| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners 12:10 - Jun 19 with 3479 views | thebooks |
The Alan Lee interview confirmed a few things to me...
Football fans are generally too respectful and deferential to club owners, billionaire media moguls etc. I’m not sure this is especially true of Town — although I suspect it is.
Whatever some of the Alan Lee article commenters claim, until the end of the Lambert days you still got people on here trotting out the “I don’t see you putting in £6m of your own money every year” line, as if the process of gutting out the club, not installing an infrastructure and letting talented staff go was beyond reproach simply because the owner put enough money in to keep the lights on.
Managers often serve as fall guys. Obviously, McCarthy’s relationship with the fans had deteriorated to the point that he had to leave, but, my God!, what he had to deal with from Evans. Doesn’t the article make you think how we gave him a raw deal simply because we accepted whatever the owner provided him with (although MM never complained about it either).
Fans will always blather on about playing the “proper” way and getting a tactically astute, young, up and coming manager in. It’s meaningless. It’s also laughable that Evans was able to get away with trotting this nonsense out, hiring Paul Hurst and have us clap the team off when we got relegated.
I guess what I’m saying (as a season ticket holder with my son) is that in fact fans aren’t blameless. When you’re happy simply deferring to rich owners without demanding anything you can end up with the mess of what we have at Ipswich. |  | | |  |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:15 - Jun 19 with 3413 views | pointofblue |
The thing is Mick was happy to be the fall guy for Evans. If he came out with a broadside at Evans I think most fans would have supported him - though I guess broadsiding Evans would have meant indirectly criticising the quality of the playing squad, which he never would have done. |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:18 - Jun 19 with 3385 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
We need to move on from bickering about previous managers and previous owners. |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:29 - Jun 19 with 3331 views | bobbyramsey |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:18 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We need to move on from bickering about previous managers and previous owners. |
Indeed. We now have new owners and a new manager to bicker about ;) |  | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:47 - Jun 19 with 3264 views | HARRY10 |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:18 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We need to move on from bickering about previous managers and previous owners. |
Given the wreckage Evans left behind, it is not such a bad idea that we ask how it was so many delude themselves about what was happening - and would countenance NO criticism of Evans.
If only that we do not make the same mistake, again. | | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:26 - Jun 19 with 3074 views | RegencyBlue |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:47 - Jun 19 by HARRY10 |
Given the wreckage Evans left behind, it is not such a bad idea that we ask how it was so many delude themselves about what was happening - and would countenance NO criticism of Evans.
If only that we do not make the same mistake, again. |
Quite!
What I find absolutely incredible is that there are still some who are trying to defend Evans. Apparently the state we are in is because the fans forced Evans to sack MM and appoint Hurst instead!
I do wonder just how much further the Club would have had to fall before some people would have seen the writing on the wall. |  | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:59 - Jun 19 with 3006 views | Illinoisblue |
Presumably you were organizing protests against Evans these last few years? |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 15:14 - Jun 19 with 2964 views | HARRY10 |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:59 - Jun 19 by Illinoisblue |
Presumably you were organizing protests against Evans these last few years? |
Because someone was not 'organising protests against Evans' it does not mean their criticisms were not valid.
And you have conveniently missed the point, which is that a fair number on here refused to engage at all - "because the owner put enough money in to keep the lights on ". | | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 15:23 - Jun 19 with 2947 views | thebooks |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:59 - Jun 19 by Illinoisblue |
Presumably you were organizing protests against Evans these last few years? |
No. Can you imagine the response on here if anyone ever tried to organise any form of protest (the last few months excepted, maybe)? | | | |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 15:26 - Jun 19 with 2930 views | J2BLUE |
It still stuns me that people were arguing against the takeover and in favour of Evans. |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 17:23 - Jun 19 with 2808 views | BlueBadger |
After hearing what Lee had to say about Mick essentially having to run everything just so that he could have a vaguely functional first team, I think several fans owe him at least a 'well, that explains why he was grumpy at times' if not an apology. |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 21:53 - Jun 19 with 2654 views | Illinoisblue |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 15:14 - Jun 19 by HARRY10 |
Because someone was not 'organising protests against Evans' it does not mean their criticisms were not valid.
And you have conveniently missed the point, which is that a fair number on here refused to engage at all - "because the owner put enough money in to keep the lights on ". |
My point was more about the fact that we see a lot of posts on here slagging off “the fans” (as if they’re one unified group) yet nobody seemingly willing to step up. | |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:34 - Jun 20 with 2558 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
What should we have done, a TWTD whip-round for a hit man?
Also, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Also, also - the people who thought Evans could do no wrong are such a tiny number they're probably not worth starting a thread about. |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:42 - Jun 20 with 2550 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:34 - Jun 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What should we have done, a TWTD whip-round for a hit man?
Also, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Also, also - the people who thought Evans could do no wrong are such a tiny number they're probably not worth starting a thread about. |
Vast majority of fans were
- grateful Evans was funding to the extend he did
- recognised the deficiencies in his decision making
- didn’t appreciate the full extent of the issues; only coming out now
Hindsight is a wonderful thing; and there wasn’t necessarily a huge queue of investors willing to takeover, so little fans could really do anyway apart from make a noise | |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 07:26 - Jun 20 with 2440 views | OwainG1992 |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:42 - Jun 20 by BlueyandCrazy |
Vast majority of fans were
- grateful Evans was funding to the extend he did
- recognised the deficiencies in his decision making
- didn’t appreciate the full extent of the issues; only coming out now
Hindsight is a wonderful thing; and there wasn’t necessarily a huge queue of investors willing to takeover, so little fans could really do anyway apart from make a noise |
I simply think Alan Lee has opened a lot of eyes including my own.
I've been delighted for the Evans era to be over but didn't even realise how bad things were.
Poor old Mick for what he put up with!
That being said some of the results and poor performances wouldn't have been tolerated at well run sides.
At the same time would those sides have given him more funding etc.
Funny old game. |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 08:13 - Jun 20 with 2388 views | dickie |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:42 - Jun 20 by BlueyandCrazy |
Vast majority of fans were
- grateful Evans was funding to the extend he did
- recognised the deficiencies in his decision making
- didn’t appreciate the full extent of the issues; only coming out now
Hindsight is a wonderful thing; and there wasn’t necessarily a huge queue of investors willing to takeover, so little fans could really do anyway apart from make a noise |
Agreed. And we weren't aware of possible interest from buyers. From the outside (to us fans) ITFC didn't look a particularly good investment with that much debt owed to Evans and with him keeping the club afloat with the reported 6 million a year. I was grateful to Evans due to despondency in thinking that there was no likely alternative investment coming (or very little chance of it) | | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 08:36 - Jun 20 with 2337 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:42 - Jun 20 by BlueyandCrazy |
Vast majority of fans were
- grateful Evans was funding to the extend he did
- recognised the deficiencies in his decision making
- didn’t appreciate the full extent of the issues; only coming out now
Hindsight is a wonderful thing; and there wasn’t necessarily a huge queue of investors willing to takeover, so little fans could really do anyway apart from make a noise |
Spot on. | |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 08:43 - Jun 20 with 2317 views | Churchman |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 00:42 - Jun 20 by BlueyandCrazy |
Vast majority of fans were
- grateful Evans was funding to the extend he did
- recognised the deficiencies in his decision making
- didn’t appreciate the full extent of the issues; only coming out now
Hindsight is a wonderful thing; and there wasn’t necessarily a huge queue of investors willing to takeover, so little fans could really do anyway apart from make a noise |
I was never grateful to Evans in any shape or form after Keane was appointed and dismally failed. It was obvious ME was after a quick buck and pretty clueless. It was strange from the off.
The appointment of Jewell reinforced the deficiencies of his decision making, though tbh, appointing MM raised hopes at the time. I was never comfortable with Evans and his faceless approach. Or idiots like rabbit in headlights Clegg.The club didn’t feel right; it didn’t feel a happy place. All subjective, but that’s how it felt.
Nobody knew the full extent of the issues apart from people in the club. As a cynic even I’m shocked at just how bad it’s been.
There may not have been a queue willing to take the club over, but it was an attractive enough proposition I believe, and somebody would have. Despite the bankruptcy in football only one league club has actually gone in recent years.
With regard to MM, yes he endured incompetence beyond belief and defied gravity. But he chose to do that so my sympathy is limited. He was here five and a half years and his time really was up regardless, in my view. Could he have done more than just focus on the first team? I don’t know. Only he can answer that and I’d be interested to hear his views on this and the club in general.
As for the supporters, they pay to watch and follow the club. They are the club and there’s nothing without them. Each and every one has a right to express a view. Given what little info is available, it’s bound to be wrong sometimes, but that right is always there. Besides, it’s fun! |  | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 08:52 - Jun 20 with 2290 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 08:43 - Jun 20 by Churchman |
I was never grateful to Evans in any shape or form after Keane was appointed and dismally failed. It was obvious ME was after a quick buck and pretty clueless. It was strange from the off.
The appointment of Jewell reinforced the deficiencies of his decision making, though tbh, appointing MM raised hopes at the time. I was never comfortable with Evans and his faceless approach. Or idiots like rabbit in headlights Clegg.The club didn’t feel right; it didn’t feel a happy place. All subjective, but that’s how it felt.
Nobody knew the full extent of the issues apart from people in the club. As a cynic even I’m shocked at just how bad it’s been.
There may not have been a queue willing to take the club over, but it was an attractive enough proposition I believe, and somebody would have. Despite the bankruptcy in football only one league club has actually gone in recent years.
With regard to MM, yes he endured incompetence beyond belief and defied gravity. But he chose to do that so my sympathy is limited. He was here five and a half years and his time really was up regardless, in my view. Could he have done more than just focus on the first team? I don’t know. Only he can answer that and I’d be interested to hear his views on this and the club in general.
As for the supporters, they pay to watch and follow the club. They are the club and there’s nothing without them. Each and every one has a right to express a view. Given what little info is available, it’s bound to be wrong sometimes, but that right is always there. Besides, it’s fun! |
Sheppy out! |  |
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| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 11:11 - Jun 20 with 2172 views | patrickswell |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:59 - Jun 19 by Illinoisblue |
Presumably you were organizing protests against Evans these last few years? |
I have a memory of seeing someone post on here about having to mentally restrain themselves from walking over and punching someone who was part of one of the small Blue Action protests that took place during 19-20. Even then, there were people prepared to spill someone else’s blood in defence of the old regime. |  | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 13:34 - Jun 20 with 2092 views | vanmunt |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:15 - Jun 19 by pointofblue |
The thing is Mick was happy to be the fall guy for Evans. If he came out with a broadside at Evans I think most fans would have supported him - though I guess broadsiding Evans would have meant indirectly criticising the quality of the playing squad, which he never would have done. |
Did Paul Lambert the world of good when he said a few home truths before the sack. I do in some strange way feel quite sorry for Mick, no wonder he lost the plot with all the stuff he was putting up with. |  | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:36 - Jun 20 with 2046 views | istanblue |
Literally been saying this for years. The happy-clappers (or fake fans as I call them) have to be held responsible for their inertia and apologism for the Evans regime. Whenever I pointed out the (what should be obvious) faults in what was going on at ITFC, the low IQ response was always something like ''He puts in 7m a year'', ''Evans has saved us from becoming a Bolton/Bury type club'', ''What other owner would possibly want to take us over?'' etc. Facile arguments from fake fans who should be ridiculed and mocked for their stupidity and defeatism. |  | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:37 - Jun 20 with 2040 views | istanblue |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 12:47 - Jun 19 by HARRY10 |
Given the wreckage Evans left behind, it is not such a bad idea that we ask how it was so many delude themselves about what was happening - and would countenance NO criticism of Evans.
If only that we do not make the same mistake, again. |
Strange one from you mate, considering the Gamechanger takeover was all ''twitter bollox'' | | | |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:54 - Jun 20 with 2020 views | Strimmer |
| Town fans are are way too respectful and deferential to club owners on 14:36 - Jun 20 by istanblue |
Literally been saying this for years. The happy-clappers (or fake fans as I call them) have to be held responsible for their inertia and apologism for the Evans regime. Whenever I pointed out the (what should be obvious) faults in what was going on at ITFC, the low IQ response was always something like ''He puts in 7m a year'', ''Evans has saved us from becoming a Bolton/Bury type club'', ''What other owner would possibly want to take us over?'' etc. Facile arguments from fake fans who should be ridiculed and mocked for their stupidity and defeatism. |
Fake fans for holding real and justified fears of the club being mismanaged to collapse, were we to fall into the hands of an owner worse than Evans? Sure, makes total sense. A game changer 2.0 style buyout was by no means guaranteed. Congrats on the hindsight though | |
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