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They're gonna go full Trumpism double down on the division, but I don't think that strategy has legs in the UK. Brexit was an easy tap in due to a general British dislike of foreigners, but the USA has been prepped with decades of evangelical cultish alternative realities where facts/integrity mean little so long as one believes hard enough. We've still got some common sense left and it's evident to anyone with half a brain we've been led down the wrong path by lying chancers.
Rory Stewart was speaking on Rest in Politics saying that Truss is just in hock to those like IEA etc and like Corbyn with Momentum they neither know nor can understand just why outside their members people don't agree with them; and that they won't win an argument with the elctorate
Momentum and IEA come from totally different sides, and if I had to pick a side it would be Momentum - but neither will win an election as there are alternatives to go to, unlike America.....when you take control of a party there you take 40%+ of the population straight away - not the case here
Is she not talking to the IEA and their Tufton St pals anymore? She'll be out of the job PDQ if she's not taking their calls. The ones who are already installed in Downing St as SPADS excepted, of course.
Edit: typo
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Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:20 - Oct 5 with 1562 views
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:16 - Oct 5 by itfcjoe
Rory Stewart was speaking on Rest in Politics saying that Truss is just in hock to those like IEA etc and like Corbyn with Momentum they neither know nor can understand just why outside their members people don't agree with them; and that they won't win an argument with the elctorate
Momentum and IEA come from totally different sides, and if I had to pick a side it would be Momentum - but neither will win an election as there are alternatives to go to, unlike America.....when you take control of a party there you take 40%+ of the population straight away - not the case here
I think comparing activism groups with rich lobbyists is a bit disingenuous. Although not intentional it is these assumptions that lead to far right figures claiming there's a rich liberal elite pulling the strings.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:16 - Oct 5 by itfcjoe
Rory Stewart was speaking on Rest in Politics saying that Truss is just in hock to those like IEA etc and like Corbyn with Momentum they neither know nor can understand just why outside their members people don't agree with them; and that they won't win an argument with the elctorate
Momentum and IEA come from totally different sides, and if I had to pick a side it would be Momentum - but neither will win an election as there are alternatives to go to, unlike America.....when you take control of a party there you take 40%+ of the population straight away - not the case here
Who is behind Momentum? Are the funded by non-UK hidden money?
Not a great comparison in my mind.
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Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:27 - Oct 5 with 1463 views
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:24 - Oct 5 by GeoffSentence
One group she could have included in this "anti-growth coalition", but that she missed out for some reason, is 'people currently shagging the economy'
She and her Britannia Unchained cultists have an inherently Victorian view of lazy British workers who demand too many rights. It completely ignores nations like Germany who through innovation and inward investment have become industrial and financial powerhouses. That despite working many less hours, and indeed with legal restrictions on the hours worked (eg emails outside of contracted hours.
The whole ideology is ridiculous and without any foundation or credible research. Somewhat ironic given that she didn’t even get the job on merit but the whim of a few old rich blokes.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:21 - Oct 5 by monytowbray
I think comparing activism groups with rich lobbyists is a bit disingenuous. Although not intentional it is these assumptions that lead to far right figures claiming there's a rich liberal elite pulling the strings.
It's comparing the position they put the leader in and that position's electability - not what is behind them
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:27 - Oct 5 by MattinLondon
What is a Brexit denier? I think everyone accepts that it happened but some just don’t like it.
In terms of ‘vested interests’ does this include hedge fund managers being entertained with champagne by the Chancellor?
The language gets hijacked too easily, does it not, to imply an equivalence and simultaneously devalue the original meaning or opposition usage. (I should perhaps have said 'misappropriated'!)
Momentum are nothing like the ERG. Red and blue are not the same just because they are not white.
Momentums analysis of society, the economy is pretty much spot on. The only problem is they believe in a flawed Trotskyist solution. Deception and lies are not any answer.
ERG and their ilk have no grasp on society rf the economy. They are mostly unhinged fruitcakes being used as 'useful idiots' by the wealthy.
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Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:31 - Oct 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna
She and her Britannia Unchained cultists have an inherently Victorian view of lazy British workers who demand too many rights. It completely ignores nations like Germany who through innovation and inward investment have become industrial and financial powerhouses. That despite working many less hours, and indeed with legal restrictions on the hours worked (eg emails outside of contracted hours.
The whole ideology is ridiculous and without any foundation or credible research. Somewhat ironic given that she didn’t even get the job on merit but the whim of a few old rich blokes.
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My guess is that Britannia Unchained was written in 55 Tufton St and the "authors" names stuck on the front of the book.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:37 - Oct 5 by HARRY10
Momentum are nothing like the ERG. Red and blue are not the same just because they are not white.
Momentums analysis of society, the economy is pretty much spot on. The only problem is they believe in a flawed Trotskyist solution. Deception and lies are not any answer.
ERG and their ilk have no grasp on society rf the economy. They are mostly unhinged fruitcakes being used as 'useful idiots' by the wealthy.
Both fundamentally believe in something that won't work and turns off a massive chunk of the electorate.
If Momentum were in power at least the extra borrowing would be being spent on public services than where it is now and we would be getting something for our money. But neither the IEA or Momentum will ever win an election on their policy platform, as we found out in 2019, and will have confirmed when Truss get's obliterated in 2024
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:37 - Oct 5 by HARRY10
Momentum are nothing like the ERG. Red and blue are not the same just because they are not white.
Momentums analysis of society, the economy is pretty much spot on. The only problem is they believe in a flawed Trotskyist solution. Deception and lies are not any answer.
ERG and their ilk have no grasp on society rf the economy. They are mostly unhinged fruitcakes being used as 'useful idiots' by the wealthy.
They're like them in that they're a group of fringe loons, apologists for racists and weirdos with a 'fairies and unicorns' way of looking at solving the country's problems bent on foisting a candidate utterly unsuited to high office into it.
The only real difference here, is that the blue lot have actually achieved it, albeit on penalties.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:39 - Oct 5 by itfcjoe
Both fundamentally believe in something that won't work and turns off a massive chunk of the electorate.
If Momentum were in power at least the extra borrowing would be being spent on public services than where it is now and we would be getting something for our money. But neither the IEA or Momentum will ever win an election on their policy platform, as we found out in 2019, and will have confirmed when Truss get's obliterated in 2024
Agreed, they are fundamentalists which is an instant switch off to much of the UK.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:48 - Oct 5 by Plums
Agreed, they are fundamentalists which is an instant switch off to much of the UK.
But Momentum’s message - in a very simplistic way - is far far better than that Tory rabble. Make society better, more equal, with the rich paying an equal share.
I know it’s naïve but it’s a better message than the hang ‘em high, tax less, more cars, more greed than what UKIP represent.
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Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:26 - Oct 5 by XYZ
Who is behind Momentum? Are the funded by non-UK hidden money?
Not a great comparison in my mind.
It’s Rory Stewart appealing to the centrist void.
As basically a grassroots campaign for social democracy, what are Momentum’s policies or arguments the electorate don’t or can’t agree with? Would be very interesting to find out as I have no idea. Nationalisation? Social justice? More redistributive policies? Helping the most disadvantaged in society? Greater investment in regions, infrastructure and green industry?
Whereas the IEA has been leading the way with the Tories and free market fundamentalism for a decade or more. The idea that they’re an extreme voice that needs to be marginalised can be dated to around 2021-2022.
It’s comparing apples with a busted ideology that only serves those at the top.
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Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 12:57 - Oct 5 by MattinLondon
But Momentum’s message - in a very simplistic way - is far far better than that Tory rabble. Make society better, more equal, with the rich paying an equal share.
I know it’s naïve but it’s a better message than the hang ‘em high, tax less, more cars, more greed than what UKIP represent.
It's not about the message, it's that neither are going to carry along a coalition of voters that will be enough to get them elected.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 13:08 - Oct 5 by Darth_Koont
It’s Rory Stewart appealing to the centrist void.
As basically a grassroots campaign for social democracy, what are Momentum’s policies or arguments the electorate don’t or can’t agree with? Would be very interesting to find out as I have no idea. Nationalisation? Social justice? More redistributive policies? Helping the most disadvantaged in society? Greater investment in regions, infrastructure and green industry?
Whereas the IEA has been leading the way with the Tories and free market fundamentalism for a decade or more. The idea that they’re an extreme voice that needs to be marginalised can be dated to around 2021-2022.
It’s comparing apples with a busted ideology that only serves those at the top.
I wouldn't claim to know the facts as I'm not a complete political wonk, my understanding of the criticism of Momentum is the "organised coordinated entryism" on the alleged Militant Tendency model from the early '80s.
My understanding is that all that happened in properly convened Labour Party meetings and votes held in accordance with the Labour Party's rules.
The IEA work by using (large amounts of) funds from undisclosed sources to push radical right wing ideology into the mainstream. It's been a long-term strategic disciplined plan. At no stage does anyone admit there's a plan.
I really don't see any comparison.
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Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 13:50 - Oct 5 with 929 views
That's more of the country than supports her. Even in 2019 only 14m out of a possible 47.6m voters backed her old boss (29.35%). I can't imagine the proportion has gone up since then.
Seems most the country is on Truss' sh1tlist... on 13:29 - Oct 5 by XYZ
I wouldn't claim to know the facts as I'm not a complete political wonk, my understanding of the criticism of Momentum is the "organised coordinated entryism" on the alleged Militant Tendency model from the early '80s.
My understanding is that all that happened in properly convened Labour Party meetings and votes held in accordance with the Labour Party's rules.
The IEA work by using (large amounts of) funds from undisclosed sources to push radical right wing ideology into the mainstream. It's been a long-term strategic disciplined plan. At no stage does anyone admit there's a plan.
I really don't see any comparison.
Yeah, people have tried to turn them into Militant too. Nonsensical really.
It's a sign how far to the right Labour has gone that their grandees and the PLP have become so resistant to the social democracy/democratic socialism of grassroots campaigners. Not only that, but have been trying to throw out "anyone to the left of Gordon Brown".
We should be under no illusions about just how empty and inadequate these people and their politics are.
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