| Some of us said 10:55 - Oct 11 with 4197 views | chicoazul |
That nobody should agitate for a new Tory government as it would inevitably be much much worse than “Boris” and his boosterism.
Remember?
Big and painful cuts needed to fix budget, says IFS https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63203095 |  |
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| Some of us said on 10:59 - Oct 11 with 2648 views | CaptainAhab |
Is this some sort of weird I told you so? Boris was so bad, but we should have stuck with him because the alternative Tory government would be even worse. Ok then. |  | | |
| Some of us said on 11:02 - Oct 11 with 2633 views | chicoazul |
| Some of us said on 10:59 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Is this some sort of weird I told you so? Boris was so bad, but we should have stuck with him because the alternative Tory government would be even worse. Ok then. |
Pretty much. Actions have consequences. People consistently think this time it will be good, this time it will work, this time we will get the government we want. The same mistakes again and again. | |
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| Some of us said on 11:06 - Oct 11 with 2586 views | Darth_Koont |
So cut vital services or reverse tax cuts and even raise them to claw back the money that the government has literally been pouring into rich pockets for years? Push the country over the edge or upset a minority of the filthy rich, newspaper owners, donors and lobbyists?
No brainer. Which is why I know we’re going down the latter route. |  |
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| Some of us said on 11:12 - Oct 11 with 2566 views | Darth_Koont |
| Some of us said on 11:02 - Oct 11 by chicoazul |
Pretty much. Actions have consequences. People consistently think this time it will be good, this time it will work, this time we will get the government we want. The same mistakes again and again. |
Indeed. The solution to Boris wasn’t “Anyone but Boris” in the same way that the solution to the Tories isn’t “Anyone but the Tories”.
A serious country with serious politicians and media would talk about what the actual solutions would or should be for society and the economy. Not the soap opera of which empty, policyless “personality” can paint themselves popular for the next fleeting moment. | |
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| Some of us said on 11:15 - Oct 11 with 2562 views | Steve_M |
| Some of us said on 11:02 - Oct 11 by chicoazul |
Pretty much. Actions have consequences. People consistently think this time it will be good, this time it will work, this time we will get the government we want. The same mistakes again and again. |
Outside the ranks of the Tory press and their dwindling membership the number of people who expected Truss to be any good is vanishingly small. It was a slightly higher number for Johnson but his faux-charm and buffonery had long since ceased to be the selling point his mates in the press believed.
There's not much of a contrarian point to make about the Tory party being dreadfully bad for the country though is there? |  |
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| Some of us said on 11:19 - Oct 11 with 2524 views | StokieBlue |
The implication of your post is that unacceptable behaviour should be tolerated because something worse might come along.
That's a horrible way to think and and horrible way to run a country.
The people calling for Boris to go aren't at fault here, the blame is entirely on the Tories and their membership.
If you do want to point at someone perhaps direct your ire towards the people who thought a change of PM with a radically different set of policies without an election was just fine and dandy.
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| Some of us said on 11:20 - Oct 11 with 2499 views | GeoffSentence |
| Some of us said on 10:59 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Is this some sort of weird I told you so? Boris was so bad, but we should have stuck with him because the alternative Tory government would be even worse. Ok then. |
Chico is going full on 'be careful what you wish for'. |  |
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| Some of us said on 11:20 - Oct 11 with 2496 views | MattinLondon |
| Some of us said on 10:59 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Is this some sort of weird I told you so? Boris was so bad, but we should have stuck with him because the alternative Tory government would be even worse. Ok then. |
Boris was unfit for high office - in fact he’s not suited for any office - he brought it into disrepute and he had to go. The fact that the present lot of Tories aren’t much better has nothing to do with that. The ‘I told you do’ line of thought is totally ludicrous. |  | | |
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| Some of us said on 11:21 - Oct 11 with 2472 views | XYZ |
| Some of us said on 11:20 - Oct 11 by GeoffSentence |
Chico is going full on 'be careful what you wish for'. |
Trolls gonna troll. | | | |
| Some of us said on 11:32 - Oct 11 with 2413 views | homer_123 |
So, what you are saying is that we were run by an incompetent buffoon and because Truss et al are worse, we should have stuck with the buffoon?
No sir, you are wrong. We deserve better and, as a result of Truss being worse, we'll get it.
One should never settle for bad because things might be worse, otherwise we should have stuck with Mick? [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 11:32]
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| Some of us said on 11:35 - Oct 11 with 2392 views | bluelagos |
Blimely - I know a lot of readers of Twtd get fed up with plenty of the political threads on here - never realised it's cos of our agitation that things changed though.
All power to Twtd eh :-) |  |
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| Some of us said on 11:40 - Oct 11 with 2328 views | Cotty |
| Some of us said on 11:35 - Oct 11 by bluelagos |
Blimely - I know a lot of readers of Twtd get fed up with plenty of the political threads on here - never realised it's cos of our agitation that things changed though.
All power to Twtd eh :-) |
Ha, reminds me of when GB got angry about me "talking the country down" after the Brexit vote. |  | | |
| Some of us said on 11:41 - Oct 11 with 2313 views | davblue |
| Some of us said on 11:19 - Oct 11 by StokieBlue |
The implication of your post is that unacceptable behaviour should be tolerated because something worse might come along.
That's a horrible way to think and and horrible way to run a country.
The people calling for Boris to go aren't at fault here, the blame is entirely on the Tories and their membership.
If you do want to point at someone perhaps direct your ire towards the people who thought a change of PM with a radically different set of policies without an election was just fine and dandy.
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yep the government and the people in the shadows are acting as enablers, it's a disgrace how it's being run there appears to be corruption from the top down, it's like we are in Gotham without Batman. |  | | |
| Some of us said on 11:43 - Oct 11 with 2274 views | davblue |
| Some of us said on 11:02 - Oct 11 by chicoazul |
Pretty much. Actions have consequences. People consistently think this time it will be good, this time it will work, this time we will get the government we want. The same mistakes again and again. |
The only way this gets better is the Tories being thrown out at the next election.
Im not saying Labour will have all the answers but hopefully there will be some decent people in a new government. | | | |
| Some of us said on 11:46 - Oct 11 with 2226 views | BlueBadger |
| Some of us said on 11:32 - Oct 11 by homer_123 |
So, what you are saying is that we were run by an incompetent buffoon and because Truss et al are worse, we should have stuck with the buffoon?
No sir, you are wrong. We deserve better and, as a result of Truss being worse, we'll get it.
One should never settle for bad because things might be worse, otherwise we should have stuck with Mick? [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 11:32]
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Trouble with Chico is, he's made the error of conflating being a contrarian with being clever. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 13:36]
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| Some of us said on 11:50 - Oct 11 with 2202 views | BlueBadger |
| Some of us said on 11:35 - Oct 11 by bluelagos |
Blimely - I know a lot of readers of Twtd get fed up with plenty of the political threads on here - never realised it's cos of our agitation that things changed though.
All power to Twtd eh :-) |
I'd just like to remind you all here, of the power of TWTD. It was solely thanks to me, Joe, Blootsy, Mullet and GTSB that we now have Kieron McKenna. If it hadn't been for us pointing out on TWTD that Paul Cook was doing a crap job he'd still been a job. | |
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| Some of us said on 11:53 - Oct 11 with 2162 views | BlueBadger |
| Some of us said on 10:59 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Is this some sort of weird I told you so? Boris was so bad, but we should have stuck with him because the alternative Tory government would be even worse. Ok then. |
The 'Lambert Fallacy', it's called, I believe. | |
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| Some of us said on 11:56 - Oct 11 with 2131 views | cooperd5 |
| Some of us said on 11:02 - Oct 11 by chicoazul |
Pretty much. Actions have consequences. People consistently think this time it will be good, this time it will work, this time we will get the government we want. The same mistakes again and again. |
Noone thought it would be good or work, it still needed to change, just like it does now.
A general election is what is required |  | | |
| Some of us said on 12:15 - Oct 11 with 2084 views | Dubtractor |
This is all well and good Chico, but the only reason we have a new tory government, is because the actual tory government decided it was unhappy with Johnson.
A bunch of nob ends on TWTD had precisely nil impact on proceedings. |  |
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| Some of us said on 12:16 - Oct 11 with 2073 views | XYZ |
| Some of us said on 11:46 - Oct 11 by BlueBadger |
Trouble with Chico is, he's made the error of conflating being a contrarian with being clever. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 13:36]
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Occasionally the mask slips and he posts something half sensible.
Rather gives the game away as to the intent behind the other 95% of his posts.
Behavior that is sort of understandable if you're in your early 20s.
He isn't. | | | |
| Some of us said on 12:24 - Oct 11 with 2053 views | WeWereZombies |
| Some of us said on 11:32 - Oct 11 by homer_123 |
So, what you are saying is that we were run by an incompetent buffoon and because Truss et al are worse, we should have stuck with the buffoon?
No sir, you are wrong. We deserve better and, as a result of Truss being worse, we'll get it.
One should never settle for bad because things might be worse, otherwise we should have stuck with Mick? [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 11:32]
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So if Truss is Hurst then we still have the Lambert years and a dose of Paul Cook to look forward to... |  |
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| Some of us said on 12:31 - Oct 11 with 2030 views | chicoazul |
| Some of us said on 11:35 - Oct 11 by bluelagos |
Blimely - I know a lot of readers of Twtd get fed up with plenty of the political threads on here - never realised it's cos of our agitation that things changed though.
All power to Twtd eh :-) |
I don’t understand why people think things will be different or better. These people never learn anything from history. It’s very frustrating but also quite funny. | |
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| Some of us said on 12:45 - Oct 11 with 1958 views | homer_123 |
| Some of us said on 12:24 - Oct 11 by WeWereZombies |
So if Truss is Hurst then we still have the Lambert years and a dose of Paul Cook to look forward to... |
But you don't stick with Hurst, do you? | |
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| Some of us said on 13:14 - Oct 11 with 1862 views | Plums |
| Some of us said on 12:31 - Oct 11 by chicoazul |
I don’t understand why people think things will be different or better. These people never learn anything from history. It’s very frustrating but also quite funny. |
I think many of us have learnt from history which is why persisting with the current foregin funded, neo-fascist version of the Tory party is so unpalatable - regardless of whichever incompetent they have put up as the mouthpiece. |  |
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| Some of us said on 13:14 - Oct 11 with 1859 views | WeWereZombies |
| Some of us said on 12:45 - Oct 11 by homer_123 |
But you don't stick with Hurst, do you? |
I guess not, but is does mean Gove in post almost until the 2024 General Election. And then a few weeks of shouty Braverman... | |
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