| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? 09:54 - Jan 12 with 8736 views | Bobbychase |
What's with the (increasingly hysterical) Twitter pile-on against the EADT writers? It's gone from the occasional post to an obsessing over the fact that they are noting anniversaries like the Arsenal match, and demanding they only write about sacking Lambert.
I know it's a small group doing it, but it's increasingly irritating. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 09:56 - Jan 12 with 3937 views | StokieBlue |
They have a point though don't they?
Their job is to hold the club to account for performances and to not shirk away from the truth. They were doing that previously but seem to have backed off since Phil got banned.
Perhaps people are going to far on Twitter (I don't really go on there much) but the local journalists need to do better.
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 09:58 - Jan 12 with 3923 views | itfcjoe |
Empty vessels making the most noise.
I imagine they are getting very frustrated as they are the ones who have attempted to hold the club to account more often than not, and asked the tougher questions, and reported on everything
There has been a recent re-write of history, that because Phil has been banned it is because he was critical of the club and the manager and now they are scared to be so.
But yep, it's incredibly frustrating, especially when I am copied in to most of the tweets as seems to be the case. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:00 - Jan 12 with 3880 views | Bluefish |
Unfortunately Lambert won't go until all supporters are on board (we are about there now) the majority of our supporters have needed to be smacked round the head with evidence of how bad we are to come to the realisation of what he has done. The media have a big role to play in that, there is no doubt whatsoever that the media had a big role in keeping keane and Lambert too long and they had a role in Magilton and Mick going early.
Thinking supporters can make there own mind up is silly, we haven't suddenly become this bad. We have been this bad the whole time under Lambert but the positive praise has had our supporters merrily happy clapping along. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:01 - Jan 12 with 3869 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 09:56 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
They have a point though don't they?
Their job is to hold the club to account for performances and to not shirk away from the truth. They were doing that previously but seem to have backed off since Phil got banned.
Perhaps people are going to far on Twitter (I don't really go on there much) but the local journalists need to do better.
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They do hold the club to account don't they? They question the manager before and after games and produce, from what I can tell, a very honest assessment of the team's performances each week.
People who think they should only write stories about why Lambert should be sacked probably haven't taken into account that football writers have to have a relationship with the club even in the testing times. if you demand the manager is sacked every day why would the club even engage with you? Plus it would have no impact. There's a reason the EADT probably regret calling for Magilton to be sacked, which is a very rare thing for any newspaper to do.
In no other line of business would you deliberately antagonise someone you have to deal with on a regular basis. And anyway, from what I can see Watson and Warren have repeatedly said what a lot of fans say, that the style isn't working and the play is too ponderous.
It's just tedious now. One of the people badgering Watson actually tweeted that Barnsley winger and told him not to come here. But they're proper fans and the rest of us are happy clappers apparently. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:04 - Jan 12 with 3846 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 09:58 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
Empty vessels making the most noise.
I imagine they are getting very frustrated as they are the ones who have attempted to hold the club to account more often than not, and asked the tougher questions, and reported on everything
There has been a recent re-write of history, that because Phil has been banned it is because he was critical of the club and the manager and now they are scared to be so.
But yep, it's incredibly frustrating, especially when I am copied in to most of the tweets as seems to be the case. |
Phil was banned because of the team sheet leak wasn't he? And anyway, he had his run-ins with Keane and Mick and was never banned then.
It's almost like this group told the EADT writers to do something, got ignored, and has now taken huge offence. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:05 - Jan 12 with 3825 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:00 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
Unfortunately Lambert won't go until all supporters are on board (we are about there now) the majority of our supporters have needed to be smacked round the head with evidence of how bad we are to come to the realisation of what he has done. The media have a big role to play in that, there is no doubt whatsoever that the media had a big role in keeping keane and Lambert too long and they had a role in Magilton and Mick going early.
Thinking supporters can make there own mind up is silly, we haven't suddenly become this bad. We have been this bad the whole time under Lambert but the positive praise has had our supporters merrily happy clapping along. |
The supporters were desperate to get behind something. Supporting is about the thick AND the thin. I wouldn't belittle them for singing their hearts out and trying to raise their team. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:05 - Jan 12 with 3818 views | StokieBlue |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:01 - Jan 12 by Bobbychase |
They do hold the club to account don't they? They question the manager before and after games and produce, from what I can tell, a very honest assessment of the team's performances each week.
People who think they should only write stories about why Lambert should be sacked probably haven't taken into account that football writers have to have a relationship with the club even in the testing times. if you demand the manager is sacked every day why would the club even engage with you? Plus it would have no impact. There's a reason the EADT probably regret calling for Magilton to be sacked, which is a very rare thing for any newspaper to do.
In no other line of business would you deliberately antagonise someone you have to deal with on a regular basis. And anyway, from what I can see Watson and Warren have repeatedly said what a lot of fans say, that the style isn't working and the play is too ponderous.
It's just tedious now. One of the people badgering Watson actually tweeted that Barnsley winger and told him not to come here. But they're proper fans and the rest of us are happy clappers apparently. |
You don't have to read everything on Twitter. You certainly shouldn't let Twitter annoy you.
I said they probably went too far but writing articles on what Lambert needs to do to turn it round is bound to get a lot of flack in the current climate.
The points in this article are fair but they have been constant for months so writing about it now as though it's going to change isn't going to help much. The core issue is Lambert.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/ipswich-town-issues-for-paul-lambert-6
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:05 - Jan 12 with 3815 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:01 - Jan 12 by Bobbychase |
They do hold the club to account don't they? They question the manager before and after games and produce, from what I can tell, a very honest assessment of the team's performances each week.
People who think they should only write stories about why Lambert should be sacked probably haven't taken into account that football writers have to have a relationship with the club even in the testing times. if you demand the manager is sacked every day why would the club even engage with you? Plus it would have no impact. There's a reason the EADT probably regret calling for Magilton to be sacked, which is a very rare thing for any newspaper to do.
In no other line of business would you deliberately antagonise someone you have to deal with on a regular basis. And anyway, from what I can see Watson and Warren have repeatedly said what a lot of fans say, that the style isn't working and the play is too ponderous.
It's just tedious now. One of the people badgering Watson actually tweeted that Barnsley winger and told him not to come here. But they're proper fans and the rest of us are happy clappers apparently. |
They have given Evans an easy ride for years in most cases and certainly compared to how other clubs local media have treated their clubs owners when its gone horribly wrong. You see some local rags do an entire piece about their owner, where they cocked up when and where, exposing anything they can. They have sometimes said things like "it has to change". That's about as direct as they have been with Evans. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:06 - Jan 12 with 3804 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:00 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
Unfortunately Lambert won't go until all supporters are on board (we are about there now) the majority of our supporters have needed to be smacked round the head with evidence of how bad we are to come to the realisation of what he has done. The media have a big role to play in that, there is no doubt whatsoever that the media had a big role in keeping keane and Lambert too long and they had a role in Magilton and Mick going early.
Thinking supporters can make there own mind up is silly, we haven't suddenly become this bad. We have been this bad the whole time under Lambert but the positive praise has had our supporters merrily happy clapping along. |
Didn't at least one of the people leading the charge against the EADT play a role in Magilton getting sacked though? Or am I missing something subtle here. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:07 - Jan 12 with 3782 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:05 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
You don't have to read everything on Twitter. You certainly shouldn't let Twitter annoy you.
I said they probably went too far but writing articles on what Lambert needs to do to turn it round is bound to get a lot of flack in the current climate.
The points in this article are fair but they have been constant for months so writing about it now as though it's going to change isn't going to help much. The core issue is Lambert.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/ipswich-town-issues-for-paul-lambert-6
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I could just block them. But they'd still be carrying on their slightly obsessive behaviour. Someone needs to call them out.
It's more baffling than annoying. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:08 - Jan 12 with 3769 views | footers |
People being flouncy melts on platform for flouncy melts shocker. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:09 - Jan 12 with 3766 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:05 - Jan 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The supporters were desperate to get behind something. Supporting is about the thick AND the thin. I wouldn't belittle them for singing their hearts out and trying to raise their team. |
This is where have an issue though. I have continued to go and sing my heart out but singing for 90 minutes about the wrist manager in your history is bizarre. We hardly sung a single song for a player last season and even the songs for the team were vanishing. The crowd would watch the most abject performance possible and spend practically 90 minutes singing PL is a blue. It was utter tin pot nonsense and a stain on the club. The media should have done more to point out the obvious issues and they should now be doing more to put pressure on [Post edited 12 Jan 2021 10:12]
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:10 - Jan 12 with 3754 views | itfcjoe |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:04 - Jan 12 by Bobbychase |
Phil was banned because of the team sheet leak wasn't he? And anyway, he had his run-ins with Keane and Mick and was never banned then.
It's almost like this group told the EADT writers to do something, got ignored, and has now taken huge offence. |
Yep, but they now have decided Phil is a martyr who tried to stick it to the club and that the EADT don't. When in reality the EADT is the place that does opinion pieces from the journo which Phil doesn't bar the odd post on a message board that would need to be hunted out.
The posts are becoming increasingly angry and OTT, anything that doesn't just should Lambert out is seen as wrong. Do they not realise they have a paper to fill and it is possible to talk about other things.
We spoke about it a lot on this weeks Blue Monday, and hope we got the tone right, I listened to Kings of Anglia and they did - no-one with half a brain could have any doubt as to what the individual contributors to each podcasts views are, but no doubt that isn't enough for them either. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:10 - Jan 12 with 3767 views | RegencyBlue |
I don’t do Twitter so I haven’t seen the criticism they are getting.
My take on the EADT coverage, for what it’s worth, is that it does hold the managers to account more often than not but Evans has been given far too easy a ride in his time here. |  | | |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:11 - Jan 12 with 3734 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:09 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
This is where have an issue though. I have continued to go and sing my heart out but singing for 90 minutes about the wrist manager in your history is bizarre. We hardly sung a single song for a player last season and even the songs for the team were vanishing. The crowd would watch the most abject performance possible and spend practically 90 minutes singing PL is a blue. It was utter tin pot nonsense and a stain on the club. The media should have done more to point out the obvious issues and they should now be doing more to put pressure on [Post edited 12 Jan 2021 10:12]
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Evans has shown he is capable of ignoring the press before and he'll do it again.
The club has had a tonne of negative coverage - local and national - since this season started to go wrong, and have stuck with Lambert.
Season ticket renewal time will have more of an impact than an editorial in the EADT/Star ever could. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:11 - Jan 12 with 3730 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:06 - Jan 12 by Bobbychase |
Didn't at least one of the people leading the charge against the EADT play a role in Magilton getting sacked though? Or am I missing something subtle here. |
Yes and he led the charge against Mick as well. A truly terrible track record on the big events connected to ITFC | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:13 - Jan 12 with 3696 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:10 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
Yep, but they now have decided Phil is a martyr who tried to stick it to the club and that the EADT don't. When in reality the EADT is the place that does opinion pieces from the journo which Phil doesn't bar the odd post on a message board that would need to be hunted out.
The posts are becoming increasingly angry and OTT, anything that doesn't just should Lambert out is seen as wrong. Do they not realise they have a paper to fill and it is possible to talk about other things.
We spoke about it a lot on this weeks Blue Monday, and hope we got the tone right, I listened to Kings of Anglia and they did - no-one with half a brain could have any doubt as to what the individual contributors to each podcasts views are, but no doubt that isn't enough for them either. |
Spot on. I listen to KOA most weeks and they tell it how it is. And yet I see posts today about how the EADT is an extension of the ITFC PR Department, which is Trumplike gibberish.
They also want Evans gone but without suggesting who would buy a debt-ridden League One club in the middle of a pandemic. Anytime anyone asks them they just seem to shrug. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:14 - Jan 12 with 3689 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:09 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
This is where have an issue though. I have continued to go and sing my heart out but singing for 90 minutes about the wrist manager in your history is bizarre. We hardly sung a single song for a player last season and even the songs for the team were vanishing. The crowd would watch the most abject performance possible and spend practically 90 minutes singing PL is a blue. It was utter tin pot nonsense and a stain on the club. The media should have done more to point out the obvious issues and they should now be doing more to put pressure on [Post edited 12 Jan 2021 10:12]
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This is all just nonsense. No-one sang Lambert is a blue for 90 minutes and plenty of songs were sung about the team/players. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:15 - Jan 12 with 3672 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:11 - Jan 12 by Bluefish |
Yes and he led the charge against Mick as well. A truly terrible track record on the big events connected to ITFC |
Thought so. You'd keep quiet after that wouldn't you? I would. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:15 - Jan 12 with 3661 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:10 - Jan 12 by RegencyBlue |
I don’t do Twitter so I haven’t seen the criticism they are getting.
My take on the EADT coverage, for what it’s worth, is that it does hold the managers to account more often than not but Evans has been given far too easy a ride in his time here. |
Fair comment. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:16 - Jan 12 with 3648 views | Bluefish |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:14 - Jan 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is all just nonsense. No-one sang Lambert is a blue for 90 minutes and plenty of songs were sung about the team/players. |
Yes dear | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:17 - Jan 12 with 3653 views | SomethingBlue |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 09:56 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
They have a point though don't they?
Their job is to hold the club to account for performances and to not shirk away from the truth. They were doing that previously but seem to have backed off since Phil got banned.
Perhaps people are going to far on Twitter (I don't really go on there much) but the local journalists need to do better.
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They don't really have a point, the journalists in question do a good job and the list of articles Watson reproduced in response to one of the whingers was telling. People are frustrated but going after journalists is a coward's way to show it — just low hanging fruit, it's unfair and I'm sure exhausting. |  |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:19 - Jan 12 with 3600 views | StokieBlue |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:17 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue |
They don't really have a point, the journalists in question do a good job and the list of articles Watson reproduced in response to one of the whingers was telling. People are frustrated but going after journalists is a coward's way to show it — just low hanging fruit, it's unfair and I'm sure exhausting. |
Fair enough, I don't go on Twitter as I said but I did read his article and it could have been heavier on the manager. I know you work in the field though so would have a better grasp on the subject.
I don't doubt that Twitter has a share of people acting like idiots though.
One point I would make is that the only way that the club really gets to hear about the discontent is through the journalists, they don't scour Twitter looking at what people are saying.
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:20 - Jan 12 with 3594 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:17 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue |
They don't really have a point, the journalists in question do a good job and the list of articles Watson reproduced in response to one of the whingers was telling. People are frustrated but going after journalists is a coward's way to show it — just low hanging fruit, it's unfair and I'm sure exhausting. |
We're all frustrated. But I see little point in badgering the local media. One of the reasons Evans and Lambert can hunker down at the moment and ride out the storm is that we can't go to games. Without Covid keeping fans away I expect this season would have unfolded very differently. And nothing the EADT publishes is going to change that. | |
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| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:21 - Jan 12 with 3583 views | Bobbychase |
| Why the animosity for Watson/Warren etc? on 10:19 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough, I don't go on Twitter as I said but I did read his article and it could have been heavier on the manager. I know you work in the field though so would have a better grasp on the subject.
I don't doubt that Twitter has a share of people acting like idiots though.
One point I would make is that the only way that the club really gets to hear about the discontent is through the journalists, they don't scour Twitter looking at what people are saying.
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I'd imagine in these modern times that Insta mentions are probably more impactful on the players than anything in the press. Kids today. | |
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