| Qatar world cup/ lgbt 07:45 - Oct 27 with 2518 views | MancBlue86 |
I know this thread has already been done but just didn't want to get lost in the comments.
As a gay guy I was, and still am shocked at the decision to host the usually most inclusive of tournaments in a country that is the complete opposite. I wouldn’t even dream of going. I went to Dubai/abu dhabi as an 18 year old with my family, I had just come out to my friends (not family) and I spent the whole time in fear, obviously I wasn’t getting my grove on if you catch my drift but that’s irrelevant as my pure existence as a gay guy would have been enough to throw me in jail. I’ve now been out for half of my life and I enjoy it massively , I’m getting married to my wonderful fiance in August and theres no way in hell I would ever go to a place where I have to hide who I am ever again, not be able to share a bed with the person I love, not that Im incapable of that, but I should get to choose, so I choose not to go to a place where I have that choice taken away from me. Fifa took that away from me, not Qatar. This world cup will blow up if fifa’s face and I hope it does. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 7:48]
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 07:56 - Oct 27 with 1853 views | Steve_M |
Completely understandable.
I do think that hosting the World Cup will bring a fair degree of negativity to views of Qatar, in terms of LGBT rights, the lack of space for political expression and the treatment of migrant workers. Qatari elites want to think of themselves as a lot better than the Saudis.
Obviously all FIFA are concerned about is money so they won't give a sh1t about any of the above. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:02 - Oct 27 with 1824 views | StokieBlue |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 07:56 - Oct 27 by Steve_M |
Completely understandable.
I do think that hosting the World Cup will bring a fair degree of negativity to views of Qatar, in terms of LGBT rights, the lack of space for political expression and the treatment of migrant workers. Qatari elites want to think of themselves as a lot better than the Saudis.
Obviously all FIFA are concerned about is money so they won't give a sh1t about any of the above. |
It's probably not going to turn out as Qatar hoped, hosting the World Cup was probably seen as a way to bring legitimacy and understanding about how they run their country but if anything it's actually shone a greater spotlight on the horrible things such as LGBT rights and the disregard for workers rights and safety.
It'll hopefully be a failed attempt at sportswashing.
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:04 - Oct 27 with 1821 views | MancBlue86 |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 07:56 - Oct 27 by Steve_M |
Completely understandable.
I do think that hosting the World Cup will bring a fair degree of negativity to views of Qatar, in terms of LGBT rights, the lack of space for political expression and the treatment of migrant workers. Qatari elites want to think of themselves as a lot better than the Saudis.
Obviously all FIFA are concerned about is money so they won't give a sh1t about any of the above. |
Well exactly, the LGBT issue over there is just one of many. Like you said, the treatment and deaths of migrant workers, women’s rights and so on. In recent years places like Poland/Russia have taken huge strides backwards on lgbt rights, the US taking away a woman's right to have an abortion, now we have a world cup in a place that supports them backwards steps. Its all very concerning when you look at the bigger picture.
But again you are right, Fifa wont care because the coffers are being filled. | |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:06 - Oct 27 with 1806 views | Churchman |
Thank you for your post. It went to Qatar for one reason only. £££ changed hands.
You could argue that it’s sport, a developing country and politics don’t matter. I disagree and they do. There’s no way in earth I’d allow any tournament to go to a place that doesn’t embrace inclusivity of all people, whatever their orientation, gender, colour, religion, age etc. Nor would I attend a tournament at a place like that either.
It’s a disgrace that it’s being held there in my view. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 8:23]
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| Tournaments that are organised by FIFA…. on 08:15 - Oct 27 with 1796 views | Bloots |
….normally just expose and highlight everything that is wrong with football, which is primarily centred around money and the inevitable corruption and greed.
This particular WC is going to highlight many other issues that are wrong with wider society, issues that FIFA are turning a blind eye to, purely for the sake of money.
I have two main hopes for this WC, firstly that England get to go home early and that as a result someone at the FA (whether it’s an official, a coach or a player) can speak out against it and secondly that in some way the mere fact that it was in the Middle East highlights the outdated and cruel attitudes they have to the LGBTQ+ community.
Sometimes to make a difference and achieve change you need to go through the pain of dealing with negativity…….maybe some good can come out of it.
Congratulations on your wedding and good luck to you and your future hubby.
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:16 - Oct 27 with 1782 views | BlueBadger |
Yes, but we should be respectful of their barbaric and backward beliefs that would see people locked up and worse because of a quirk of nature. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:21 - Oct 27 with 1765 views | blueasfook |
It's a legacy from the corrupt Blatter/Platini era. A WC host chosen because FIFA bosses' pockets were suitably lined. Not because of suitability as a host. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:26 - Oct 27 with 1747 views | itfcjoe |
Completely understandable position, what would views have been of going to Russia in 2018 ? Also Brazil in 2022 is very different than Brazil in 2014 with Bolsonero at the helm.
I can't see why anyone wants to go to Qatar for this World Cup full stop, obviously some peoples reasons are much more valid than others like yours compared to others.
I note that the Govt have said that they won't be going to games over there even if England progress in the tournament
Guess one of only hopes is that the WC being there shines a light on things more so they have to become more progressive, even if they are dragged to that position kicking and screaming for the next generation of gay people - but it shouldn't take a World Cup to achieve that |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:28 - Oct 27 with 1727 views | EddyJ |
The FA should have boycotted it.
How can rainbow laces or any of the FA's other anti-homophobia campaigns be taken seriously when they are helping to sport-wash a country where homosexuality is punishable by a prison sentence (and theoretically by death, although there are no known cases of this)?
It shows that any anti-homophobia campaigns the FA initiate are just corporate virtue signalling with no real intent. No wonder we have so few "out" gay footballers. |  | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:37 - Oct 27 with 1703 views | BlueBadger |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:26 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
Completely understandable position, what would views have been of going to Russia in 2018 ? Also Brazil in 2022 is very different than Brazil in 2014 with Bolsonero at the helm.
I can't see why anyone wants to go to Qatar for this World Cup full stop, obviously some peoples reasons are much more valid than others like yours compared to others.
I note that the Govt have said that they won't be going to games over there even if England progress in the tournament
Guess one of only hopes is that the WC being there shines a light on things more so they have to become more progressive, even if they are dragged to that position kicking and screaming for the next generation of gay people - but it shouldn't take a World Cup to achieve that |
Echoing your second paragraph Joe, I've never understood why anyone would go to Dubai, full stop.A backwards theocracy in a desert that appears to have been built solely for the purpose of providing somewhere hot for rich idiots to go shopping?
No, you're alright thanks. | |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:39 - Oct 27 with 1690 views | Churchman |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:26 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
Completely understandable position, what would views have been of going to Russia in 2018 ? Also Brazil in 2022 is very different than Brazil in 2014 with Bolsonero at the helm.
I can't see why anyone wants to go to Qatar for this World Cup full stop, obviously some peoples reasons are much more valid than others like yours compared to others.
I note that the Govt have said that they won't be going to games over there even if England progress in the tournament
Guess one of only hopes is that the WC being there shines a light on things more so they have to become more progressive, even if they are dragged to that position kicking and screaming for the next generation of gay people - but it shouldn't take a World Cup to achieve that |
The trouble is Joe that it could be argued that holding a WC there legitimises their disgusting regime in their eyes. In other words, while I hope you are right, I doubt it’ll make any difference.
As for Russia, it shouldn’t have been held there either. After Crimea etc, doping bans, Winter Olympic scandal I thought it should have been pulled from there at the time. However I’m being hypocritical a bit in that once the tournament started I got into it and watched along with most people and forgot all about the Russia bit. | | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:50 - Oct 27 with 1674 views | bluelagos |
I have a lot of sympathy for what you say. And tbh, am more than a little disappointed by the consensus on the other thread that gay people should adapt to a country that has homophobic laws.
That argument is as valid as those telling black people to accept racist laws in America or women to stop their protests to get the vote. If something is wrong, it is wrong, full stop. Qatar has homophobic laws and anyone suggesting gay people should accept them is siding with the side of homophobia imho
Sadly most people do exactly that, far too uncomfortable to actually speak out and God forbid we might upset anyone
You keep on speaking out pal. The decision to go to Qatar is wrong for a lot of reasons and you highlight one reason that is clear as day to any right minded person. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:12 - Oct 27 with 1612 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Agree with all of your post MancBlue86. I am surprised that there hasn't so far been a high profile campaign to get people around the world to boycott watching the World Cup and the companies who are sponsoring it. I can say I am not giving any attention to it whatsoever, and even if England make the final, I won't be watching.
If there was a campaign around the world to get people to boycott watching and buying products from those who sponsor it, that is the only language FIFA will understand, as it will reduce advertising and sponsorship revenues. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:24 - Oct 27 with 1586 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I really hope so as well.
Fifa, Uefa both still v murky if you ask me. The whole process for apointing Qatar stinks |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:24 - Oct 27 with 1587 views | Zapers |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 07:56 - Oct 27 by Steve_M |
Completely understandable.
I do think that hosting the World Cup will bring a fair degree of negativity to views of Qatar, in terms of LGBT rights, the lack of space for political expression and the treatment of migrant workers. Qatari elites want to think of themselves as a lot better than the Saudis.
Obviously all FIFA are concerned about is money so they won't give a sh1t about any of the above. |
Money doesn't talk, it swears. You only have to look at Dave B filling his pockets to know that where there's muck, there's gold. | | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:42 - Oct 27 with 1564 views | BlueBadger |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:50 - Oct 27 by bluelagos |
I have a lot of sympathy for what you say. And tbh, am more than a little disappointed by the consensus on the other thread that gay people should adapt to a country that has homophobic laws.
That argument is as valid as those telling black people to accept racist laws in America or women to stop their protests to get the vote. If something is wrong, it is wrong, full stop. Qatar has homophobic laws and anyone suggesting gay people should accept them is siding with the side of homophobia imho
Sadly most people do exactly that, far too uncomfortable to actually speak out and God forbid we might upset anyone
You keep on speaking out pal. The decision to go to Qatar is wrong for a lot of reasons and you highlight one reason that is clear as day to any right minded person. |
Exactly. Football can't claim to be a truly 'global' game if it's insisting on legitimising parts of the world that want to not just exclude but actively criminalise large sections of the globe. | |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:45 - Oct 27 with 1551 views | itfcjoe |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:37 - Oct 27 by BlueBadger |
Echoing your second paragraph Joe, I've never understood why anyone would go to Dubai, full stop.A backwards theocracy in a desert that appears to have been built solely for the purpose of providing somewhere hot for rich idiots to go shopping?
No, you're alright thanks. |
People like different things from holidays, Dubai a great venue for those wanting guaranteed sun and luxury | |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:49 - Oct 27 with 1541 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:37 - Oct 27 by BlueBadger |
Echoing your second paragraph Joe, I've never understood why anyone would go to Dubai, full stop.A backwards theocracy in a desert that appears to have been built solely for the purpose of providing somewhere hot for rich idiots to go shopping?
No, you're alright thanks. |
Dubai is just the Middle Ages with skyscrapers. | | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:51 - Oct 27 with 1536 views | itfcjoe |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:50 - Oct 27 by bluelagos |
I have a lot of sympathy for what you say. And tbh, am more than a little disappointed by the consensus on the other thread that gay people should adapt to a country that has homophobic laws.
That argument is as valid as those telling black people to accept racist laws in America or women to stop their protests to get the vote. If something is wrong, it is wrong, full stop. Qatar has homophobic laws and anyone suggesting gay people should accept them is siding with the side of homophobia imho
Sadly most people do exactly that, far too uncomfortable to actually speak out and God forbid we might upset anyone
You keep on speaking out pal. The decision to go to Qatar is wrong for a lot of reasons and you highlight one reason that is clear as day to any right minded person. |
It's not a consensus that they should adapt, it's the reality of the situation - if gay people wnat to go there, and be openly homosexual then they will be in a whole world of trouble - if people want to protest in this way and become a martyr for the cause, possibly quite literally, then fair play to them but 99.9% of gay people that choose to go will go knowing they need to adapt/conform/call it whatever you like
How does the rest of the world catch up with the West in progressive standards? Especially a West that is in some ways going backwards - we all see what is obvious here but the abolishment of Roe vs Wade shows that in the West there is the need for the hard won rights to keep being fought for on our own shores as well as trying to drag othercultures and countries along with it.
I think it is positive that Qatar hasn't been able to sportswash with it's hosting of a World Cup, it's had a light shined on it and people don't like what they see, very different to their investment in PSG and with Bein Sports etc......that has given them much more status without the criticism - this has been a big mistake not just by FIFA but by their ruling powers who were too arrogant to understand that people will think less of them when more exposed to them | |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:54 - Oct 27 with 1522 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:45 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
People like different things from holidays, Dubai a great venue for those wanting guaranteed sun and luxury |
“People like different things from holidays, Dubai a great venue for those wanting guaranteed sun and luxury”
Other venues are available, albeit don’t tick all the boxes if you prefer your hotel being knocked up by slaves. | | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:29 - Oct 27 with 1475 views | itfcjoe |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:54 - Oct 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“People like different things from holidays, Dubai a great venue for those wanting guaranteed sun and luxury”
Other venues are available, albeit don’t tick all the boxes if you prefer your hotel being knocked up by slaves. |
The main difference between the West and the Middle East regions like that is that the West was built by slaves long before you were born. | |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:31 - Oct 27 with 1463 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:29 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
The main difference between the West and the Middle East regions like that is that the West was built by slaves long before you were born. |
Thank you for proving my point. | | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:40 - Oct 27 with 1434 views | EastTownBlue |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:24 - Oct 27 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I really hope so as well.
Fifa, Uefa both still v murky if you ask me. The whole process for apointing Qatar stinks |
It was dodgy that FIFA announced the 2018 and 2022 hosts at the same time back in 2010.
Russia and Qatar, well done FIFA. I'm sure that it was more than worth it. | | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:45 - Oct 27 with 1423 views | J2BLUE |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:50 - Oct 27 by bluelagos |
I have a lot of sympathy for what you say. And tbh, am more than a little disappointed by the consensus on the other thread that gay people should adapt to a country that has homophobic laws.
That argument is as valid as those telling black people to accept racist laws in America or women to stop their protests to get the vote. If something is wrong, it is wrong, full stop. Qatar has homophobic laws and anyone suggesting gay people should accept them is siding with the side of homophobia imho
Sadly most people do exactly that, far too uncomfortable to actually speak out and God forbid we might upset anyone
You keep on speaking out pal. The decision to go to Qatar is wrong for a lot of reasons and you highlight one reason that is clear as day to any right minded person. |
I have a lot of sympathy for what you say. And tbh, am more than a little disappointed by the consensus on the other thread that gay people should adapt to a country that has homophobic laws.
I really do not think this is a fair reflection of that thread. At least provide the context that it was not about respecting their laws but people protecting themselves. As I said in the thread, having this attitude is great but being morally right won't stand up against their backward laws. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:51 - Oct 27 with 1385 views | BlueBadger |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 10:29 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
The main difference between the West and the Middle East regions like that is that the West was built by slaves long before you were born. |
Choo choo! The whatabouttery train is pulling into platform 5! [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 12:19]
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