| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this 15:49 - May 24 with 4148 views | StokieBlue |
The US has revealed intelligence showing that 3 people working at the virus lab in Wuhan were hospitalised with C19 symptoms in November 2019.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/24/wuhan-lab-staff-reportedly-sought-ho
Not sure this helps:
A spokesman at the virology lab said in response to request for a comment from The Telegraph: "Is there any necessary connection? It's also very normal for people to go to the hospital."
Is it that normal from 3 people from a virology lab to all be hospitalised at the same time? I suspect it probably isn't that normal.
This is a pretty heavy statement from Fauci as well:
The report comes as Dr Anthony Fauci, who has led the US Covid response, says he is "not convinced" that the virus developed naturally.
Whether it's got any validity or not is going to be irrelevant, the people who want it to be true will be all over this regardless of any final evidence which is found.
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:51 - May 24 with 2925 views | Ewan_Oozami |
WW3 before the summer's out I reckon.... |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:51 - May 24 with 2915 views | 26_Paz |
Do we know what they were hospitalised for? Was it Covid like symptoms?
Edit - apologies just seen it is ... can that be a coincidence?! [Post edited 24 May 2021 15:52]
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:54 - May 24 with 2871 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Not much we can do about it now.
Keep vaccinating and keep being sensible! |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:55 - May 24 with 2883 views | DanTheMan |
Crikey, that'd be some revelation. |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:57 - May 24 with 2840 views | SpruceMoose |
Oh cool! Now watch as the already rising hate crime rate against Asians over here goes through the roof in red states. |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:57 - May 24 with 2811 views | chicoazul |
But….but….but…… |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:00 - May 24 with 2786 views | footers |
Isn't Fauci pretty level-headed or am I misremembering? Or maybe he just looked that way compared to Trump. But that's a very strong thing to imply, isn't it? |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:01 - May 24 with 2769 views | StokieBlue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 15:57 - May 24 by SpruceMoose |
Oh cool! Now watch as the already rising hate crime rate against Asians over here goes through the roof in red states. |
That is obviously horrible given it's nothing to do with them but it is right to put the information out there to be analysed isn't it?
I do understand your point though that some people aren't likely to wait for the facts and evidence before making their judgements.
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:02 - May 24 with 2740 views | StokieBlue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:00 - May 24 by footers |
Isn't Fauci pretty level-headed or am I misremembering? Or maybe he just looked that way compared to Trump. But that's a very strong thing to imply, isn't it? |
He's very level-headed and has been trusted by numerous presidents.
That is why it's a pretty big deal to say that, especially coupled with the revelation that 3 workers at the Wuhan virology lab were hospitalised with C19 symptoms in November.
He's either very sure or he's made a very big mistake saying something like that.
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:03 - May 24 with 2722 views | SpruceMoose |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:01 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
That is obviously horrible given it's nothing to do with them but it is right to put the information out there to be analysed isn't it?
I do understand your point though that some people aren't likely to wait for the facts and evidence before making their judgements.
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Completely, it's just frightening to think what the knuckledraggers will do with it. This will just convince them that they, and Trump, were right all along to be targeting Asian people (as a whole) for being responsible for the last year and a half. [Post edited 24 May 2021 16:04]
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:04 - May 24 with 2703 views | J2BLUE |
If that's confirmed, what can we do about it? Realistically. |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:05 - May 24 with 2695 views | footers |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:02 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
He's very level-headed and has been trusted by numerous presidents.
That is why it's a pretty big deal to say that, especially coupled with the revelation that 3 workers at the Wuhan virology lab were hospitalised with C19 symptoms in November.
He's either very sure or he's made a very big mistake saying something like that.
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I know nothing about this sort of thing so please excuse my stupidity, Stokie. But do labs often manufacture viruses that aren't for use in biological warfare? Or could it be something benign, for medical research perhaps, that's just got loose somehow? | |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:05 - May 24 with 2675 views | SpruceMoose |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:04 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
If that's confirmed, what can we do about it? Realistically. |
Nowt I suppose, other than try to stand up for the people who will inevitably be subjected to harassment over it. | |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:10 - May 24 with 2602 views | StokieBlue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:05 - May 24 by footers |
I know nothing about this sort of thing so please excuse my stupidity, Stokie. But do labs often manufacture viruses that aren't for use in biological warfare? Or could it be something benign, for medical research perhaps, that's just got loose somehow? |
I wouldn't say it would be for biological warfare, it's simply not "mean" enough. What advanced countries already have knocks the socks of C19 if you actually want to kill people.
This is pure speculation but if they were messing about with it I would assume it was purely for research purposes and they just had extremely lax controls and it somehow infected some of the lab workers.
Let's be clear though, that is total speculation.
If that was the case then the issue is around controls and safety but I doubt the other countries of the world are going to be too concerned about the how's and why's given the deaths and total closure of their economies.
China obviously can't confirm it now either even if it was true after spending 1.5 years saying it definitely wasn't the case.
The WSJ better be right about this because it's going to cause some pretty big issues.
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:14 - May 24 with 2551 views | StokieBlue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:04 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
If that's confirmed, what can we do about it? Realistically. |
I suspect it's just about the only thing that would get a large block of Western countries to impose some hefty sanctions.
If it's true (big IF) then it means China knew all about this from at least last November, they knew the origin and they knew the cause yet they said nothing. They could have given the world the genetic code in November 2019 and the first wave could have been severely stunted and there would have been virtually no second wave as everyone would have been vaccinated.
I'm pretty worried about this. The WSJ need to be right about this because it's a huge thing to be printing if they aren't sure. It's debatable whether printing it actually helps although some might say that it's about time the world turned it's eyes to a state like China instead of ignoring the issues.
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:14 - May 24 with 2538 views | bluelagos |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:04 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
If that's confirmed, what can we do about it? Realistically. |
Knock up a quick invoice and send them the bill?
Tell them to sit in the corner and think about the consequences of their actions?
Maybe someone has a sensible suggestion? |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:17 - May 24 with 2511 views | footers |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:10 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
I wouldn't say it would be for biological warfare, it's simply not "mean" enough. What advanced countries already have knocks the socks of C19 if you actually want to kill people.
This is pure speculation but if they were messing about with it I would assume it was purely for research purposes and they just had extremely lax controls and it somehow infected some of the lab workers.
Let's be clear though, that is total speculation.
If that was the case then the issue is around controls and safety but I doubt the other countries of the world are going to be too concerned about the how's and why's given the deaths and total closure of their economies.
China obviously can't confirm it now either even if it was true after spending 1.5 years saying it definitely wasn't the case.
The WSJ better be right about this because it's going to cause some pretty big issues.
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Yeah, I wouldn't have said the intention would be to kill necessarily, more along the lines of the low-level hacking of transport networks to slow economies in a gradual, subtle way which I believe has happened before. More disruption than death, and obviously we've had a year or more of that.
I'll save my tinfoil hat for when things become clearer though! | |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:18 - May 24 with 2505 views | StokieBlue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:17 - May 24 by footers |
Yeah, I wouldn't have said the intention would be to kill necessarily, more along the lines of the low-level hacking of transport networks to slow economies in a gradual, subtle way which I believe has happened before. More disruption than death, and obviously we've had a year or more of that.
I'll save my tinfoil hat for when things become clearer though! |
Indeed, it's simply not clear and obviously China have denied it (although in that case I am not sure where the quote in the Telegraph article comes from).
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:19 - May 24 with 2504 views | bluelagos |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:14 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
I suspect it's just about the only thing that would get a large block of Western countries to impose some hefty sanctions.
If it's true (big IF) then it means China knew all about this from at least last November, they knew the origin and they knew the cause yet they said nothing. They could have given the world the genetic code in November 2019 and the first wave could have been severely stunted and there would have been virtually no second wave as everyone would have been vaccinated.
I'm pretty worried about this. The WSJ need to be right about this because it's a huge thing to be printing if they aren't sure. It's debatable whether printing it actually helps although some might say that it's about time the world turned it's eyes to a state like China instead of ignoring the issues.
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"If it's true (big IF) then it means China knew all about this from at least last November, they knew the origin and they knew the cause yet they said nothing."
Afternoon SB.
Not read the article (Telegraph is pay-walled) but in your OP it states that 3 people were hospitalised. That in itself is a long way from the comment above. Are there detailed bits in the article that support the comment above? | |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:20 - May 24 with 2470 views | SpruceMoose |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:18 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
Indeed, it's simply not clear and obviously China have denied it (although in that case I am not sure where the quote in the Telegraph article comes from).
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Another article here. Foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian quoted:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/china-rejects-report-of-sick-staff | |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:22 - May 24 with 2460 views | factual_blue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:05 - May 24 by SpruceMoose |
Nowt I suppose, other than try to stand up for the people who will inevitably be subjected to harassment over it. |
It's only a matter of time before 'the Indian variant' leads to trouble... |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:24 - May 24 with 2428 views | SpruceMoose |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:22 - May 24 by factual_blue |
It's only a matter of time before 'the Indian variant' leads to trouble... |
Seeing as the unwashed yokels out in the heartland are so hesitant to get vaccinated and keep passing Covid around amongst themselves, expect the arrival of the Redneck Variant any day now. | |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:25 - May 24 with 2424 views | StokieBlue |
| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:19 - May 24 by bluelagos |
"If it's true (big IF) then it means China knew all about this from at least last November, they knew the origin and they knew the cause yet they said nothing."
Afternoon SB.
Not read the article (Telegraph is pay-walled) but in your OP it states that 3 people were hospitalised. That in itself is a long way from the comment above. Are there detailed bits in the article that support the comment above? |
Afternoon.
Not sure why it's not paywalled for me, I don't subscribe. You can find the information from loads of sources on the web now though.
Well the WSJ states that 3 people were hospitalised from that lab in November 2019 with C19 like systems. You are right though, it could be seen as a leap, I could tone down that paragraph a touch.
However, it's highly unusual for 3 people from one workplace to be hospitalised at the same time with the same symptoms. It's even more unusual for that workplace to be somewhere that specialises in bat virus research and for the symptoms to be the same as those that then sweep the world from a bat virus 3 months later.
None of it is evidence, I think I made that clear previously and didn't caveat the paragraph you cited but I don't think it's going to stop a lot of people forming some opinions and Spruce rightly highlighted the dangers of that.
I think the Fauci comment is actually quite important coming from someone like him. I also think it's not especially helpful at the moment.
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:28 - May 24 with 2404 views | clive_baker |
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't it widely accepted that the Covid variant was rampant from as early as November 2019 (there was a case in France). And given the spread in Wuhan, is it surprising that 3 members of the virus lab had symptoms? I don't get why that suggests it started there, rather than the market? |  |
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| Social media is going to go into overdrive about this on 16:29 - May 24 with 2370 views | StokieBlue |
Yep, he made the same statement in the Telegraph article. In that article there is also this statement.
A spokesman at the virology lab said in response to request for a comment from The Telegraph: "Is there any necessary connection? It's also very normal for people to go to the hospital."
Which is pretty different from denying anyone went to the hospital (and in fact implies they did). I hope the spokesman is OK.
It's a mess now. It's out there and people will go crazy.
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