| KVY was quality tonight 21:48 - Nov 7 with 4488 views | GlasgowBlue |
Would like to see him on the right and Davis on the left in the league. |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 21:51 - Nov 7 with 3330 views | Dubtractor |
He was excellent tonight, and I'd be tempted to rest Janoi and give him a game on Saturday.
Just imagine the impact he could have had for us over the last 4 seasons if he could have stayed fit? |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 21:52 - Nov 7 with 3309 views | StokieBlue |
It's hard on him as he simply cannot play on the left as Davis is too good.
Davis is possibly our best player at the moment and the stats around assists and chances bear that out.
He could get a chance on the right though as you say.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 21:52 - Nov 7 with 3289 views | Rozz |
They kept stepping up to him and leaving him acres to run into, but a great performance and that finish for the offside goal was excellent. I always felt he seems to snatch at chances and almost looks too keen to score, but that was very cool. |  | | |
| KVY was quality tonight on 22:05 - Nov 7 with 3147 views | Reuser_is_God |
| KVY was quality tonight on 21:51 - Nov 7 by Dubtractor |
He was excellent tonight, and I'd be tempted to rest Janoi and give him a game on Saturday.
Just imagine the impact he could have had for us over the last 4 seasons if he could have stayed fit? |
Had KVY not had his injuries & maintained his performance level from when he first joined us he’d have left us about 2 years ago. |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 07:27 - Nov 8 with 2881 views | GlasgowBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 21:52 - Nov 7 by StokieBlue |
It's hard on him as he simply cannot play on the left as Davis is too good.
Davis is possibly our best player at the moment and the stats around assists and chances bear that out.
He could get a chance on the right though as you say.
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I’d be tempted to start KVY, Burgess and Humphreys after last night’s performances*.
Keogh and Burgess won everything in the air, something we haven’t been doing lately.
KYV, as per my op, would add a more attacking option down the right side.
Humphreys really pulled the string when he dropped into a deeper role. I’d like to see him play alongside Morsy.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 07:48 - Nov 8 with 2811 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| KVY was quality tonight on 22:05 - Nov 7 by Reuser_is_God |
Had KVY not had his injuries & maintained his performance level from when he first joined us he’d have left us about 2 years ago. |
Vincent-Young was possibly our best performing player in a great start to the season. Memory says it was under Lambert.
He got injured, our form collapsed.
Bad luck for Kane, but also for Lambert. |  | | |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:53 - Nov 8 with 2794 views | StokieBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:27 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I’d be tempted to start KVY, Burgess and Humphreys after last night’s performances*.
Keogh and Burgess won everything in the air, something we haven’t been doing lately.
KYV, as per my op, would add a more attacking option down the right side.
Humphreys really pulled the string when he dropped into a deeper role. I’d like to see him play alongside Morsy.
*Allbeit against inferior opposition. |
Why should Wolf, Evans or Edmundson lose their places?
Both offer defenders more than Burgess when starting attacks, that is more important than winning balls in the air as it's the basis of all our play.
I honestly can't see what others see that Burgess can bring the ball out, he's ponderous coming out of defence when pressed or against better opposition.
I'm not sure you can drop people who are doing well in the league on the basis of a performance against 7th tier opposition, looks totally knee-jerk to me. Wolf, Edmundson and Evans would have been just as good tonight, Bracknell threatened very little, even with aerial balls which were all of awful quality.
Game of opinions I guess but I think that's all really unfair on the players rested today.
SB
Edit: Totally forgot Evans was injured, Humphreys should definitely start ahead of Ball as you say. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:28]
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:00 - Nov 8 with 2749 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:53 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Why should Wolf, Evans or Edmundson lose their places?
Both offer defenders more than Burgess when starting attacks, that is more important than winning balls in the air as it's the basis of all our play.
I honestly can't see what others see that Burgess can bring the ball out, he's ponderous coming out of defence when pressed or against better opposition.
I'm not sure you can drop people who are doing well in the league on the basis of a performance against 7th tier opposition, looks totally knee-jerk to me. Wolf, Edmundson and Evans would have been just as good tonight, Bracknell threatened very little, even with aerial balls which were all of awful quality.
Game of opinions I guess but I think that's all really unfair on the players rested today.
SB
Edit: Totally forgot Evans was injured, Humphreys should definitely start ahead of Ball as you say. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:28]
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Burgess was playing very well before his injury, we’ve been leaking goals for fun since he’s been gone, his inclusion back into the team seems the obvious one.
Not sure I’d start KVY or Humphreys though. |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:11 - Nov 8 with 2699 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:53 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Why should Wolf, Evans or Edmundson lose their places?
Both offer defenders more than Burgess when starting attacks, that is more important than winning balls in the air as it's the basis of all our play.
I honestly can't see what others see that Burgess can bring the ball out, he's ponderous coming out of defence when pressed or against better opposition.
I'm not sure you can drop people who are doing well in the league on the basis of a performance against 7th tier opposition, looks totally knee-jerk to me. Wolf, Edmundson and Evans would have been just as good tonight, Bracknell threatened very little, even with aerial balls which were all of awful quality.
Game of opinions I guess but I think that's all really unfair on the players rested today.
SB
Edit: Totally forgot Evans was injured, Humphreys should definitely start ahead of Ball as you say. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:28]
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I'm guessing partially because we conceded six goals in our last two league games. We've got so much depth in the squad that when things like that happen those who aren't playing will start asking questions.
I said partially. Evans should definitely lose his place because he is injured. Definitely. |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:18 - Nov 8 with 2655 views | FrimleyBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:53 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Why should Wolf, Evans or Edmundson lose their places?
Both offer defenders more than Burgess when starting attacks, that is more important than winning balls in the air as it's the basis of all our play.
I honestly can't see what others see that Burgess can bring the ball out, he's ponderous coming out of defence when pressed or against better opposition.
I'm not sure you can drop people who are doing well in the league on the basis of a performance against 7th tier opposition, looks totally knee-jerk to me. Wolf, Edmundson and Evans would have been just as good tonight, Bracknell threatened very little, even with aerial balls which were all of awful quality.
Game of opinions I guess but I think that's all really unfair on the players rested today.
SB
Edit: Totally forgot Evans was injured, Humphreys should definitely start ahead of Ball as you say. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:28]
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SB. I appreciate both Wolfenden and Edmundson are better with the ball... but I think it's 2 cleansheets only since Burgess got injured.
Is it wise to be playing 2 ball playing cbs in league 1 when you can have a balanced partnership of ball playing alongside no nonsense with height.
Evans is also injured until new year so between Ball and Humphreys, it has to be humphreys imo. |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:20 - Nov 8 with 2636 views | StokieBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:11 - Nov 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I'm guessing partially because we conceded six goals in our last two league games. We've got so much depth in the squad that when things like that happen those who aren't playing will start asking questions.
I said partially. Evans should definitely lose his place because he is injured. Definitely. |
A lot of those goals were conceded when we changed from Wolf and Edmondson that when they were playing, look at the subs against Charlton and the two goals after the a changes.
Fair point on Evans, no objections to Humphreys playing, I do think Wolf and Edmonson should be kept.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:21 - Nov 8 with 2611 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:20 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
A lot of those goals were conceded when we changed from Wolf and Edmondson that when they were playing, look at the subs against Charlton and the two goals after the a changes.
Fair point on Evans, no objections to Humphreys playing, I do think Wolf and Edmonson should be kept.
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I think Edmundson will be out for Burgess come the weekend to be fair. But irrespective of all this, KVY has shown himself more than ready to step in should Burns go to Qatar. | |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:22 - Nov 8 with 2587 views | StokieBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:18 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
SB. I appreciate both Wolfenden and Edmundson are better with the ball... but I think it's 2 cleansheets only since Burgess got injured.
Is it wise to be playing 2 ball playing cbs in league 1 when you can have a balanced partnership of ball playing alongside no nonsense with height.
Evans is also injured until new year so between Ball and Humphreys, it has to be humphreys imo. |
Yes it is wise because we are second in the league, 3rd highest scorers in the country and its vital to the way we play. We have also conceded very few in absolute terms and quite a few of the recent goals were conceded after substitutions were made to sure up the defence.
Context is important here.
Given our position, statistics (which are basically top for everything in the league) and the fact that playing out from the CB is vital to that success I think the clamour to change is bizarre.
We aren't losing matches.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:24 - Nov 8 with 2564 views | StokieBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:21 - Nov 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think Edmundson will be out for Burgess come the weekend to be fair. But irrespective of all this, KVY has shown himself more than ready to step in should Burns go to Qatar. |
That could happen, it would be incredibly harsh on Edmondson. Why not in for Wolf with Edmondson then able to play on his correct side?
KVY was good, would have to be on the right, Davis is nailed on the left.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:28 - Nov 8 with 2521 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:24 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
That could happen, it would be incredibly harsh on Edmondson. Why not in for Wolf with Edmondson then able to play on his correct side?
KVY was good, would have to be on the right, Davis is nailed on the left.
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I think because McKenna clearly prefers Burgess currently SB.
KVY has always played on the right for us since he was signed, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Davis being too good for him to play there, he's only ever played on the left for us as a back up. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:30]
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:29 - Nov 8 with 2514 views | Chrisd |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:53 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Why should Wolf, Evans or Edmundson lose their places?
Both offer defenders more than Burgess when starting attacks, that is more important than winning balls in the air as it's the basis of all our play.
I honestly can't see what others see that Burgess can bring the ball out, he's ponderous coming out of defence when pressed or against better opposition.
I'm not sure you can drop people who are doing well in the league on the basis of a performance against 7th tier opposition, looks totally knee-jerk to me. Wolf, Edmundson and Evans would have been just as good tonight, Bracknell threatened very little, even with aerial balls which were all of awful quality.
Game of opinions I guess but I think that's all really unfair on the players rested today.
SB
Edit: Totally forgot Evans was injured, Humphreys should definitely start ahead of Ball as you say. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:28]
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Disagree with you there. Burgess started quite a lot of attacks with his willingness to bring the ball out from the back last night. Also, his ability to hit a diagonal cross field ball shouldn't be overlooked and the fact he is a natural left footer brings balance to our back line. The importance of being able to win the ball in the air shouldn't be undervalued, it might not be our style of play, but we'll come across plenty of sides in L1 that play directly, it's important we are able to cope with the physical challenge and aerial bombardment, something we have struggled with at times. I'm not suggesting dropping Woolfenden or Edmundson, but I hope Burgess keeps knocking at the door with solid displays like last night to keep the pressure on those two. | |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:31 - Nov 8 with 2415 views | StokieBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:28 - Nov 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think because McKenna clearly prefers Burgess currently SB.
KVY has always played on the right for us since he was signed, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning Davis being too good for him to play there, he's only ever played on the left for us as a back up. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:30]
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Why evidence for your first statement? Edmundson has generally got the nod when both are fit. Guess we will see over the next few matches.
I mentioned the left because KVY played on the left last night and was excellent, but that position isn't available in the team. So that statement he always plays on the right us clearly false as well.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:33 - Nov 8 with 2355 views | StokieBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:29 - Nov 8 by Chrisd |
Disagree with you there. Burgess started quite a lot of attacks with his willingness to bring the ball out from the back last night. Also, his ability to hit a diagonal cross field ball shouldn't be overlooked and the fact he is a natural left footer brings balance to our back line. The importance of being able to win the ball in the air shouldn't be undervalued, it might not be our style of play, but we'll come across plenty of sides in L1 that play directly, it's important we are able to cope with the physical challenge and aerial bombardment, something we have struggled with at times. I'm not suggesting dropping Woolfenden or Edmundson, but I hope Burgess keeps knocking at the door with solid displays like last night to keep the pressure on those two. |
I obviously want him to be knocking on the door and playing well (which he is), I just don't think he's as good as the others for the style we play.
I also think the clamour from some to change is odd given all the metrics in our favour with the current back line.
I may be proven wrong, we will see.
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:42 - Nov 8 with 2293 views | NthQldITFC |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:29 - Nov 8 by Chrisd |
Disagree with you there. Burgess started quite a lot of attacks with his willingness to bring the ball out from the back last night. Also, his ability to hit a diagonal cross field ball shouldn't be overlooked and the fact he is a natural left footer brings balance to our back line. The importance of being able to win the ball in the air shouldn't be undervalued, it might not be our style of play, but we'll come across plenty of sides in L1 that play directly, it's important we are able to cope with the physical challenge and aerial bombardment, something we have struggled with at times. I'm not suggesting dropping Woolfenden or Edmundson, but I hope Burgess keeps knocking at the door with solid displays like last night to keep the pressure on those two. |
I think there's a fine balance to this particular discussion, and that you've got it bang on. Horses for courses situation for me. I'd generally favour Edmundson's ball playing abilities, but Burgess's aerial dominance (e.g. against big teams that get a lot of corners), left-sidedness and his crossfield balls give him an edge in certain scenarios.
Don't see any reason not to have a little rotation between these two, and it keeps them both fresh for when one or the other get injured.
Woolfy is a nailed on starter for me, real class. JD probably too - and JD seems to be getting faster and faster the older he gets! |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:44 - Nov 8 with 2289 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:31 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Why evidence for your first statement? Edmundson has generally got the nod when both are fit. Guess we will see over the next few matches.
I mentioned the left because KVY played on the left last night and was excellent, but that position isn't available in the team. So that statement he always plays on the right us clearly false as well.
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I like you SB, I really do. But you seem a bit fraught this morning.
Edmundson started the season, but was then dropped to the bench in favour of Burgess after two games, then McK rotated between Fridge and Burgess until the game against Northampton when McK seemed to stick with Burgess and leave Fridge benched. Burgess had his eye stoved in against Bristol Rovers in Mid September and Fridge has been there since. But all the signs have been that McKenna had settled on that back three until the Burgess injury.
In either case no, Edmundson has not 'got the nod' when both are fit, its been cycled between the two of them
KVY has always played on the right for us. He played there when he first signed and was great, until he got injured, when ever he came back, he played there again. Are you basing your whole argument for KVY on the left in place of Davis on one FA Cup game?
Like I said, you seem particularly argumentative this morning. So now doubt there will be a 'NO! SB is right post", to follow this up. So I'm out. It doesn't matter anyway, neither of us pick the team. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:46]
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| KVY was quality tonight on 08:54 - Nov 8 with 2230 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:29 - Nov 8 by Chrisd |
Disagree with you there. Burgess started quite a lot of attacks with his willingness to bring the ball out from the back last night. Also, his ability to hit a diagonal cross field ball shouldn't be overlooked and the fact he is a natural left footer brings balance to our back line. The importance of being able to win the ball in the air shouldn't be undervalued, it might not be our style of play, but we'll come across plenty of sides in L1 that play directly, it's important we are able to cope with the physical challenge and aerial bombardment, something we have struggled with at times. I'm not suggesting dropping Woolfenden or Edmundson, but I hope Burgess keeps knocking at the door with solid displays like last night to keep the pressure on those two. |
I agree with this. I don't know if anyone has the stats, but I would imagine Burgess had more time on the ball last night than any other player (possibly even including the goalkeepers).
In the first half I felt he was a bit indecisive and he was responsible for slowing play down somewhat, in the second I felt he got the ball moving up the pitch much better as he brought the ball out. Now whether that was due to him growing in confidence, or Bracknell tiring, I dont know, but it definitely meant we were more potent as a result. | | | |
| KVY was quality tonight on 09:03 - Nov 8 with 2205 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:22 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Yes it is wise because we are second in the league, 3rd highest scorers in the country and its vital to the way we play. We have also conceded very few in absolute terms and quite a few of the recent goals were conceded after substitutions were made to sure up the defence.
Context is important here.
Given our position, statistics (which are basically top for everything in the league) and the fact that playing out from the CB is vital to that success I think the clamour to change is bizarre.
We aren't losing matches.
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I actually thought Burgess looked very calm and collected on the ball last night, bringing it forward when unchallenged and finding a pass.
May be too early to start him at the weekend as it was only his first game back last night, but I would imagine Fridge will drop back out again soon for him.
Plus he is just immense in the air! | |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 09:14 - Nov 8 with 2179 views | GlasgowBlue |
| KVY was quality tonight on 07:53 - Nov 8 by StokieBlue |
Why should Wolf, Evans or Edmundson lose their places?
Both offer defenders more than Burgess when starting attacks, that is more important than winning balls in the air as it's the basis of all our play.
I honestly can't see what others see that Burgess can bring the ball out, he's ponderous coming out of defence when pressed or against better opposition.
I'm not sure you can drop people who are doing well in the league on the basis of a performance against 7th tier opposition, looks totally knee-jerk to me. Wolf, Edmundson and Evans would have been just as good tonight, Bracknell threatened very little, even with aerial balls which were all of awful quality.
Game of opinions I guess but I think that's all really unfair on the players rested today.
SB
Edit: Totally forgot Evans was injured, Humphreys should definitely start ahead of Ball as you say. [Post edited 8 Nov 2022 8:28]
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Because in the last couple of league games we have been very vulnerable in the air. Teams are starting to exploit that.
Edmunson showed his attacking quality as soon as he got back in the team against Sheffield Wednesday when his trademark run set up Jackson’s goal.
However, it can’t be ignored that our impressive defensive record dropped once Burgess got injured. | |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 09:18 - Nov 8 with 2163 views | DanTheMan |
| KVY was quality tonight on 09:14 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Because in the last couple of league games we have been very vulnerable in the air. Teams are starting to exploit that.
Edmunson showed his attacking quality as soon as he got back in the team against Sheffield Wednesday when his trademark run set up Jackson’s goal.
However, it can’t be ignored that our impressive defensive record dropped once Burgess got injured. |
I'm somewhat in agreement, I think the balance is somewhat off. Burgess is not as good at the attacking side of the game but we've got enough players in defence now who can carry the ball and we're getting enough goals.
Tightening up the defence at the expense of a small amount of attacking I think is a decent compromise.
As for Humphreys and KVY I think they're going to struggle to get in except in rotation. That said, what two great options we have there for when people need a rest, especially if we get a couple of cup runs going. |  |
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| KVY was quality tonight on 09:20 - Nov 8 with 2155 views | itfcjoe |
| KVY was quality tonight on 08:00 - Nov 8 by Wallingford_Boy |
Burgess was playing very well before his injury, we’ve been leaking goals for fun since he’s been gone, his inclusion back into the team seems the obvious one.
Not sure I’d start KVY or Humphreys though. |
We have been scoring more as well as leaking more since Burgess not played so swings and roundabouts.
We had a great October with Woolf and Fridge at the back and I love the way they play when we pen teams in by just nicking the ball and allowing us to pile the pressure on - Burgess being fit will help us see out games as think he's prob better suited for that role than Keogh |  |
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