| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? 11:06 - Nov 8 with 5153 views | tractorboy1978 |
“I do know we haven’t had a penalty this season, I do know there was an incredible amount of noise made last weekend about the giving of a free-kick outside our box [George Edmundson’s challenge on Mustapha Bundu during the Plymouth match] and the follow-up process to that was a bit of a learning education for me"
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:09 - Nov 8 with 5079 views | FrimleyBlue |
Could Plymouth have tried to get retrospective punishment on edmundson ala Accrington and Morsy. Obviously different cases and not similar in anyway, but could a club try and get a retrospective red after the game? |  |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:12 - Nov 8 with 5058 views | TractorCam |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:09 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Could Plymouth have tried to get retrospective punishment on edmundson ala Accrington and Morsy. Obviously different cases and not similar in anyway, but could a club try and get a retrospective red after the game? |
Only if it's violent conduct. |  |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:12 - Nov 8 with 5059 views | SomethingBlue |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:09 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Could Plymouth have tried to get retrospective punishment on edmundson ala Accrington and Morsy. Obviously different cases and not similar in anyway, but could a club try and get a retrospective red after the game? |
No, it wasn't violent conduct of any type, just a slightly mistimed tackle at worst. Impossible to challenge afterwards unless it was a horrible off the ball hack that the ref didn't notice at the time. McKenna will just mean the fuss Plymouth made, which I imagine carried on long after full time and probably involved giving the officials hell in a way we don't. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 11:13]
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:23 - Nov 8 with 4955 views | Herbivore |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:12 - Nov 8 by SomethingBlue |
No, it wasn't violent conduct of any type, just a slightly mistimed tackle at worst. Impossible to challenge afterwards unless it was a horrible off the ball hack that the ref didn't notice at the time. McKenna will just mean the fuss Plymouth made, which I imagine carried on long after full time and probably involved giving the officials hell in a way we don't. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 11:13]
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Yep, I read it as referring to Plymouth pissing their pants over what was actually not a bad decision by the ref. The amount of fuss they made when the replays suggest it was a dive was quite something and very different from how we quietly accept absolute stonewall penalties not going our way. Mostly it's not hurt us this season but it did last night. |  |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:36 - Nov 8 with 4910 views | EastTownBlue |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:12 - Nov 8 by SomethingBlue |
No, it wasn't violent conduct of any type, just a slightly mistimed tackle at worst. Impossible to challenge afterwards unless it was a horrible off the ball hack that the ref didn't notice at the time. McKenna will just mean the fuss Plymouth made, which I imagine carried on long after full time and probably involved giving the officials hell in a way we don't. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 11:13]
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The Championship referees manager was at that Plymouth match so they certainly had the opportunity. | | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 12:07 - Nov 8 with 4801 views | Illinoisblue |
You can tell by the way he’s worded that statement that’s he’s angry. And that can only be good news for us if it makes him ever more determined to succeed. |  |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 12:18 - Nov 8 with 4699 views | Buhrer |
"We should have actually had two, and Schumachers a cry baby" |  | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 12:21 - Nov 8 with 4675 views | SE1blue |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:12 - Nov 8 by SomethingBlue |
No, it wasn't violent conduct of any type, just a slightly mistimed tackle at worst. Impossible to challenge afterwards unless it was a horrible off the ball hack that the ref didn't notice at the time. McKenna will just mean the fuss Plymouth made, which I imagine carried on long after full time and probably involved giving the officials hell in a way we don't. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 11:13]
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Agree.
McKenna always strikes me as an intelligence level above most of those involved in football. He can make very careful and considered comments whilst the dust is still settling on a match. A lot of others would’ve expressed their feelings in light of a disappointing result (and refereeing) less candidly.
Thankfully, he’ll just focus on the football and not the side dramas. |  |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:21 - Nov 8 with 4432 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 11:23 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
Yep, I read it as referring to Plymouth pissing their pants over what was actually not a bad decision by the ref. The amount of fuss they made when the replays suggest it was a dive was quite something and very different from how we quietly accept absolute stonewall penalties not going our way. Mostly it's not hurt us this season but it did last night. |
Not to bring up an old debate.
But it was a foul and Edmundson got away with one. We would be raging as well if that was us. |  |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:26 - Nov 8 with 4383 views | Herbivore |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:21 - Nov 8 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Not to bring up an old debate.
But it was a foul and Edmundson got away with one. We would be raging as well if that was us. |
Completely disagree. Their player threw himself to ground and any minimal contact between the two was the result of him going to ground, not the cause of it. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 13:27]
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:37 - Nov 8 with 4310 views | tractorboy1978 |
"Kevin Friend has no friends" as the great Bryan Knights once said. | | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:38 - Nov 8 with 4307 views | EastTownBlue |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:37 - Nov 8 by tractorboy1978 |
"Kevin Friend has no friends" as the great Bryan Knights once said. |
We had a couple of matches at Home Park where we had issues with him. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 13:39]
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:41 - Nov 8 with 4294 views | Herbivore |
Heck of an overreaction to what was (a) not even a foul, (b) probably outside the box, and (c) not really a clear goalscoring opportunity. Whether their flouncing will do them any favours in the long run we'll see, but we've had much more clearcut infringements in the box not given our way and we've managed to show a bit of class about it. | |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:42 - Nov 8 with 4280 views | BigCommon |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 12:21 - Nov 8 by SE1blue |
Agree.
McKenna always strikes me as an intelligence level above most of those involved in football. He can make very careful and considered comments whilst the dust is still settling on a match. A lot of others would’ve expressed their feelings in light of a disappointing result (and refereeing) less candidly.
Thankfully, he’ll just focus on the football and not the side dramas. |
I think he likes to draw a line, not dwell on any negatives and move straight on to prepping and concentrating on the next fixture.... It annoys me a little, when the pre match interviews are mostly questions about the previous game, and not the game ahead.. I'm sure KM and the players would have cleared their heads moved on by a few days, by the time these questions are asked... Not ideal, to drag someone backwards, imo. Quite stupid, in fact. |  | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:50 - Nov 8 with 4210 views | PhilTWTD |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:38 - Nov 8 by EastTownBlue |
We had a couple of matches at Home Park where we had issues with him. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 13:39]
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Sent Fabian Wilnis off there on an annual basis. Following our experiences, I once did a piece where I compared the number of yellow cards he showed over the course of a season to home players and away and there was an enormous disparity. |  | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:55 - Nov 8 with 4161 views | OldFart71 |
Tbh it won't make one iota of difference if a manage critisises a Ref about a decision or decisions. The result will stay the same and the club will be fined and the manager may get a touchline ban. We all know that whilst it's not an easy job being a ref many don't have a clue. VAR is controversial in itself and whatever anyone says is still open to the opinion and bias of officials. Last nights decisions highlight where a ref gets two penalty decisions wrong, a trip and a handball. Perhaps if Hirst hadn't gone down in the manner he did it would have been given ? As for the handball VAR would I suggest give that in 9 out of 10 times. But it's water under the bridge and if you can't defend then you get found out. It was a game we could and should have won after a wobbly start yet again. Why we are so slow out of the blocks who knows. | | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 18:55 - Nov 8 with 3802 views | rkc123 |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:21 - Nov 8 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Not to bring up an old debate.
But it was a foul and Edmundson got away with one. We would be raging as well if that was us. |
I agree with this, it doesn't matter now, and I greatly enjoyed it at the time, but I thought it was quite clear when slowed down Edmundson caught him. It was very slight, and it was after the point where he looked like he made contact originally (not foot to front front, but Edmundson's thigh to trailing leg), but it just looked clear to me. Also I am not sure if anyone has ever had their heel clipped when sprinting, but it does only take minimal contact to trip you.
Edit - The foul on Hirst yesterday was far clearer by the way, and I think it says a lot about the two clubs that McKenna has basically taken the poor decisions last night as just one of those things, whereas Plymouth and Schumacher were almost suggesting it was such a travesty that the game should be replayed. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 18:59]
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 18:56 - Nov 8 with 3790 views | Herbivore |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 18:55 - Nov 8 by rkc123 |
I agree with this, it doesn't matter now, and I greatly enjoyed it at the time, but I thought it was quite clear when slowed down Edmundson caught him. It was very slight, and it was after the point where he looked like he made contact originally (not foot to front front, but Edmundson's thigh to trailing leg), but it just looked clear to me. Also I am not sure if anyone has ever had their heel clipped when sprinting, but it does only take minimal contact to trip you.
Edit - The foul on Hirst yesterday was far clearer by the way, and I think it says a lot about the two clubs that McKenna has basically taken the poor decisions last night as just one of those things, whereas Plymouth and Schumacher were almost suggesting it was such a travesty that the game should be replayed. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 18:59]
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Especially if you're already falling over trying to buy a penalty. | |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 19:07 - Nov 8 with 3721 views | rkc123 |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 18:56 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
Especially if you're already falling over trying to buy a penalty. |
I don't see it. I had to watch it again just now to see if I misremembered it, but he isn't on his way down before where he seems to be tapped; it looks as if he's going to take another touch into the box, but the slight contact means his foot comes through and misses the ball, and then he goes to ground. Anyway it doesn't matter either way, just my opinion on it, and as I said even if it was a foul it was far less of a howler than what we were on the receiving end of yesterday. | | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 19:24 - Nov 8 with 3630 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Blimey! A lot of that seems borderline rule breaking. |  | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 21:11 - Nov 8 with 3343 views | Facefacts |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 19:07 - Nov 8 by rkc123 |
I don't see it. I had to watch it again just now to see if I misremembered it, but he isn't on his way down before where he seems to be tapped; it looks as if he's going to take another touch into the box, but the slight contact means his foot comes through and misses the ball, and then he goes to ground. Anyway it doesn't matter either way, just my opinion on it, and as I said even if it was a foul it was far less of a howler than what we were on the receiving end of yesterday. |
Refereeing is a nightmare. Well done to the ref who had a bit of doubt in his mind and didn't give the foul against Fridge. In real time It is not an exact science. Plymouth (Schumacher, Whittaker, Mumba, the guy who was on the way down and felt a touch) and the rest - whoever made the comment about one of their players that they "can get up off the floor now" was right) can f... off. Schumacher and Friend, reminds me of Sir Alex Fergie Time Ferguson and Keith Hackett. "That was a f******* terrible decision Keith". "Yes, Alex (yawn)."
Last night - the referee didn't seem to be busting a gut to keep up with play, and he didn't seem very near any of the 'stonewall' pens.
I can just imagine how theatrically someone like Luis Suarez would have gone down under the same challenge as George Hirst when his standing leg was taken away. He would already have been appealing over his shoulder, knowing where the ref was, whilst still on the way falling to the ground. Sometimes you have to give the ref a hand to make him make his mind up. Probably better to think of a player of the same stature of George Hirst, higher centre of gravity, it is harder to be spontaneous, do the Maradona hand of God moment, as cheating is in those guys' veins, it's borderline inborn. Do we want our players to be like that?
The one where it hits the defender's arm would only be given in the Premier League, according to IW on TownTV, as they've got themselves into the position with VAR that any 'ball to (nearby) hand' is a pen. I like VAR but it has ruined defending in the penalty area. So if you are going out to challenge the striker on his way into the box you have to have your hands behind your back. |  | | |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 21:29 - Nov 8 with 3286 views | USA |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 19:07 - Nov 8 by rkc123 |
I don't see it. I had to watch it again just now to see if I misremembered it, but he isn't on his way down before where he seems to be tapped; it looks as if he's going to take another touch into the box, but the slight contact means his foot comes through and misses the ball, and then he goes to ground. Anyway it doesn't matter either way, just my opinion on it, and as I said even if it was a foul it was far less of a howler than what we were on the receiving end of yesterday. |
He throws out that right foot and is on his way down way before the minuscule touch. Dive. | |
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 21:33 - Nov 8 with 3271 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 19:07 - Nov 8 by rkc123 |
I don't see it. I had to watch it again just now to see if I misremembered it, but he isn't on his way down before where he seems to be tapped; it looks as if he's going to take another touch into the box, but the slight contact means his foot comes through and misses the ball, and then he goes to ground. Anyway it doesn't matter either way, just my opinion on it, and as I said even if it was a foul it was far less of a howler than what we were on the receiving end of yesterday. |
There’s one angle especially that makes it pretty clear that he dived, imo. It wasn’t the most obvious dive you’ll see though, which is probably why he escaped a yellow. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 21:34]
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| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 21:55 - Nov 8 with 3173 views | stonojnr |
| What does McKenna mean re 'follow up process' here then? on 13:41 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
Heck of an overreaction to what was (a) not even a foul, (b) probably outside the box, and (c) not really a clear goalscoring opportunity. Whether their flouncing will do them any favours in the long run we'll see, but we've had much more clearcut infringements in the box not given our way and we've managed to show a bit of class about it. |
there was no probably about it, even if it was a foul, which I personally would dispute but I accept others may still view it differently, it was absolutely outside the box, for me theres no question mark on that at all. | | | |
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