilous state, and has been for some time - that is where things will have to change long term which will filter down into L1 and L2 which are in ok health in reality (or those clubs with sensible owners are) |
I know they might be extremes and more than likely from the parachute clubs, but nearly £300k for a fitness coach and nearly £200k for a physio?
Seems off kilter to me | | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:46 - Apr 28 with 2178 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:35 - Apr 28 by NotSure |
Average manager salary in League 1 is £182K.
Meaning Lambert will be, undeservedly, earning more than this. |
A bit harsh considering he's doing 2 roles. He is also the Head of PR too  |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:46 - Apr 28 with 2174 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:37 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I don't think some of the wages of non playing staff seem out of the way - I'm not sure what people expect!
But the Championsip is in a perilous state, and has been for some time - that is where things will have to change long term which will filter down into L1 and L2 which are in ok health in reality (or those clubs with sensible owners are) |
I think player salary caps are virtually the only way forwards. Clubs will cut every other cost to the bare bones and look to extract every possible penny of revenue from fans before they think about cutting the wage bill (the largest cost clubs have by a distance).
It's understandable in some ways because the competitiveness/success of the team ultimately drives everything at the club but in reality it is an inverse race to the bottom. And clubs are going to end up out of business whether that is now or some point in the future if this continues. |  | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:49 - Apr 28 with 2163 views | itfcjoe |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:44 - Apr 28 by ElderGrizzly |
I know they might be extremes and more than likely from the parachute clubs, but nearly £300k for a fitness coach and nearly £200k for a physio?
Seems off kilter to me |
I don't know what they earn elsewhere but I'd presume a good physio with a private practice is earning 6 figures - these guys are effectively towards the very top of their profession, looking after multi million pound assets whilst generally working on fixed term contracts opposed to long term ones. | |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:51 - Apr 28 with 2156 views | itfcjoe |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:46 - Apr 28 by tractorboy1978 |
I think player salary caps are virtually the only way forwards. Clubs will cut every other cost to the bare bones and look to extract every possible penny of revenue from fans before they think about cutting the wage bill (the largest cost clubs have by a distance).
It's understandable in some ways because the competitiveness/success of the team ultimately drives everything at the club but in reality it is an inverse race to the bottom. And clubs are going to end up out of business whether that is now or some point in the future if this continues. |
But how do you get a salary cap for a league which includes teams like Sunderland and Ipswich who get 20,000 fans every week compared to Accrington who get 2,000?
If the answer is to link it to turnover, then that already exists in Leagues 1 and 2 | |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:56 - Apr 28 with 2132 views | Ftnfwest |
I assume bielsa must be the coach on £3.5m and if the overall average is £800k for championship coaches then it varies widely. Still, certain championship coaches had been on significantly more than that average for a number of years so I don’t doubt it. |  | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:02 - Apr 28 with 2091 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:51 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
But how do you get a salary cap for a league which includes teams like Sunderland and Ipswich who get 20,000 fans every week compared to Accrington who get 2,000?
If the answer is to link it to turnover, then that already exists in Leagues 1 and 2 |
As you said though, the Championship is where the change is drastically needed. FFP in the Championship is a joke as we all know. | | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:08 - Apr 28 with 2079 views | N2_Blue |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:49 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I don't know what they earn elsewhere but I'd presume a good physio with a private practice is earning 6 figures - these guys are effectively towards the very top of their profession, looking after multi million pound assets whilst generally working on fixed term contracts opposed to long term ones. |
I'd say you'd presume very wrong.
Some of these wages are ridiculous for physio's and kitmen etc. Its only because they are football clubs those kind of wages are being paid and therein lies the problem. Football is such a bonkers industry now..it needs to be changed fast, especially in the world we now live in.
Money is going to be in short supply for the next 5 years at least but whats the betting football refuses to change its way and pay ridiculous sums of money for wages, fees etc.
I've really not missed football that much since the lockdown. Money has destroyed the game and i think i'm more of a cricket fan now, the Ashes and various tournaments give me ore excitement than football does now. Football is not deserving of my hard-earned anymore for what i get from it. Such a shame as it makes me sad because I absolutely adored football domestically and internationally majority of my life |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:16 - Apr 28 with 2048 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:08 - Apr 28 by N2_Blue |
I'd say you'd presume very wrong.
Some of these wages are ridiculous for physio's and kitmen etc. Its only because they are football clubs those kind of wages are being paid and therein lies the problem. Football is such a bonkers industry now..it needs to be changed fast, especially in the world we now live in.
Money is going to be in short supply for the next 5 years at least but whats the betting football refuses to change its way and pay ridiculous sums of money for wages, fees etc.
I've really not missed football that much since the lockdown. Money has destroyed the game and i think i'm more of a cricket fan now, the Ashes and various tournaments give me ore excitement than football does now. Football is not deserving of my hard-earned anymore for what i get from it. Such a shame as it makes me sad because I absolutely adored football domestically and internationally majority of my life |
The averages aren't ridiculous, they are about right. | | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:21 - Apr 28 with 2016 views | N2_Blue |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:16 - Apr 28 by tractorboy1978 |
The averages aren't ridiculous, they are about right. |
I said 'some'. I'm not talking about the averages. Sorry if that wasn't clear | |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:22 - Apr 28 with 2016 views | Hullblue |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:08 - Apr 28 by N2_Blue |
I'd say you'd presume very wrong.
Some of these wages are ridiculous for physio's and kitmen etc. Its only because they are football clubs those kind of wages are being paid and therein lies the problem. Football is such a bonkers industry now..it needs to be changed fast, especially in the world we now live in.
Money is going to be in short supply for the next 5 years at least but whats the betting football refuses to change its way and pay ridiculous sums of money for wages, fees etc.
I've really not missed football that much since the lockdown. Money has destroyed the game and i think i'm more of a cricket fan now, the Ashes and various tournaments give me ore excitement than football does now. Football is not deserving of my hard-earned anymore for what i get from it. Such a shame as it makes me sad because I absolutely adored football domestically and internationally majority of my life |
Some of those player wages are insane - the non-playing staff's wages look about right to me.
I know from personal experience that physios can be extremely expensive. And given that the best ones are highly trained professionals, it makes sense.
50k is a lot for a kitman but I'm glad whoever that is is getting it. A lot of clubs take advantage of staff at the lower end, while risking everything on stretching their budget for highly paid players. |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 12:20 - Apr 28 with 1898 views | monytowbray |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 11:08 - Apr 28 by N2_Blue |
I'd say you'd presume very wrong.
Some of these wages are ridiculous for physio's and kitmen etc. Its only because they are football clubs those kind of wages are being paid and therein lies the problem. Football is such a bonkers industry now..it needs to be changed fast, especially in the world we now live in.
Money is going to be in short supply for the next 5 years at least but whats the betting football refuses to change its way and pay ridiculous sums of money for wages, fees etc.
I've really not missed football that much since the lockdown. Money has destroyed the game and i think i'm more of a cricket fan now, the Ashes and various tournaments give me ore excitement than football does now. Football is not deserving of my hard-earned anymore for what i get from it. Such a shame as it makes me sad because I absolutely adored football domestically and internationally majority of my life |
With you on not missing it. Outside of the social aspect I've not given much thought to football or ITFC at all. i imagine how crap we've been for 12 years hasn't helped.
I guess I was wrong all along, it is "only football" after all. |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 14:47 - Apr 28 with 1755 views | Chrisd |
Prime example why football needs a reset, financially it’s got way out of hand and it’s not sustainable. Even if teams make the EPL, which should be a club’s saving grace, the debt invariably rises even if they are well run. | |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 14:50 - Apr 28 with 1743 views | Chrisd |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:51 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
But how do you get a salary cap for a league which includes teams like Sunderland and Ipswich who get 20,000 fans every week compared to Accrington who get 2,000?
If the answer is to link it to turnover, then that already exists in Leagues 1 and 2 |
Perhaps that should be the way forward for all the leagues? Operate within your means. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 14:58]
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 15:49 - Apr 28 with 1653 views | Pablokuqi |
Do we think Lambert is the manager on £550000? Or perhaps we are one of the teams who did not respond. Based on those sports scientist posts advertised we are not big payers. Can't see our kitman on 50k. | | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 15:57 - Apr 28 with 1631 views | Herbivore |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:46 - Apr 28 by Swansea_Blue |
A bit harsh considering he's doing 2 roles. He is also the Head of PR too |
Yeah but what's his other role? |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 16:07 - Apr 28 with 1612 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:44 - Apr 28 by ElderGrizzly |
I know they might be extremes and more than likely from the parachute clubs, but nearly £300k for a fitness coach and nearly £200k for a physio?
Seems off kilter to me |
The amounts you quote are off kilter per the article aren’t they, i.e. they are the top amounts and significantly above the average? I only skimmed it. | | | |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 16:14 - Apr 28 with 1602 views | ArnieM |
I’ve been saying for years the game is morally and financially bankrupt on the back of
“false wealth “ supplied by Sky money and the sooner it goes “ bust” they better , then it can regroup and start over again . Oh it’ll be painful ( mostly for the greedy bastards creaming it off) but it’s coming . |  |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 16:27 - Apr 28 with 1582 views | ArnieM |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 10:37 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I don't think some of the wages of non playing staff seem out of the way - I'm not sure what people expect!
But the Championsip is in a perilous state, and has been for some time - that is where things will have to change long term which will filter down into L1 and L2 which are in ok health in reality (or those clubs with sensible owners are) |
“ not sure what people expect “? Really?? How about a living wage that sits in the middle strata of the average man in the street, like it used to be. Is that really too much to ask for?
Modern footballers live a life style that is so ridiculously detached from everyday life . They believe they are something “ special “ because of their income levels. There is an arrogance and attitude that goes with too which is none too pleasant to swallow. They ALL need bringing down off their ivory pedestals and to stop expecting society owes them something just because they can kick a bloody ball .
(I could name and shame a certain current “ idol “ for his arrogant, attitude towards the NHS right now , but this would clearly get someone into a lot of trouble locally . Suffice to say this player has greatly gone down in my estimation but his attitude to a certain recent situation for me personally just underlines the outlook many so called “ stars” in the game appear to have.)
Players have more money than they know what to do with and other than an ability to kick a ball have little between the ears . They are supposed to be role models to youngsters , yet time and again they fall short. A damming statement by me I know , and one that will undoubtedly upset a few on here . I love the game and have watched and followed it for years, but it doesn’t mean I have to like some of the individuals that pull the shirt on , for either ITFC it many other Clubs . | |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 16:29 - Apr 28 with 1577 views | itfcjoe |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 15:49 - Apr 28 by Pablokuqi |
Do we think Lambert is the manager on £550000? Or perhaps we are one of the teams who did not respond. Based on those sports scientist posts advertised we are not big payers. Can't see our kitman on 50k. |
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was in that ballpark, Mick was apparently on £1m a season so we do pay managers well here | |
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| Madness of finances in EFL on 16:37 - Apr 28 with 1557 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Madness of finances in EFL on 16:27 - Apr 28 by ArnieM |
“ not sure what people expect “? Really?? How about a living wage that sits in the middle strata of the average man in the street, like it used to be. Is that really too much to ask for?
Modern footballers live a life style that is so ridiculously detached from everyday life . They believe they are something “ special “ because of their income levels. There is an arrogance and attitude that goes with too which is none too pleasant to swallow. They ALL need bringing down off their ivory pedestals and to stop expecting society owes them something just because they can kick a bloody ball .
(I could name and shame a certain current “ idol “ for his arrogant, attitude towards the NHS right now , but this would clearly get someone into a lot of trouble locally . Suffice to say this player has greatly gone down in my estimation but his attitude to a certain recent situation for me personally just underlines the outlook many so called “ stars” in the game appear to have.)
Players have more money than they know what to do with and other than an ability to kick a ball have little between the ears . They are supposed to be role models to youngsters , yet time and again they fall short. A damming statement by me I know , and one that will undoubtedly upset a few on here . I love the game and have watched and followed it for years, but it doesn’t mean I have to like some of the individuals that pull the shirt on , for either ITFC it many other Clubs . |
Joe was talking about non-playing staff as highlighted in his post.
The rest of your post I am not even going to begin addressing. | | | |
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