| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 06:04 - Feb 16 with 3261 views | Coastalblue |
Nice to see the Tories take a kicking regardless, but the turnout shows the level of engagement people have at the moment, something has to change in this country. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 07:42 - Feb 16 with 3156 views | Herbivore |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 06:04 - Feb 16 by Coastalblue |
Nice to see the Tories take a kicking regardless, but the turnout shows the level of engagement people have at the moment, something has to change in this country. |
Yep. People are disillusioned with the Tories in particular but there is a more general malaise about the state of the country and the state of politics that is also worrying. Labour aren't necessarily winning hearts and minds, they are the beneficiaries of a despised Tory government that has systematically destroyed the country over the last 14 years. I'm struggling to see how Labour will tackle the more general cynicism and disengagement from politics given they aren't exactly promising much in the way of change. It doesn't help that we have a large swathe of mass media in this country whose sole aim is to sow division and push the narrow interests of their super rich, Tory supporting owners. It makes serious engagement with politics almost impossible for many people. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 08:38 - Feb 16 with 3051 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm sure this has been pointed out elsewhere but when her country needed her, Gen Kitchen stood up and was counted. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 09:01 - Feb 16 with 2974 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Politicians of all colours are paying the price for their short-termist actions. They are now trying to enact policies which are potentially going to leave people poorer in order to reach, or at least attempt to reach net zero. All in the midst of the worst cost of living crisis I can remember. Had they had the foresight to push for renewable energy years back we might have averted the worst of the commodity price rises. Instead Europeans (particularly the Germans) sold their soul to Putin for cheap gas.
What a mess. |  | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 09:04 - Feb 16 with 2966 views | Churchman |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 07:42 - Feb 16 by Herbivore |
Yep. People are disillusioned with the Tories in particular but there is a more general malaise about the state of the country and the state of politics that is also worrying. Labour aren't necessarily winning hearts and minds, they are the beneficiaries of a despised Tory government that has systematically destroyed the country over the last 14 years. I'm struggling to see how Labour will tackle the more general cynicism and disengagement from politics given they aren't exactly promising much in the way of change. It doesn't help that we have a large swathe of mass media in this country whose sole aim is to sow division and push the narrow interests of their super rich, Tory supporting owners. It makes serious engagement with politics almost impossible for many people. |
It has to be remembered that governments lose elections. Opposition don’t win them. A cliche but broadly correct.
The first thing a new government could do is to try tell the truth. If they can’t do that, say nothing. A shocking idea, I know, since we’ve grown used to lies heaped upon lies dressed up in smart suits and ‘knowing’ grins while they raid the till. How can anyone not at the trough (most of us) engage with the current way politics is conducted?
Secondly, aims. The last 14 years have been about redistribution of wealth from the poorest to the wealthiest. The poor deserve it. The rich deserve it because they are born to rule and can charitably dispense wealth to the lesser people through trickle down economics. They are better people.
The last 14 years have also been about dismantling society. The hated welfare state. The loathed public sector. The ‘dead hand’. Get rid of it, just as Frances Maude promised on his first day in Cabinet Office. If you want it. Pay for it. Work harder. Second job. Poor? You deal with it, your problem, don’t call me. Look after number one.
All absolute madness. If the Labour Party have the slightest intent to govern in the interests of the people (even a shred), they’ll be better than their predecessors. That’s regardless of their competence which I have my doubts about. Hopefully people will see that and become more engaged. There are many wonderful people in this country. I’ve met them in recent months. I don’t think it’ll take too much to engage them a little.
Your second to last sentence is possibly the biggest blocker to change. The world is not as these a’holes present it, but it is in the nature of people to believe what they hear and read and these rectums know it. |  | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 09:37 - Feb 16 with 2875 views | Guthrum |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 06:04 - Feb 16 by Coastalblue |
Nice to see the Tories take a kicking regardless, but the turnout shows the level of engagement people have at the moment, something has to change in this country. |
Not entirely. By-election turnouts almost always are about half to two-thirds of those in a General Election. 35-40% is entirely consistent with that.
Probably because there is not the possibility of actually overturning - or upholding - the existing government. People vote for the party to be in power, not the representative they're sending to Parliament. Which is why we end up with so many shysters and loons who just happen to be wearing particular colours of rosette. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 10:11 - Feb 16 with 2821 views | Guthrum |
In tough economic times, the electorate always drifts to the right. Probably because the left don't control enough of the media to steer them that way instead. | |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 10:50 - Feb 16 with 2766 views | baxterbasics |
No surprises on the turnover given the way the polls and the national mood are looking.
Think the one thing to note from the results is the strong performance of Reform - that's what should be giving the conservatives the real headache. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:22 - Feb 16 with 2698 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 10:50 - Feb 16 by baxterbasics |
No surprises on the turnover given the way the polls and the national mood are looking.
Think the one thing to note from the results is the strong performance of Reform - that's what should be giving the conservatives the real headache. |
Tories party line this morning appears to be "if you add Reform plus Tories together we win"
It's like saying you are the tallest in the class because you stand on someone else's shoulders and continuing to believe that counts. |  | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:25 - Feb 16 with 2686 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 10:11 - Feb 16 by Guthrum |
In tough economic times, the electorate always drifts to the right. Probably because the left don't control enough of the media to steer them that way instead. |
Fun irrelevant fact - Bruce Springsteen says his music always becomes more popular during tough times too. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:28 - Feb 16 with 2663 views | itfcjoe |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:22 - Feb 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Tories party line this morning appears to be "if you add Reform plus Tories together we win"
It's like saying you are the tallest in the class because you stand on someone else's shoulders and continuing to believe that counts. |
If you added Tories and Reform together they'd have got more than Labout by 76 votes....quite a stretch to suggest that basically every single Reform voter would go to the Tories |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:35 - Feb 16 with 2619 views | baxterbasics |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:22 - Feb 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Tories party line this morning appears to be "if you add Reform plus Tories together we win"
It's like saying you are the tallest in the class because you stand on someone else's shoulders and continuing to believe that counts. |
Same logic as those that look at polls and shout "progressive alliance" because the Lab/LD/Green total adds up to more than the tories. Silly both ways. | |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:52 - Feb 16 with 2599 views | OldFart71 |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 07:42 - Feb 16 by Herbivore |
Yep. People are disillusioned with the Tories in particular but there is a more general malaise about the state of the country and the state of politics that is also worrying. Labour aren't necessarily winning hearts and minds, they are the beneficiaries of a despised Tory government that has systematically destroyed the country over the last 14 years. I'm struggling to see how Labour will tackle the more general cynicism and disengagement from politics given they aren't exactly promising much in the way of change. It doesn't help that we have a large swathe of mass media in this country whose sole aim is to sow division and push the narrow interests of their super rich, Tory supporting owners. It makes serious engagement with politics almost impossible for many people. |
You ain't kiddin there's a malaise. Politics are in the gutter. Fuelled by money grabbing politicians with their snouts in every trough available whilst taxing us at the highest rate ever and leaving the personal allowance at a miserly £12,570 until 2028. This affects low earners and pensioners receiving less than £2,000 on top of their State pension into paying tax. I already decided after the Triple Lock was abandoned in tax year 2021/22 giving pensioners a 3.1% increase when inflation reached 11%. The State Pension is based on 2.5%. or inflation or wage increases. The Government deemed pay rises were around 8%, which they never were, i believe they reached 6%. So they reverted to the inflation figure. This was massaged to produce the 3.1%, why do I say that, well Augusts inflation was 3.4% and Octobers was 4.2% so the September 2020 figure was the lowest they could achieve and has not been lower since then. So I and the missus won't be voting when the next General Election comes as I have no faith in those currently in power and I don't see any of the others being much better. | | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 12:01 - Feb 16 with 2585 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:28 - Feb 16 by itfcjoe |
If you added Tories and Reform together they'd have got more than Labout by 76 votes....quite a stretch to suggest that basically every single Reform voter would go to the Tories |
The other defence appears to be Labour 'lost' 5,000 votes compared to 2019.
Turnout was something like 35% vs 71%.
Of course there are fewer votes. | | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 12:13 - Feb 16 with 2562 views | BlueForYou |
Reform are interesting. Are British Politics starting to fragment? I can seriously see the left ceding from Labour to form their own party in the future. |  | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 12:21 - Feb 16 with 2544 views | mylittletown |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 07:42 - Feb 16 by Herbivore |
Yep. People are disillusioned with the Tories in particular but there is a more general malaise about the state of the country and the state of politics that is also worrying. Labour aren't necessarily winning hearts and minds, they are the beneficiaries of a despised Tory government that has systematically destroyed the country over the last 14 years. I'm struggling to see how Labour will tackle the more general cynicism and disengagement from politics given they aren't exactly promising much in the way of change. It doesn't help that we have a large swathe of mass media in this country whose sole aim is to sow division and push the narrow interests of their super rich, Tory supporting owners. It makes serious engagement with politics almost impossible for many people. |
I think that we are reaching, maybe have already reached, the stage where intelligent, balanced and caring people are not going to go into politics. |  | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 13:50 - Feb 16 with 2464 views | factual_blue |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 12:13 - Feb 16 by BlueForYou |
Reform are interesting. Are British Politics starting to fragment? I can seriously see the left ceding from Labour to form their own party in the future. |
*Is British politics*
Your welcome. |  |
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| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 14:07 - Feb 16 with 2438 views | peterleeblue |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 11:52 - Feb 16 by OldFart71 |
You ain't kiddin there's a malaise. Politics are in the gutter. Fuelled by money grabbing politicians with their snouts in every trough available whilst taxing us at the highest rate ever and leaving the personal allowance at a miserly £12,570 until 2028. This affects low earners and pensioners receiving less than £2,000 on top of their State pension into paying tax. I already decided after the Triple Lock was abandoned in tax year 2021/22 giving pensioners a 3.1% increase when inflation reached 11%. The State Pension is based on 2.5%. or inflation or wage increases. The Government deemed pay rises were around 8%, which they never were, i believe they reached 6%. So they reverted to the inflation figure. This was massaged to produce the 3.1%, why do I say that, well Augusts inflation was 3.4% and Octobers was 4.2% so the September 2020 figure was the lowest they could achieve and has not been lower since then. So I and the missus won't be voting when the next General Election comes as I have no faith in those currently in power and I don't see any of the others being much better. |
Well old fart.....
1. If you don't vote then you cannot complain what befalls you next.
2. Do you not agree that service people died for your right to a democratic society? The Vote is your only voice.
3. People NOT voting is why we got B*****T - The generator of the current malaise and the driver that has created the division that Labour are struggling to bring together. Hence their lack of clear policy and plan. |  | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 14:12 - Feb 16 with 2427 views | mylittletown |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 14:07 - Feb 16 by peterleeblue |
Well old fart.....
1. If you don't vote then you cannot complain what befalls you next.
2. Do you not agree that service people died for your right to a democratic society? The Vote is your only voice.
3. People NOT voting is why we got B*****T - The generator of the current malaise and the driver that has created the division that Labour are struggling to bring together. Hence their lack of clear policy and plan. |
Well said.
My grandmother used to get furious with people who didn't bother to vote. She only got the vote when she was 28 years of age.
Personally I think that voting should be compulsory, as in Australia, although there are possible downsides..... | | | |
| Labour turn over large Con majorities on 14:23 - Feb 16 with 2413 views | eireblue |
Is it really still mid-term, surely in the fourth quarter. |  | | |
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