| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" 08:46 - Nov 13 with 3044 views | Guthrum |
until things stop functioning and you realise what it was created for in the first place.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/12/trump-appoints-elon-musk-governm
People laud entrepreneurs, but they're mostly just salespeople who are good at borrowing money to get their ideas off the ground, then flog their businesses to people who are actually good at running them. Often at the first opportunity, before attempting to repeat the trick. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 08:54 - Nov 13 with 2803 views | Dubtractor |
Also, in reality, cutting 'bureaucracy' means cutting public services.
It's a lovely soundbite, but look what 14 years of 'increased efficiency' has done to public services here. [Post edited 13 Nov 2024 8:56]
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 08:55 - Nov 13 with 2794 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Given that he’s sacked employees by Twitter, and had others sleeping in the office to work unhealthy amounts of hours, this is not good news for US government workers.
It’s dystopian stuff having a billionaire that close to government departments, it’s also a massive conflict of interest of course with Musk’s business interests. Clearly Trump is looking to replicate the powerful oligarchs running Russia! For most high-ranking private sector jobs you have to have background checks, clearly not a problem in the US public sector given Trump’s convictions, and Musk’s SEC charges… |  | | |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:08 - Nov 13 with 2722 views | Help |
Let's see how many Americans are better off in 4 years time. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:10 - Nov 13 with 2711 views | Guthrum |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:08 - Nov 13 by Help |
Let's see how many Americans are better off in 4 years time. |
All the ones for whom regulations cramp their rapacious* dreams.
* Or vainglorious. | |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:12 - Nov 13 with 2699 views | reusersfreekicks |
His appointments are terrifying this time around. All those using his last term in office to say he won't do much harm (and he did anyway) are in for a horrible surprise.
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:22 - Nov 13 with 2633 views | Kievthegreat |
There is a certain irony in creating a new bureaucracy to slash bureaucracy.
However in reality it will be deregulation and Austerity on steroids.
Also a fun picture of Elon and Trump.
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:35 - Nov 13 with 2572 views | itfcjoe |
At Twitter he just cut massive parts of the business, and if they failed re just reinstated them - hard to do in a Govt dept |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:52 - Nov 13 with 2506 views | BloomBlue |
It depends on where that bureaucracy exists. Many companies have too many people at a certain level, they become bloated at that level. I'm sure the public sector is the same.
The shape of an organisation is invariably a pyramid shape, I worked in a few companies where the pyramid was bloated in one area, predominantly the section classed as middle mgmt.
Now is that because of bureaucracy (paperwork for want of a better word) or because of the bureaucracy of headcount, ie the company feels it requires more people at that level. In my experience it's a bit of both and losing headcount in that situation doesn't impact the overall performance/function but results in savings.
Unfortunately as humans we hate change, when we talk about changing something people maon about 'but we've always done it that way' and think it will fail if we change it. If you change it correctly it never does fail. |  | | |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 10:15 - Nov 13 with 2404 views | reusersfreekicks |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:52 - Nov 13 by BloomBlue |
It depends on where that bureaucracy exists. Many companies have too many people at a certain level, they become bloated at that level. I'm sure the public sector is the same.
The shape of an organisation is invariably a pyramid shape, I worked in a few companies where the pyramid was bloated in one area, predominantly the section classed as middle mgmt.
Now is that because of bureaucracy (paperwork for want of a better word) or because of the bureaucracy of headcount, ie the company feels it requires more people at that level. In my experience it's a bit of both and losing headcount in that situation doesn't impact the overall performance/function but results in savings.
Unfortunately as humans we hate change, when we talk about changing something people maon about 'but we've always done it that way' and think it will fail if we change it. If you change it correctly it never does fail. |
I think you are confusing a rational management of excessive bureaucracy with the ideological slash and burn that Musk will do | | | |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 10:21 - Nov 13 with 2348 views | TractorWood |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 10:15 - Nov 13 by reusersfreekicks |
I think you are confusing a rational management of excessive bureaucracy with the ideological slash and burn that Musk will do |
It's really hard to scrutinise outcomes with structure. It takes immense expertise and understanding to know how to even make minor tweaks to teams, services and vitally, outcomes.
The US probably needs this, the UK certainly needs this done. However, as others have said, it will just be testosterone prompted mass sackings to basically everyone not working their fingers to the bone on the front line. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 10:25 - Nov 13 with 2299 views | MattinLondon |
“The Department of Government Efficiency” sounds like the American equivalent of Rees-Mogg’s pointless role as “Minister of State for Brexit Opportunities and Government Efficiency”.
Wonder how that ended. |  | | |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 10:56 - Nov 13 with 2120 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps you ought to bone up on how the USA is run? | |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:00 - Nov 13 with 2124 views | Illinoisblue |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 09:08 - Nov 13 by Help |
Let's see how many Americans are better off in 4 years time. |
Spoiler; the already wealthy will be better off. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:02 - Nov 13 with 2112 views | tractordownsouth |
Ironic that he's appointed two heads of department. That's not very efficient. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:06 - Nov 13 with 2079 views | DanTheMan |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:02 - Nov 13 by tractordownsouth |
Ironic that he's appointed two heads of department. That's not very efficient. |
At least one that does business with the government as well.
No conflicts of interest here. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:10 - Nov 13 with 2046 views | DJR |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:02 - Nov 13 by tractordownsouth |
Ironic that he's appointed two heads of department. That's not very efficient. |
Interestingly, it isn't a proper government department because if it were there would be all sort of hoops for Musk to jump through, given the conflicts of interest.
And its initials, DOGE, appear in Dogecoin, a crypto currency, which may well be a joke.
EDIT: Dogecoin is apparently Musk's favourite crypto currency. [Post edited 13 Nov 2024 14:59]
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:14 - Nov 13 with 2009 views | tractordownsouth |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:06 - Nov 13 by DanTheMan |
At least one that does business with the government as well.
No conflicts of interest here. |
Drain the swamp! | |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 12:00 - Nov 13 with 1864 views | Oldsmoker |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 08:55 - Nov 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Given that he’s sacked employees by Twitter, and had others sleeping in the office to work unhealthy amounts of hours, this is not good news for US government workers.
It’s dystopian stuff having a billionaire that close to government departments, it’s also a massive conflict of interest of course with Musk’s business interests. Clearly Trump is looking to replicate the powerful oligarchs running Russia! For most high-ranking private sector jobs you have to have background checks, clearly not a problem in the US public sector given Trump’s convictions, and Musk’s SEC charges… |
Rick Scott is being touted for GOP Senate leader.
That's the Rick Scott who was CEO of Columbia/HCA, a healthcare provider that presided over the biggest medical fraud ever when they defrauded Medicare. The company was fined 1.7bn dollars.
Rick Scott left with a 10m dollar severance package.
The company had 'made mistakes' but he had learnt from it - not to get caught next time. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 12:12 - Nov 13 with 1819 views | ghostofescobar |
Incredibly easy for wealthy people to cut “bureaucracy”, which basically means getting rid of working class people on lower income salaries, whose services tend to be relied upon by working class people on lower income salaries. Such cuts never impact the lives of the wealthy, so are very easy decisions for the wealthy to make. |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 12:14 - Nov 13 with 1812 views | baxterbasics |
Trump doesn't even have to worry about upsetting his base now since he won't be seeking reelection next time. So it's really no holds barred for him. Although no doubt his ego would still like him to be remembered as the greatest ever.
With hindsight, maybe they should have just let him squat after last time, because now he'd be over and we wouldn't be facing another four years today! |  |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 12:21 - Nov 13 with 1782 views | baxterbasics |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 11:10 - Nov 13 by DJR |
Interestingly, it isn't a proper government department because if it were there would be all sort of hoops for Musk to jump through, given the conflicts of interest.
And its initials, DOGE, appear in Dogecoin, a crypto currency, which may well be a joke.
EDIT: Dogecoin is apparently Musk's favourite crypto currency. [Post edited 13 Nov 2024 14:59]
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There's a new 'Meme Coin' he's acknowledged called PNUT after Peanut The Squirrel. It was up about 800% in a week to this morning. Thought I'd chuck £50 at it for the lolz. Three hours later I'm up 50%. See how far it runs before it collapses back to zero. | |
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| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 12:40 - Nov 13 with 1730 views | Mookamoo |
I'm less worried about Trump this time round than last.
They chose him and they have to get this out of their system to move forward. What he is proposing is crazy and won't work and in 2-3 years they'll find that out the hard way. The only way to stop that MAGA movement is to allow it to fail. |  | | |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 13:02 - Nov 13 with 1656 views | eireblue |
This entrepreneurial approach is what Dominic Cummings wanted as well.
It won’t work for Government.
US Startup/entrepreneurial approach is to fail fast and move on. Most Start-ups fail.
You can’t really fail to provide a service to tax payers.
Yea we’re not doing hospitals/bin collections/schools this year, we sort of failed really quickly, so that’s all good.
You can of course fail to provide a new thing to a market, and nobody is really effected. |  | | |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 13:22 - Nov 13 with 1579 views | reusersfreekicks |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 12:40 - Nov 13 by Mookamoo |
I'm less worried about Trump this time round than last.
They chose him and they have to get this out of their system to move forward. What he is proposing is crazy and won't work and in 2-3 years they'll find that out the hard way. The only way to stop that MAGA movement is to allow it to fail. |
Shame for the victims in the Ukraine and Gaza
Shame for the planet
While Americans experiment with the extreme right and vote in a criminal incompetent surrounding himself with similar types | | | |
| It's all very well to "slash bureaucracy" on 13:59 - Nov 13 with 1437 views | ElderGrizzly |
It is all a show.
It has no real power and is simply a shop window for Elon to look like he is keeping Trump's promise of being engaged and 'slashing' Government.
The normal processes will need to be followed in the House and Senate, which of course are both now controlled by the MAGA crowd. But there will at least be debate. |  | | |
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