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Bumbling Boris could have just undone it all with a love letter to maggie for closing the mines. To even hint that the move was ecologically motivated is a massive lol.
Is that the same as Johnson claiming that thanks to his woeful mismanagement of the Covid pandemic he saved the country billions on future state pension payouts?
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:26 - Aug 5 by Oldsmoker
Is that the same as Johnson claiming that thanks to his woeful mismanagement of the Covid pandemic he saved the country billions on future state pension payouts?
boris is the sort of chap who, if convicted of murdering both his parents, would ask the court to show mercy on an orphan.
Last year Jonathon Porritt, head of Friends of the Earth in the late 1980s, recalled the galvanising effect she had on the green debate:
"Thatcher … did more than anyone in the last 60 years to put green issues on the national agenda. From 1987-88 when [she] started to talk about the ozone layer and acid rain and climate change, a lot of people who had said these issues were for the tree-hugging weirdos thought, 'ooh, it's Mrs Thatcher saying that, it must be serious'. She played a big part in the rise of green ideas by making it more accessible to large numbers of people".
It is amazing is it not that a man despised by so many could win an 80 seat majority with 43.6% of the popular vote - the highest for any party since 1979; and of course if we had another election tomorrow, he (they) would win again. I suggest that we just stick to football on TWTD as it is obvious we just don't understand the political scene. If only the mines were still open - if only another party was in power to have guided us through the pandemic......
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For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 20:03 - Aug 5 with 1934 views
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:48 - Aug 5 by Timefliesbyintheblue
It is amazing is it not that a man despised by so many could win an 80 seat majority with 43.6% of the popular vote - the highest for any party since 1979; and of course if we had another election tomorrow, he (they) would win again. I suggest that we just stick to football on TWTD as it is obvious we just don't understand the political scene. If only the mines were still open - if only another party was in power to have guided us through the pandemic......
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For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 20:11 - Aug 5 with 1909 views
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 20:03 - Aug 5 by eireblue
You bet, could not agree more. Mahatma was a wise man. Change however has to be better than what we have already. That is why we keep getting Tory governments.
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For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 20:13 - Aug 5 with 1905 views
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:34 - Aug 5 by factual_blue
boris is the sort of chap who, if convicted of murdering both his parents, would ask the court to show mercy on an orphan.
I'm sure that you will have seen Johnson's quote from October 2007 in this week's Private Eye.
"How the hell can we witter on about tackling global warming, and reducing consumption, when we are continuing to add so relentlessly to the number of consumers? The answer is politics, and political cowardice."
"We seem to have given up on population control, and all sorts of explanations are offered for the surrender."
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:48 - Aug 5 by Timefliesbyintheblue
It is amazing is it not that a man despised by so many could win an 80 seat majority with 43.6% of the popular vote - the highest for any party since 1979; and of course if we had another election tomorrow, he (they) would win again. I suggest that we just stick to football on TWTD as it is obvious we just don't understand the political scene. If only the mines were still open - if only another party was in power to have guided us through the pandemic......
just a thought, you could just stick to football threads by clicking football threads
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:37 - Aug 5 by GlasgowBlue
Thatcher was ahead of her time on climate change.
Last year Jonathon Porritt, head of Friends of the Earth in the late 1980s, recalled the galvanising effect she had on the green debate:
"Thatcher … did more than anyone in the last 60 years to put green issues on the national agenda. From 1987-88 when [she] started to talk about the ozone layer and acid rain and climate change, a lot of people who had said these issues were for the tree-hugging weirdos thought, 'ooh, it's Mrs Thatcher saying that, it must be serious'. She played a big part in the rise of green ideas by making it more accessible to large numbers of people".
She also closed far fewer mines than Harold Wilson. But that’s a completely different story.
Edit. And did the Tories work had to win the red wall? I thought they were gifted those seats by a woeful opposition.
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Maggie gets loads of stick, mainly by people who weren't even born then.
My formative years were full of strikes and power cuts, I also remember the show of hands ballots re the mines when anyone who dared to stay on and work were beaten up and their kids were also beaten up at school.
Prince Charles and the late Prince Phillip were also massively ahead of climate change and plastics.
Maggie also made great Ice Cream.
Can you imagine Maggie in charge during this pandemic? She would have nailed it - ditto Blair, but to a lesser extent.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 21:38 - Aug 5 by Lord_Lucan
Maggie gets loads of stick, mainly by people who weren't even born then.
My formative years were full of strikes and power cuts, I also remember the show of hands ballots re the mines when anyone who dared to stay on and work were beaten up and their kids were also beaten up at school.
Prince Charles and the late Prince Phillip were also massively ahead of climate change and plastics.
Maggie also made great Ice Cream.
Can you imagine Maggie in charge during this pandemic? She would have nailed it - ditto Blair, but to a lesser extent.
You make some very good points - I guess with Maggie we would still be in the EU - she would have made sure she got a deal that the country would have voted for. I still believe that the culprit in all this was David Cameron who hadn't the faintest idea how the country felt at the time; and no it was not all about immigration.
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For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 22:41 - Aug 5 with 1676 views
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:48 - Aug 5 by Timefliesbyintheblue
It is amazing is it not that a man despised by so many could win an 80 seat majority with 43.6% of the popular vote - the highest for any party since 1979; and of course if we had another election tomorrow, he (they) would win again. I suggest that we just stick to football on TWTD as it is obvious we just don't understand the political scene. If only the mines were still open - if only another party was in power to have guided us through the pandemic......
You are so correct.
Please just explain, aside from "Get Brexit done!" what it was that is so attractive to that 43.6% of the turnout.
And while you are about it, perhaps you can explain how our political system represents the 56.4% who turned out to vote for a different party, those who did not vote and those who were disenfranchised.
I suppose those 43.6% of the turnout are delighted with the way he has got Brexit done too.
I will readily admit I do not understand why this Government remains so popular.
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 21:38 - Aug 5 by Lord_Lucan
Maggie gets loads of stick, mainly by people who weren't even born then.
My formative years were full of strikes and power cuts, I also remember the show of hands ballots re the mines when anyone who dared to stay on and work were beaten up and their kids were also beaten up at school.
Prince Charles and the late Prince Phillip were also massively ahead of climate change and plastics.
Maggie also made great Ice Cream.
Can you imagine Maggie in charge during this pandemic? She would have nailed it - ditto Blair, but to a lesser extent.
I agree with much of what you say.
Few who lived through the 70s would disagree that Thatcher did what needed to be done when she came in. I think many would say she went too far. What GB said about her environmental credentials in the context of the time are probably correct too.
However, the suggestion from Johnson that the motivation (or even the impact) was beneficial to the environment is plain wrong. The coal was simply replaced with cheaper imports. There was no desire to reduce CO2 emissions within the policy.
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 20:11 - Aug 5 by Timefliesbyintheblue
You bet, could not agree more. Mahatma was a wise man. Change however has to be better than what we have already. That is why we keep getting Tory governments.
A slowly decomposing punnet of peaches would be better than what we have already . The reason we keep getting Tory governments is because they get progressively more populist with each election, never letting the truth get in the way of a chance to weaken democracy and line their chums' pockets.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 21:38 - Aug 5 by Lord_Lucan
Maggie gets loads of stick, mainly by people who weren't even born then.
My formative years were full of strikes and power cuts, I also remember the show of hands ballots re the mines when anyone who dared to stay on and work were beaten up and their kids were also beaten up at school.
Prince Charles and the late Prince Phillip were also massively ahead of climate change and plastics.
Maggie also made great Ice Cream.
Can you imagine Maggie in charge during this pandemic? She would have nailed it - ditto Blair, but to a lesser extent.
Haha! Spoken like a white, middle-aged man from the South East.
Pronouns: He/Him
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For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 00:13 - Aug 6 with 1509 views
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:48 - Aug 5 by Timefliesbyintheblue
It is amazing is it not that a man despised by so many could win an 80 seat majority with 43.6% of the popular vote - the highest for any party since 1979; and of course if we had another election tomorrow, he (they) would win again. I suggest that we just stick to football on TWTD as it is obvious we just don't understand the political scene. If only the mines were still open - if only another party was in power to have guided us through the pandemic......
Not really amazing at all. Orban got 50% of the vote share and Trump 46%. Populist nationalism grounded in uniting against an imaginary enemy is a powerful drug.
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 22:50 - Aug 5 by Nthsuffolkblue
I agree with much of what you say.
Few who lived through the 70s would disagree that Thatcher did what needed to be done when she came in. I think many would say she went too far. What GB said about her environmental credentials in the context of the time are probably correct too.
However, the suggestion from Johnson that the motivation (or even the impact) was beneficial to the environment is plain wrong. The coal was simply replaced with cheaper imports. There was no desire to reduce CO2 emissions within the policy.
I beg to differ. We needed modernising but she sowed the seeds of all our present day ails. Individual selfishness. Disparity between the haves and have nots. Erosion of our fundamental rights. Outsourcing and privatisation of key services that other countries have shown are better retained at least part by the state. Boom and bust economy leaving 000s destitute. Globalisation of industries leaving 000s without jobs.
She ruined large parts of the UK, and they still haven’t recovered. She was certainly strong and undoubtedly would have done a better job than Johnson through Brexit (wouldn’t have entertained it) and the pandemic, but for millions of people she was evil.
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:37 - Aug 5 by GlasgowBlue
Thatcher was ahead of her time on climate change.
Last year Jonathon Porritt, head of Friends of the Earth in the late 1980s, recalled the galvanising effect she had on the green debate:
"Thatcher … did more than anyone in the last 60 years to put green issues on the national agenda. From 1987-88 when [she] started to talk about the ozone layer and acid rain and climate change, a lot of people who had said these issues were for the tree-hugging weirdos thought, 'ooh, it's Mrs Thatcher saying that, it must be serious'. She played a big part in the rise of green ideas by making it more accessible to large numbers of people".
She also closed far fewer mines than Harold Wilson. But that’s a completely different story.
Edit. And did the Tories work had to win the red wall? I thought they were gifted those seats by a woeful opposition.
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The Welsh coal mines mainly supplied Anthracite. This is the coal used for powering Steam engines. British Rail was phasing out Steam engines in the '60's and they were all gone by the early '70's. The market for Welsh coal shrank and the closure of the welsh mines was always going to happen. However, after Ted Heath called for a General Election on "Who runs the country - Us or the unions?" the british electorate replied with "Not you". The Tories were p*ssed when they lost and swore revenge. They replaced Heath with Thatcher. The closure of the coal mines all over the country was the start of wresting power from the unions. The power workers, coal miners, railwaymen, car workers, dockers and steel workers were the targets. All nationalised industries. Those were the unions that caused the most problems. Laws were made that weakened unions and removed workers rights. Shutting coal mines got rid of Coal miner unions. Closing coal-fired power stations got rid of some power worker unions and privatisation did for the rest. The acid rain that had been destroying Scandinavian forests stopped but that was a bonus not a driving force of policy. The closure of British Leyland got rid of the car worker unions as foreign car companies demanded different work practises. The dockers lost their jobs because of modernisation and the invention of the 40ft sea container. Felixstowe was a privately owned port and had no dockers affilliated to the nationalised dock workers and their unions. Steel was next to go with mass closures in Sheffield/Rotherham, Teeside and Corby. Ironically Sheffield Forgemasters were effectively re-nationalised last week when the MOD bought them to guarantee specialised steel supplies for their armaments. So, the closure of coal mines was for economic and political reasons not to save the planet. Bus deregulation, the underfunding of the railways and motorway building meant most people switched to cars from the mid 80's adding to the pollution. Unleaded petrol was a global initiative and the UK just complied. The Tories never had a green core. Any 'green' benefits were entirely secondary or by accident.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 21:38 - Aug 5 by Lord_Lucan
Maggie gets loads of stick, mainly by people who weren't even born then.
My formative years were full of strikes and power cuts, I also remember the show of hands ballots re the mines when anyone who dared to stay on and work were beaten up and their kids were also beaten up at school.
Prince Charles and the late Prince Phillip were also massively ahead of climate change and plastics.
Maggie also made great Ice Cream.
Can you imagine Maggie in charge during this pandemic? She would have nailed it - ditto Blair, but to a lesser extent.
Oh no, I was alive - and her policies came very close to wrecking my family. No sympathy from me whatsoever.
For all the work the Tories did to win the north... on 19:37 - Aug 5 by GlasgowBlue
Thatcher was ahead of her time on climate change.
Last year Jonathon Porritt, head of Friends of the Earth in the late 1980s, recalled the galvanising effect she had on the green debate:
"Thatcher … did more than anyone in the last 60 years to put green issues on the national agenda. From 1987-88 when [she] started to talk about the ozone layer and acid rain and climate change, a lot of people who had said these issues were for the tree-hugging weirdos thought, 'ooh, it's Mrs Thatcher saying that, it must be serious'. She played a big part in the rise of green ideas by making it more accessible to large numbers of people".
"The Tories were p*ssed when they lost and swore revenge. " There'sa newexplanation... drink. The Tories were drunk.
The closing of the mines was a political act by a supposed group of free marketTorues who used Thatcher as their mouthpiece, and ventual patsy. Their view was th one that wealth created should go more to those who own, than thoe who produce.
The relied upon the same lie, as today. The bigger the share of the loaf that goes to the top table, the more the crumbs are that will fall o those at the bottom - so called trickle down effect.
Whereas Norway used the wealth from oil to set up a sovereign fund, the UK wasted it on years of political ighting. It is nonsense to talk of the closures being anything to do with the mines being uneconomic, and the need for environmental change.
The power station continued to use coal, only it was cheaper coal from the heavily subsidised Polish mines. A a cost basis if the UK had continued the long term plan of closing mines as they became 'worn out' and used benefit money to retrain and redevelop those areas the country would have been in a far healthier state, as would millions of it's citizens.
It should also be seen that this was not an isolated event, as the countries assets were stripped bare, to the point where we know have our major utilities own by EU companies, and the privatise railways owned by EU state owned companies, with the subsidies far higher than when the country owned them !
Johnsons words should be no surprise, as he usually has about as much grasp of the subject matter as Stevie Wonder commentating on a cricket match. Nor should it come as any surprise that the same ragbag of bigots have rushed out to cry " Thatcha Akbar",
A desperate cry that rises up from this light when any reasoned explanation of the past is put forward. As we, the sneering, metropolitan elite represent the 'unbelievers' to them. People who do not unquestionably accept what they are told.
A direct threat to those who benefit from having the stupid, remain stupid.
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