| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come 00:01 - Oct 30 with 8465 views | waveneyblue |
Or the absolute frailty of our fanbase....
But the pulling apart of today's performance is off the scale.
It was a freak game, its been a brilliant season, calm the actual fu*k down the lot of you (or the vast majority of you)
Please x [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 0:13]
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| I'm not sure it's how far we've come on 00:03 - Oct 30 with 6802 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’ve been avoiding the forum today tbh - knew it would be unusable. Yeah we are gutted, a great away day ruined but it’s just all OTT. |  | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:37 - Oct 30 with 6608 views | Ryorry |
Much is made on here of awareness re mental health, quite rightly so.
Football & supporting a team is a highly charged & emotional activity, so to be completely wound up, frustrated, disappointed & adrenalin fuelled both immediately and for many hours after a game like yesterday's, comes with the territory, & is not only inevitable, but I'd argue healthy to express - better to let it all out than bottle it all up. Particularly when someone who doesn't even know you tells you to "calm the actual fu*k down". |  |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:54 - Oct 30 with 6590 views | charlie1 |
Without being bothered to google it, I’m pretty sure that there will be very few occasions in the global history of the professional game that a team has won every single game throughout a season.
Draws are to be expected, even the occasional loss.
On balance we have the best side (relative to the league we’re in) for years, best manager for years, best ownership for years, but sometimes, just sometimes, people make mistakes in their day job. Even those who are tearing their hair and wringing their hands on here.
We’ve made massive steps forward. Losing the plot every time there’s a tiny step back won’t help the cause. | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:54 - Oct 30 with 6587 views | TheBoyBlue |
I think from my perspective it's almost a compliment. We've got ourselves in a fantastic position. This a superb squad, the best we've had for years, yet afternoons like this suggest we are hell-bent on throwing it away.
These players are in such a privileged position. They may not think it as like all players they have no real affiliation to this club, certainly not like us. They'll move on, success or not this season. But they are privileged to be able to make a difference to this club and their fans, but the way they have been throwing away leads willy-nilly in recent weeks suggest they're being a bit sloppy with that privilege.
I see some magnificent play, the best I've seen for years at this club, an absolute dream compared to the years under MM, PH, PL and the like. But when it gets tough, I don't see anyone throwing themselves in front of the ball in our box, or busting a gut to keep hold of the ball when the pressure needs taking off. In fact, they're making 'running towards adversity' seem a bit gimmicky when the moment that adversity comes, they completely crumble. Today was appalling twice over.
That said, I'm convinced that KM and the team will work on this over the next fortnight. They did to get some balls when the pressure is on, they need to finish games off when in the ascendancy, or else this promising position they have worked so hard to get to is just going to be wasted. | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 03:54 - Oct 30 with 6504 views | pointofblue |
I wouldn’t call it a brilliant season so far. Leading the way by a comfortable margin is a brilliant season as I’d argue the phrase means above expectations. Considering the amount we spent and players we have on our squad, we’re just about meeting them so far, but no better. And I doubt many would have accepted it if told pre-Bolton that we would be trailing Plymouth by at least one point, if not four, at the end of October. They’re the side who are actually having a brilliant season.
(11 hours on and I’m still fuming about it) | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 06:51 - Oct 30 with 6315 views | Chrisd |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:37 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Much is made on here of awareness re mental health, quite rightly so.
Football & supporting a team is a highly charged & emotional activity, so to be completely wound up, frustrated, disappointed & adrenalin fuelled both immediately and for many hours after a game like yesterday's, comes with the territory, & is not only inevitable, but I'd argue healthy to express - better to let it all out than bottle it all up. Particularly when someone who doesn't even know you tells you to "calm the actual fu*k down". |
Exactly and have an uppie. The nature of the outcome of yesterday’s result the reaction was completely natural and justified. In fact, if there wasn’t disappointment, anger and frustration at the final whistle in how we threw away a two goal lead not once, but twice then I’d be questioning whether they are genuine supporters of the club. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 17:59]
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 07:26 - Oct 30 with 6237 views | blueislander |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 03:54 - Oct 30 by pointofblue |
I wouldn’t call it a brilliant season so far. Leading the way by a comfortable margin is a brilliant season as I’d argue the phrase means above expectations. Considering the amount we spent and players we have on our squad, we’re just about meeting them so far, but no better. And I doubt many would have accepted it if told pre-Bolton that we would be trailing Plymouth by at least one point, if not four, at the end of October. They’re the side who are actually having a brilliant season.
(11 hours on and I’m still fuming about it) |
We are 13 points ahead of the team in 7th place, which at this stage of the season is remarkable. The team is playing very attractive football. We are playing in front of 25,000 + at Portman Road. We have just drawn a game against a team whose home record was pretty good. Sheffield Wednesday just drew a game at home to a very average team . How about a bit of positivity? | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 07:54 - Oct 30 with 6150 views | Churchman |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:54 - Oct 30 by charlie1 |
Without being bothered to google it, I’m pretty sure that there will be very few occasions in the global history of the professional game that a team has won every single game throughout a season.
Draws are to be expected, even the occasional loss.
On balance we have the best side (relative to the league we’re in) for years, best manager for years, best ownership for years, but sometimes, just sometimes, people make mistakes in their day job. Even those who are tearing their hair and wringing their hands on here.
We’ve made massive steps forward. Losing the plot every time there’s a tiny step back won’t help the cause. |
This is spot on.
19 months ago the club was heading for League 2 as sure as the clocks have gone back. Oblivion. Yet here we are having made progress on and off the pitch. We have the most exciting team since GBs 22 years ago, a great manager and a lot to look forward to.
Yesterday was very disappointing because like Sheffield W we should have put the game to bed. We didn’t. A combination of mistakes and a good effort from the opposition put paid to that. Charlton and SW deserve some credit too. It happens. It’s actually part of the magic of the game.
Somehow we live in an age of Football Manager/Fantasy Football where every result has to be Man City-esque. And even they drop points sometimes. The hysterics on here, at the end of 7 points in a week, has been ridiculous. I’ve seen comment suggesting bringing in a defensive coach, changing the defenders for better ones. Jeez.
Part of this is social media of course. After we were hammered at home by Swindon in 91, I don’t remember any of this stuff. I was just as disappointed as yesterday but didn’t question Lyall or the team. We won the following Saturday and the season rolled on. We lost three straight games in November and we still just rolled on finishing as Champions with ease.
McKenna and the players have time to look at themselves and their game management and improve it. Looking at how the club is, they’ll do that alright. People just have to be a little patient and not over react every time things go against us.
We maybe stuck in L1, but we are getting stronger. It’s a long old season and we will get the odd setback. As with all things it’s how we respond that’s the key. It was obvious from the impressive KMs press conference that he gets that. |  | | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 08:38 - Oct 30 with 6043 views | blueislander |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 07:54 - Oct 30 by Churchman |
This is spot on.
19 months ago the club was heading for League 2 as sure as the clocks have gone back. Oblivion. Yet here we are having made progress on and off the pitch. We have the most exciting team since GBs 22 years ago, a great manager and a lot to look forward to.
Yesterday was very disappointing because like Sheffield W we should have put the game to bed. We didn’t. A combination of mistakes and a good effort from the opposition put paid to that. Charlton and SW deserve some credit too. It happens. It’s actually part of the magic of the game.
Somehow we live in an age of Football Manager/Fantasy Football where every result has to be Man City-esque. And even they drop points sometimes. The hysterics on here, at the end of 7 points in a week, has been ridiculous. I’ve seen comment suggesting bringing in a defensive coach, changing the defenders for better ones. Jeez.
Part of this is social media of course. After we were hammered at home by Swindon in 91, I don’t remember any of this stuff. I was just as disappointed as yesterday but didn’t question Lyall or the team. We won the following Saturday and the season rolled on. We lost three straight games in November and we still just rolled on finishing as Champions with ease.
McKenna and the players have time to look at themselves and their game management and improve it. Looking at how the club is, they’ll do that alright. People just have to be a little patient and not over react every time things go against us.
We maybe stuck in L1, but we are getting stronger. It’s a long old season and we will get the odd setback. As with all things it’s how we respond that’s the key. It was obvious from the impressive KMs press conference that he gets that. |
After the Lincoln game which was a much worse result than yesterday there was a clamour for new strikers. Now after yesterday there is a clamour for new defenders. Yep. We need a virtually whole new team | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 08:58 - Oct 30 with 5983 views | 44_not_out |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 07:26 - Oct 30 by blueislander |
We are 13 points ahead of the team in 7th place, which at this stage of the season is remarkable. The team is playing very attractive football. We are playing in front of 25,000 + at Portman Road. We have just drawn a game against a team whose home record was pretty good. Sheffield Wednesday just drew a game at home to a very average team . How about a bit of positivity? |
Still not fully calmed down, however……
We’re averaging 2.17 points per game
Over 46 matches that equates to just over 100 points….. I think we’ll be ok
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 09:14 - Oct 30 with 5928 views | Churchman |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 08:38 - Oct 30 by blueislander |
After the Lincoln game which was a much worse result than yesterday there was a clamour for new strikers. Now after yesterday there is a clamour for new defenders. Yep. We need a virtually whole new team |
Yep, new forwards and new defenders required. And a goalkeeper. Actually, given he’s had 11 months, we need to change the manager too. And the coaches, tea lady and bus driver. Boooooo. Oh and the club badge needs a refresh. It did nothing for us yesterday. | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 09:14 - Oct 30 with 5928 views | waveneyblue |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:37 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Much is made on here of awareness re mental health, quite rightly so.
Football & supporting a team is a highly charged & emotional activity, so to be completely wound up, frustrated, disappointed & adrenalin fuelled both immediately and for many hours after a game like yesterday's, comes with the territory, & is not only inevitable, but I'd argue healthy to express - better to let it all out than bottle it all up. Particularly when someone who doesn't even know you tells you to "calm the actual fu*k down". |
That's an interesting take, I will give you that.
I get the frustration, the anger, irritation etc I totally get it.
What I don't get are the ridiculous comments about needing new defenders, McKenna needs new tactics and ridiculous over reaction after a freak result.
And I'm sorry, but people do need to calm the actual fu*k down, whether you like me saying it or not [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 9:17]
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 09:21 - Oct 30 with 5895 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 08:38 - Oct 30 by blueislander |
After the Lincoln game which was a much worse result than yesterday there was a clamour for new strikers. Now after yesterday there is a clamour for new defenders. Yep. We need a virtually whole new team |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 09:32 - Oct 30 with 5836 views | itfcjoe |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 07:54 - Oct 30 by Churchman |
This is spot on.
19 months ago the club was heading for League 2 as sure as the clocks have gone back. Oblivion. Yet here we are having made progress on and off the pitch. We have the most exciting team since GBs 22 years ago, a great manager and a lot to look forward to.
Yesterday was very disappointing because like Sheffield W we should have put the game to bed. We didn’t. A combination of mistakes and a good effort from the opposition put paid to that. Charlton and SW deserve some credit too. It happens. It’s actually part of the magic of the game.
Somehow we live in an age of Football Manager/Fantasy Football where every result has to be Man City-esque. And even they drop points sometimes. The hysterics on here, at the end of 7 points in a week, has been ridiculous. I’ve seen comment suggesting bringing in a defensive coach, changing the defenders for better ones. Jeez.
Part of this is social media of course. After we were hammered at home by Swindon in 91, I don’t remember any of this stuff. I was just as disappointed as yesterday but didn’t question Lyall or the team. We won the following Saturday and the season rolled on. We lost three straight games in November and we still just rolled on finishing as Champions with ease.
McKenna and the players have time to look at themselves and their game management and improve it. Looking at how the club is, they’ll do that alright. People just have to be a little patient and not over react every time things go against us.
We maybe stuck in L1, but we are getting stronger. It’s a long old season and we will get the odd setback. As with all things it’s how we respond that’s the key. It was obvious from the impressive KMs press conference that he gets that. |
This article is very good, and in particular this bit jumped out at me:
https://theathletic.com/3735883/2022/10/29/premier-league-managers-impatience/
In their book Wiser, Cass Sunstein and Reid Hastie – two academics renowned for their focus on behaviour economics and decision making – showed something interesting about groupthink. They demonstrated that if you form a group of people who all have a similar initial view about a controversial topic and get them to discuss it, by the end of the discussion the group often emerges with a more extreme consensus than the starting point of any individual participant.
This is surely significant in terms of following football online, particularly through social media. If most supporters think that a manager is doing quite a bad job and there are forums for them to constantly discuss it online, they will probably end up thinking that the manager is performing absolutely disastrously, rather than merely quite poorly.
And supporters’ views matter. The period of behind-closed-doors football was significant in this respect, for various reasons.
First, football without fans was bleak, so supporters were praised like never before; their status was enhanced.
Second, among all this, there was the most significant demonstration of fan power imaginable when supporter protests shut down the European Super League movement within days of it being unveiled. “I want to apologise to all the fans and supporters of Liverpool Football Club for the disruption I caused,” said Liverpool owner John Henry. “The project was never going to stand without the support of the fans.” Other owners repeated a similar message.
Third, and most relevantly, there was a major impact from no one being in grounds to voice disapproval about a club’s manager. Only four Premier League managers were sacked all season. That compares with seven the season beforehand and 10 last season. It was the lowest figure since 2011-12.
After 11 games of this season, we’ve already seen five Premier League managers depart (although let’s call it four, since one caused the other – Brighton didn’t want to lose Graham Potter to Chelsea). It wouldn’t be a surprise if it was seven or eight by Christmas. |  |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 10:06 - Oct 30 with 5713 views | N2_Blue |
Have to agree I'm shocked at how upset people seem.
I said before the game i'd probably be fairly happy with a point although i thought it was a game we could win.
Yes the manner of it hurts and the defending poor but we didn't lose, scored 4 great goals and were generally the better side again.
We will make mistakes during the season. I'd rather those mistakes lead to a 4-4 draw than a 3-0 tonking and then i would feel depressed.
Its annoying but October has been a fab month. Need perspective.
I think a result like this will just make the squad more determined. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 10:07]
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 10:32 - Oct 30 with 5611 views | pointofblue |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 10:06 - Oct 30 by N2_Blue |
Have to agree I'm shocked at how upset people seem.
I said before the game i'd probably be fairly happy with a point although i thought it was a game we could win.
Yes the manner of it hurts and the defending poor but we didn't lose, scored 4 great goals and were generally the better side again.
We will make mistakes during the season. I'd rather those mistakes lead to a 4-4 draw than a 3-0 tonking and then i would feel depressed.
Its annoying but October has been a fab month. Need perspective.
I think a result like this will just make the squad more determined. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 10:07]
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I will admit the bizarreness and stupidity of the situation has agitated me more than anything. I doubt I’d be more annoyed if we had narrowly lost 1-0 or 2-1, having trailed in the latter to begin with. It feels like a defeat; like we threw a golden opportunity away.
And, whilst deep down, I appreciate that “these things happen, we learn and move on”, having a sign that the manager and players are angry and hurt by this would help. | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 10:40 - Oct 30 with 5575 views | Vaughan8 |
It's a freak way of how it happened but not the fact we've lost another 2-0 lead......twice in the same game
I can understand people being angry. Let's be honest at 4-2 we all thought it was over.
Emotions flying around I'm not sure what there isn't to understand....?
I'm sure the reaction wouldn't have been a bad if it ended 2-2 [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 10:40]
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 11:03 - Oct 30 with 5505 views | blueislander |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 09:21 - Oct 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
Midfield is ok. |
No. Morsy gets booked every game. Evans is injury prone. Ball is too old, and Humphreys is not strong enough. | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 11:49 - Oct 30 with 5421 views | Ryorry |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 09:14 - Oct 30 by waveneyblue |
That's an interesting take, I will give you that.
I get the frustration, the anger, irritation etc I totally get it.
What I don't get are the ridiculous comments about needing new defenders, McKenna needs new tactics and ridiculous over reaction after a freak result.
And I'm sorry, but people do need to calm the actual fu*k down, whether you like me saying it or not [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 9:17]
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Don't tell me how I should feel, react or behave - that's arrogant, presumptious & absolutely none of your damn business quite frankly.
I do agree that "comments about needing new defenders" are ridiculous though. | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 11:52 - Oct 30 with 5402 views | pointofblue |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 11:49 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Don't tell me how I should feel, react or behave - that's arrogant, presumptious & absolutely none of your damn business quite frankly.
I do agree that "comments about needing new defenders" are ridiculous though. |
I’ll up vote because though, in a fit of pique, I said I wouldn’t care if we sold Woolfenden and Edmundson it was clearly an over-reaction. We won’t get better than them.
Saying that, I do wonder if they’re strong enough as a pair and whether we need to switch one for Keogh or Burgess. | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 12:07 - Oct 30 with 5358 views | Zapers |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 11:49 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Don't tell me how I should feel, react or behave - that's arrogant, presumptious & absolutely none of your damn business quite frankly.
I do agree that "comments about needing new defenders" are ridiculous though. |
When did he say how you should feel? I'm sorry but it doesn't read that way to me. Think he's talking generally. | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 12:11 - Oct 30 with 5345 views | Ryorry |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 07:54 - Oct 30 by Churchman |
This is spot on.
19 months ago the club was heading for League 2 as sure as the clocks have gone back. Oblivion. Yet here we are having made progress on and off the pitch. We have the most exciting team since GBs 22 years ago, a great manager and a lot to look forward to.
Yesterday was very disappointing because like Sheffield W we should have put the game to bed. We didn’t. A combination of mistakes and a good effort from the opposition put paid to that. Charlton and SW deserve some credit too. It happens. It’s actually part of the magic of the game.
Somehow we live in an age of Football Manager/Fantasy Football where every result has to be Man City-esque. And even they drop points sometimes. The hysterics on here, at the end of 7 points in a week, has been ridiculous. I’ve seen comment suggesting bringing in a defensive coach, changing the defenders for better ones. Jeez.
Part of this is social media of course. After we were hammered at home by Swindon in 91, I don’t remember any of this stuff. I was just as disappointed as yesterday but didn’t question Lyall or the team. We won the following Saturday and the season rolled on. We lost three straight games in November and we still just rolled on finishing as Champions with ease.
McKenna and the players have time to look at themselves and their game management and improve it. Looking at how the club is, they’ll do that alright. People just have to be a little patient and not over react every time things go against us.
We maybe stuck in L1, but we are getting stronger. It’s a long old season and we will get the odd setback. As with all things it’s how we respond that’s the key. It was obvious from the impressive KMs press conference that he gets that. |
I agree with most of that, uppied it.
However, one thing that you & several people have mentioned is the "odd setback like this" & reassurance that it'll somehow magically be "all be alright in the end."
I think the main reason for my (& possibly others') reactions (*NB not* "over-reactions") is that we're all to horribly aware it might *not* be alright in the end, we are *not* guaranteed to be in the top two come end of season, and that those two points which slipped off our team's soapy boots & down the drain in the screaming abdabs rocky horror show that was the last 2 mins of yesterday's game, could be the difference between promotion in May 23 & another season in L1, which might mean us sliding backwards again.
Potentially so tantalisingly near, yet so far - it's absolutely of maximum, crucial, key import, & people being very aware of that is why so many of us are (still!) wound up & reacting passionately. | |
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| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 12:22 - Oct 30 with 5317 views | bluefunk |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 10:32 - Oct 30 by pointofblue |
I will admit the bizarreness and stupidity of the situation has agitated me more than anything. I doubt I’d be more annoyed if we had narrowly lost 1-0 or 2-1, having trailed in the latter to begin with. It feels like a defeat; like we threw a golden opportunity away.
And, whilst deep down, I appreciate that “these things happen, we learn and move on”, having a sign that the manager and players are angry and hurt by this would help. |
Exactly what kind of sign are you seeking - if you were there yesterday you would have seen the players reaction at the end of the game, they were visibly shaken, KM said there was a lot of anger in the dressing room, Ball and Edmondson arguing (it looked like over whether we should have send the ball into the corners) - what else would you like? |  | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 12:27 - Oct 30 with 5301 views | Asa |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 01:54 - Oct 30 by charlie1 |
Without being bothered to google it, I’m pretty sure that there will be very few occasions in the global history of the professional game that a team has won every single game throughout a season.
Draws are to be expected, even the occasional loss.
On balance we have the best side (relative to the league we’re in) for years, best manager for years, best ownership for years, but sometimes, just sometimes, people make mistakes in their day job. Even those who are tearing their hair and wringing their hands on here.
We’ve made massive steps forward. Losing the plot every time there’s a tiny step back won’t help the cause. |
I’m trying to remember when, if ever, we last had a team that most people expected to win the league.
Our only First Division title was an underdog story. The 91/92 team wasn’t fancied. Even in the late 90’s we were one of a few teams people thought could do well.
Most of the talk from neutrals seems to be that we will finish above Argyle despite their better start. It’s going to be an enjoyable ride but we are also a third division team. We will have frailties, the biggest seemingly throwing away big leads at Wednesday and Vale and Charlton. | | | |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 12:32 - Oct 30 with 5283 views | pointofblue |
| I'm not sure if it's how far we've come on 12:22 - Oct 30 by bluefunk |
Exactly what kind of sign are you seeking - if you were there yesterday you would have seen the players reaction at the end of the game, they were visibly shaken, KM said there was a lot of anger in the dressing room, Ball and Edmondson arguing (it looked like over whether we should have send the ball into the corners) - what else would you like? |
I guess a bit of passion in the interviews, rather than we make errors and go again, showing that anger and hurt. But, I think I said in my original post, the calm response in the long term is probably the right one - otherwise we’ll be having Cook-like press conferences instead. | |
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