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Paul Cook - positive and negative 17:20 - Mar 2 with 2386 viewsScottCandage

Based on a lot of interviews I've seen over the past couple of days (including a great video from Ross bringing together reporters from Cook's other teams), this is what I've gleaned:

The positives:

ATTRACTIVE FOOTBALL

Every person spoken to says that Cook's teams play attractive football. Well, we'll love that!

BEST MANAGER WE COULD GET RIGHT NOW

They all say that Cook is a Championship-level manager, and for us to get him while in League One is a coup for us. I tend to agree.

HE GETS TEAMS PROMOTED

Nuff said. Love it.

And now...the negatives...

PLAN A - 4-2-3-1. PERIOD.

This will be our formation. There will be no others.

THERE IS NO PLAN B

Even when Plan A is not working.

HE GETS PRICKLY WITH THE PRESS WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT PLAN A

So if we do hit a rough patch and, as is our wont, TWTD starts calling for 2 up front, we're gonna get a foxtrot oscar from Cook.

All in all?

I'm very happy, with a small wary look if things don't go well.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:25 - Mar 2 with 2051 viewsIllinoisblue

How do you know there’s no plan B?

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:25 - Mar 2 with 2052 viewsmonty_radio

So, if when questioned about his incoming assistant he declares that we're rubbish with two up-front, I have been warned.

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:26 - Mar 2 with 2051 viewsScottCandage

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:25 - Mar 2 by Illinoisblue

How do you know there’s no plan B?


Because reporters of his other teams, separately and without prompting, both said "There is no plan B."
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:29 - Mar 2 with 1988 viewsStokieBlue

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:26 - Mar 2 by ScottCandage

Because reporters of his other teams, separately and without prompting, both said "There is no plan B."


Don't you think it's best to wait and see how he manages us before declaring that you know everything about him, his management style and what is going to happen?

SB

Edit: Somehow I failed to read that you had gathered that from a number of various sources, apologies.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:30 - Mar 2 with 1975 viewsjayessess

No objection to 4-2-3-1 if it isn't a disjointed mess, played at the slowest footballing tempo known to man

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:31 - Mar 2 with 1969 viewsScottCandage

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:29 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue

Don't you think it's best to wait and see how he manages us before declaring that you know everything about him, his management style and what is going to happen?

SB

Edit: Somehow I failed to read that you had gathered that from a number of various sources, apologies.
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If he changes, all the better, IMHO. But, to me, as it seems right now, Paul has a plan that he has implemented in every job he's been in. If he doesn't implement that same plan now, that would be a change.

When a non-random event happens five times in a row, it's likely the sixth one will be the same.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:33 - Mar 2 with 1934 viewsScottCandage

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:30 - Mar 2 by jayessess

No objection to 4-2-3-1 if it isn't a disjointed mess, played at the slowest footballing tempo known to man


The cool thing is that every report I've seen says it's a very attractive style of playing a 4-2-3-1, not plodding and disjointed as we've seen it done for quite a while now.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:34 - Mar 2 with 1900 viewsunstableblue

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:29 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue

Don't you think it's best to wait and see how he manages us before declaring that you know everything about him, his management style and what is going to happen?

SB

Edit: Somehow I failed to read that you had gathered that from a number of various sources, apologies.
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To be fair to Scott this is a common observation from fans and journalists, so quite valid to raise the Plan A and Plan B debate

But to counter, here's a whole article where Cook discusses his ability to have a Plan B and when to use it!!:

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/cook-man-plan-or-b-1077580

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:35 - Mar 2 with 1899 viewsGarv

It's funny. As technical and tactical football is these days it always come down to such simple things as one up front and possession based football or two up front and being more direct. Patient build up or 'get it forward'

Whether you're for or against either side of the argument, it often amuses me.

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:36 - Mar 2 with 1878 viewspointofblue

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:29 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue

Don't you think it's best to wait and see how he manages us before declaring that you know everything about him, his management style and what is going to happen?

SB

Edit: Somehow I failed to read that you had gathered that from a number of various sources, apologies.
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To be fair at think former fan bases have a good grasp of former managers. I’ve seen Portsmouth and Wigan fans both say a lack of a Plan B is an issue so therefore one we might have to accept.

Admittedly maybe he has learned and that will be great to see if so. Certainly I don’t think we could have appointed anyone more proven to get results at this level.

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:37 - Mar 2 with 1876 viewsScottCandage

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:34 - Mar 2 by unstableblue

To be fair to Scott this is a common observation from fans and journalists, so quite valid to raise the Plan A and Plan B debate

But to counter, here's a whole article where Cook discusses his ability to have a Plan B and when to use it!!:

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/cook-man-plan-or-b-1077580


Thanks. This article is encouraging (although maybe a natural reaction to claims that there is no Plan B, you're not going to say, Nope, no plan B), but darned if he didn't use the dreaded phrase! Somebody's got to get to him to get that phrase out of his vocabulary! LOL
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:37 - Mar 2 with 1871 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:29 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue

Don't you think it's best to wait and see how he manages us before declaring that you know everything about him, his management style and what is going to happen?

SB

Edit: Somehow I failed to read that you had gathered that from a number of various sources, apologies.
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To be fair on Candage he does seem to be making it very clear he is reporting what he has heard/read elsewhere.

I would like him to have some flexibility but if his system works so well, he doesn't need it even better.

As you say, let's give him a chance and see how it goes but Candage was only reporting what he has heard.

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:37 - Mar 2 with 1854 viewsBlueBadger

In all fairness, 'no plan B' is quite the upgrade on 'no plan A to start with' that we've been watching.

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:42 - Mar 2 with 1789 viewsStokieBlue

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:31 - Mar 2 by ScottCandage

If he changes, all the better, IMHO. But, to me, as it seems right now, Paul has a plan that he has implemented in every job he's been in. If he doesn't implement that same plan now, that would be a change.

When a non-random event happens five times in a row, it's likely the sixth one will be the same.


Fair enough.

We will know soon enough, just whilst you can look at as many previous articles as possible it still doesn't always translate to what is going to happen at a new club.

For instance, there may have been no plan B at other clubs because he simply didn't have the ridiculously large squad he has here. We won't fully know until plan A doesn't work at some point.

As you say, plan A seems fairly fixed as a 4231.

SB
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:45 - Mar 2 with 1765 viewsTimefliesbyintheblue

Managers dislike talking tactics as they do seem to cause confusion. There are basically only two formations. 442 which turns into 4411 when you are defending and 352 with three centrebacks and wingbacks. How you deploy these is another matter. For example 442 is sometimes described as 4222 meaning that two of the midfield players are more defensive. The expression of 'two up top' is just another piece of modern jargon picked up from watching TV!
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:55 - Mar 2 with 1670 viewsRadlett_blue

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:26 - Mar 2 by ScottCandage

Because reporters of his other teams, separately and without prompting, both said "There is no plan B."


So Kayden Jackson can start packing his bags, then.

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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:58 - Mar 2 with 1634 viewsWD19

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:26 - Mar 2 by ScottCandage

Because reporters of his other teams, separately and without prompting, both said "There is no plan B."


Call me old fashioned, but I am happy enough to stick with the Plan A of winning, attractive football.
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On another note on 17:58 - Mar 2 with 1636 viewsScottCandage

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:55 - Mar 2 by Radlett_blue

So Kayden Jackson can start packing his bags, then.


A few times it was mentioned that Norwood is just the type of striker PC loves and they could see him go on a vein of scoring.
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On another note on 18:00 - Mar 2 with 1612 viewsRadlett_blue

On another note on 17:58 - Mar 2 by ScottCandage

A few times it was mentioned that Norwood is just the type of striker PC loves and they could see him go on a vein of scoring.


He will score or create more goals if we start getting more players up to support him.

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I'm hoping... on 18:04 - Mar 2 with 1580 viewsScottCandage

On another note on 18:00 - Mar 2 by Radlett_blue

He will score or create more goals if we start getting more players up to support him.


...that PC's version of 4-2-3-1 is the one that has the links between defense/midfield and most importantly, midfield/attack that we've seemed to lack for years.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:11 - Mar 2 with 1494 viewsMrTown

He doesn’t get prickly, or very very rare.

He’s definitely seen as a real gent, top class manager, but most Wigan fans state he’s a top class bloke as well.


There isn’t any negatives, don’t try and make any.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:33 - Mar 2 with 1321 viewsDarth_Koont

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 17:37 - Mar 2 by ScottCandage

Thanks. This article is encouraging (although maybe a natural reaction to claims that there is no Plan B, you're not going to say, Nope, no plan B), but darned if he didn't use the dreaded phrase! Somebody's got to get to him to get that phrase out of his vocabulary! LOL


Not having a go at you because you’re just reporting it. But isn’t the “no plan B” line often lazily trotted out by fans and journalists for almost every manager when things aren’t going well or just after a loss?

It was aimed at Mick as if he was wedded to long ball and 442 but over the six years we played a wide variety of styles and formations. Sometimes in the same game. The ethos of working hard, and not fannying about at the back but attacking quickly was always there. But that seems more like getting the basics right below the Premiership rather than a specific plan or set-up.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:34 - Mar 2 with 1297 viewsSpruceMoose

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:11 - Mar 2 by MrTown

He doesn’t get prickly, or very very rare.

He’s definitely seen as a real gent, top class manager, but most Wigan fans state he’s a top class bloke as well.


There isn’t any negatives, don’t try and make any.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:40 - Mar 2 with 1231 viewsBlueBadger

Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:11 - Mar 2 by MrTown

He doesn’t get prickly, or very very rare.

He’s definitely seen as a real gent, top class manager, but most Wigan fans state he’s a top class bloke as well.


There isn’t any negatives, don’t try and make any.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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Paul Cook - positive and negative on 18:48 - Mar 2 with 1145 viewsPhilTWTD

Speaking to the press here on Thursday, incidentally.
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