| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide 11:16 - Nov 23 with 12492 views | monytowbray |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:39 - Nov 23 with 2221 views | StokieBlue |
I hadn't heard of XR Money Rebellion so quickly looked them up. It's an admirable goal but I have some reservations about their campaigning advice.
Whilst it's an admirable goal it's really not a good idea for them to tell people to stop paying their mortgages or to take our loans and not pay them back. That is simply going to lead to massive issues for the individuals and a lot less issues for the banks.
It's also not a great idea to encourage small businesses and individuals not to pay their taxes - it's simply illegal and they could end up in a lot of trouble.
So they certainly have some valid points but I don't think they can tackle them in the same way they did for XR last year. Perhaps I will be proven wrong and this will all work fine, nobody will get in trouble or have an impossible credit rating going forward and the banks will all change their ways as will the government in it's use of taxes.
Wouldn't it be better to get people to move their mortgages and to take out loans from some of the more ethical banks?
SB [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 11:41]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:42 - Nov 23 with 2209 views | Keno |
interesting
If I follow their advice and get evicted will they provide a home for me? [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 11:42]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:44 - Nov 23 with 2199 views | homer_123 |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:42 - Nov 23 by Keno |
interesting
If I follow their advice and get evicted will they provide a home for me? [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 11:42]
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Can you try it and let us know Keno? |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:48 - Nov 23 with 2191 views | SouperJim |
That's some proper Tyler Durden kit right there.  |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:50 - Nov 23 with 2185 views | tractordownsouth |
XR are rubbish at what they do. The point of activism is to bring undecided people over to your cause, and by doing things like this and blocking ambulances in the middle of London, they just alienate people. They do damage to the campaign for environmentalism. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:55 - Nov 23 with 2169 views | Keno |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:44 - Nov 23 by homer_123 |
Can you try it and let us know Keno? |
No cos its cold today | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:58 - Nov 23 with 2162 views | Ftnfwest |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:42 - Nov 23 by Keno |
interesting
If I follow their advice and get evicted will they provide a home for me? [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 11:42]
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out of twigs, yes! |  | | |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:36 - Nov 23 with 2121 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:50 - Nov 23 by tractordownsouth |
XR are rubbish at what they do. The point of activism is to bring undecided people over to your cause, and by doing things like this and blocking ambulances in the middle of London, they just alienate people. They do damage to the campaign for environmentalism. |
Can you give me an example of “soft” activism that has done that?
Protest is a form of civil disobedience so better to lean into that, rather than pretend this stuff gets changed via conventional politics and appeasing the majority. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:46 - Nov 23 with 2107 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:50 - Nov 23 by tractordownsouth |
XR are rubbish at what they do. The point of activism is to bring undecided people over to your cause, and by doing things like this and blocking ambulances in the middle of London, they just alienate people. They do damage to the campaign for environmentalism. |
XR don’t block ambulances. Stop sharing misinformation. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:47 - Nov 23 with 2103 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:36 - Nov 23 by Darth_Koont |
Can you give me an example of “soft” activism that has done that?
Protest is a form of civil disobedience so better to lean into that, rather than pretend this stuff gets changed via conventional politics and appeasing the majority. |
The system is broken and playing along with it won’t fix it.
The clue’s in the second word in the name really. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:49 - Nov 23 with 2095 views | Keno |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:47 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
The system is broken and playing along with it won’t fix it.
The clue’s in the second word in the name really. |
**ahem**
Can you answer my question please? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:50 - Nov 23 with 2094 views | bluelagos |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:50 - Nov 23 by tractordownsouth |
XR are rubbish at what they do. The point of activism is to bring undecided people over to your cause, and by doing things like this and blocking ambulances in the middle of London, they just alienate people. They do damage to the campaign for environmentalism. |
Yeah, cos our existing system is so open to environmentalists to influence law makers through the democratic system rather than big business who don't ever, ever influence politicians by say making political donations. |  |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:51 - Nov 23 with 2089 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:47 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
The system is broken and playing along with it won’t fix it.
The clue’s in the second word in the name really. |
Indeed. And I’m not saying that any other social or economic justice movement should wait either, but relying on a slow drift in opinion on the need for climate action isn’t enough. The last two decades have shown us that. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:55 - Nov 23 with 2077 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:49 - Nov 23 by Keno |
**ahem**
Can you answer my question please? |
It’s a pretty lazy question that doesn’t really acknowledge the point. I assumed it was banter. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:57 - Nov 23 with 2066 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:50 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
Yeah, cos our existing system is so open to environmentalists to influence law makers through the democratic system rather than big business who don't ever, ever influence politicians by say making political donations. |
The idea is taking back power, no one ever managed that without some form of struggle. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:58 - Nov 23 with 2057 views | Keno |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:55 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
It’s a pretty lazy question that doesn’t really acknowledge the point. I assumed it was banter. |
why is a lazy question?
I genuinely want to know what they would do if, having followed their advice, I am left homeless.
what provision have they made?
Surely if you suggesting people 'take action' it would be responsible to be prepared to help face the consequences of those actions? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:00 - Nov 23 with 2046 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 11:39 - Nov 23 by StokieBlue |
I hadn't heard of XR Money Rebellion so quickly looked them up. It's an admirable goal but I have some reservations about their campaigning advice.
Whilst it's an admirable goal it's really not a good idea for them to tell people to stop paying their mortgages or to take our loans and not pay them back. That is simply going to lead to massive issues for the individuals and a lot less issues for the banks.
It's also not a great idea to encourage small businesses and individuals not to pay their taxes - it's simply illegal and they could end up in a lot of trouble.
So they certainly have some valid points but I don't think they can tackle them in the same way they did for XR last year. Perhaps I will be proven wrong and this will all work fine, nobody will get in trouble or have an impossible credit rating going forward and the banks will all change their ways as will the government in it's use of taxes.
Wouldn't it be better to get people to move their mortgages and to take out loans from some of the more ethical banks?
SB [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 11:41]
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The risks are outlined in the information though. I just posted a top level awareness link, but for those who want to read deeper the info is out there, Google “Money Rebellion”.
If one person who had more money than you was going to Portman Road free and offsetting the ticket cost onto you you’d probably stop paying the extra. When you drill down it’s simply about fairness.
Also, add to that scenario said richer person also keeps selling your best players and slowly eroding the ability for the club to succeed.
But hang on, on second thought, that is Marcus Evans to a tee. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:02 - Nov 23 with 2036 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:58 - Nov 23 by Keno |
why is a lazy question?
I genuinely want to know what they would do if, having followed their advice, I am left homeless.
what provision have they made?
Surely if you suggesting people 'take action' it would be responsible to be prepared to help face the consequences of those actions? |
As I just replied to Stokie, the info is out there. The risks are outlined. It’s about how willing you are to take that risk to make a point. If enough do, power in numbers.
Create some debt, it’s good for the economy. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:02 - Nov 23 with 2033 views | Darth_Koont |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:58 - Nov 23 by Keno |
why is a lazy question?
I genuinely want to know what they would do if, having followed their advice, I am left homeless.
what provision have they made?
Surely if you suggesting people 'take action' it would be responsible to be prepared to help face the consequences of those actions? |
That would be people’s choice.
But I think you know that this is more about making a statement and getting banks and financial institutions to address this aspect of their business model. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:02 - Nov 23 with 2031 views | woiii |
Why aren't they telling people to stop buying goods made in China? That's where our carbon emissions have been exported to, plus the toll on the environment from container shipping to the UK alone is more than all the cars in the world.
It needs to be made socially unacceptable to buy anything made in china. It's a choice people actually have power over which directly benefits the planet. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:03]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:02 - Nov 23 with 2029 views | bluelagos |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 12:57 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
The idea is taking back power, no one ever managed that without some form of struggle. |
The problem is, as others have alluded to, that by individuals taking action - they are the ones who end up evicted and/or with credit ratings issues.
Am a big fan of XR - think they need to target the banks in others ways. Say buy a handful of shares and disrupt / picket AGMs? Or disrupt their HQs? | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:05 - Nov 23 with 2004 views | bluelagos |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:02 - Nov 23 by woiii |
Why aren't they telling people to stop buying goods made in China? That's where our carbon emissions have been exported to, plus the toll on the environment from container shipping to the UK alone is more than all the cars in the world.
It needs to be made socially unacceptable to buy anything made in china. It's a choice people actually have power over which directly benefits the planet. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:03]
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Would imagine that the issue of moving consumer goods, especially cr*p we don't ultimately need, is very much on their agenda.
XR are a very lose grouping of lots of groups so they will always have some less acceptable ideas coming forward. There is little central control - that is not how they are structured. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:06 - Nov 23 with 2000 views | StokieBlue |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:00 - Nov 23 by monytowbray |
The risks are outlined in the information though. I just posted a top level awareness link, but for those who want to read deeper the info is out there, Google “Money Rebellion”.
If one person who had more money than you was going to Portman Road free and offsetting the ticket cost onto you you’d probably stop paying the extra. When you drill down it’s simply about fairness.
Also, add to that scenario said richer person also keeps selling your best players and slowly eroding the ability for the club to succeed.
But hang on, on second thought, that is Marcus Evans to a tee. |
I did Google Money Rebellion and that's where I saw their list of stated aims before I posted - it wasn't a deep dive into their polices though I acknowledge.
I don't think any of that explains why it's not a better move to try and get people to move to more ethical banks with real green credentials? That takes custom away from the historic banks but doesn't end up with people in jail or homeless.
I actually think it's deeply irresponsible to ask people not to pay their mortgages. Not everyone is going to delve into all the risks and may think just missing one will be fine but it will affect their credit rating for a long time.
SB [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:13]
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:07 - Nov 23 with 1995 views | monytowbray |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:02 - Nov 23 by woiii |
Why aren't they telling people to stop buying goods made in China? That's where our carbon emissions have been exported to, plus the toll on the environment from container shipping to the UK alone is more than all the cars in the world.
It needs to be made socially unacceptable to buy anything made in china. It's a choice people actually have power over which directly benefits the planet. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:03]
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They do cover all that too.
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2020/03/01/what-about-china/
It’s all connected my friend. The banks are top of the pyramid. And the banks have made our consumer choices much harder from an ethical stand point.
But also yes, XR promote sustainable and ethical living means too. | |
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| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:07 - Nov 23 with 1994 views | bluelagos |
| XR and Money Rebellion to get banks to stop eco genocide on 13:06 - Nov 23 by StokieBlue |
I did Google Money Rebellion and that's where I saw their list of stated aims before I posted - it wasn't a deep dive into their polices though I acknowledge.
I don't think any of that explains why it's not a better move to try and get people to move to more ethical banks with real green credentials? That takes custom away from the historic banks but doesn't end up with people in jail or homeless.
I actually think it's deeply irresponsible to ask people not to pay their mortgages. Not everyone is going to delve into all the risks and may think just missing one will be fine but it will affect their credit rating for a long time.
SB [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:13]
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