| Farmers' protests in London today... 13:31 - Dec 11 with 4784 views | VanSaParody |
Any tractor boys gone?
Tell me, has Citizen Khan waived the Congestion Charge? |  | | |  |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:40 - Dec 11 with 3106 views | BlueBadger |
Presumably they're all going to get 5 stretches for deliberately obstructing the public highways?
Fair play to them though, Jeremy Clarkson's right to dodge tax is a critical issue. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:42 - Dec 11 with 3098 views | BloomBlue |
Strangely tractors have always been exempt from the Congestion charge and ULEZ |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:48 - Dec 11 with 3084 views | Ryorry |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:40 - Dec 11 by BlueBadger |
Presumably they're all going to get 5 stretches for deliberately obstructing the public highways?
Fair play to them though, Jeremy Clarkson's right to dodge tax is a critical issue. |
"Presumably they're all going to get 5 stretches for deliberately obstructing the public highways?"
Talking of which, this is an outrage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgnx43909yo
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 with 3069 views | DJR |
Interesting snippet from today's environment committee hearing on the future of farming.
Dr Arun Advani (an economics professor at Warwick University and head of the Centre for the Analysis of Taxation (CenTax), a thinktank)told MPs that, even with the extension of inheritance tax to some farms announced in the budget, farms were still “much more attractive than other sorts of assets” for people wanting to reduce their inheritance tax liability. That is because agricultural property relief is just being cut from 100% to 50% on assets worth more than £1m, not cut altogether. He said:
One reason for doing that is because there are farmers who you might be concerned about, who are earning, who have wealth a bit above the current tax-free threshold, who you want to give a low rate to because of the well documented concerns about incomes of farmers.
But the downside is it still means that if you have, say, £100m or £1bn that you want to put into farmland, 20% rate is still much more attractive than other sorts of assets.
And so what you will still have in this world is people who want to buy up agricultural land, competing with genuine farmers, who are trying to expand their farm, who really are actually wanting to work on the land. They’re still going to have to compete with much better off people. |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 with 3067 views | BlueBadger |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:42 - Dec 11 by BloomBlue |
Strangely tractors have always been exempt from the Congestion charge and ULEZ |
...and another thing - surely they can't be all that hard pressed if they can afford to take weekday off to protest? Sanctimonious Hoorays, all back from their Gap Yahs turning out as a rentamob, disrupting hardworking folk, innit. [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 13:56]
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:58 - Dec 11 with 3026 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 by BlueBadger |
...and another thing - surely they can't be all that hard pressed if they can afford to take weekday off to protest? Sanctimonious Hoorays, all back from their Gap Yahs turning out as a rentamob, disrupting hardworking folk, innit. [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 13:56]
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Wonder if any of them used red diesel to get to the demonstration? |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:00 - Dec 11 with 3014 views | BlueBadger |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:58 - Dec 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Wonder if any of them used red diesel to get to the demonstration? |
Only turned up today because their subsidy cheques cleared this morning, amirite | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:03 - Dec 11 with 2971 views | Ryorry |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 by DJR |
Interesting snippet from today's environment committee hearing on the future of farming.
Dr Arun Advani (an economics professor at Warwick University and head of the Centre for the Analysis of Taxation (CenTax), a thinktank)told MPs that, even with the extension of inheritance tax to some farms announced in the budget, farms were still “much more attractive than other sorts of assets” for people wanting to reduce their inheritance tax liability. That is because agricultural property relief is just being cut from 100% to 50% on assets worth more than £1m, not cut altogether. He said:
One reason for doing that is because there are farmers who you might be concerned about, who are earning, who have wealth a bit above the current tax-free threshold, who you want to give a low rate to because of the well documented concerns about incomes of farmers.
But the downside is it still means that if you have, say, £100m or £1bn that you want to put into farmland, 20% rate is still much more attractive than other sorts of assets.
And so what you will still have in this world is people who want to buy up agricultural land, competing with genuine farmers, who are trying to expand their farm, who really are actually wanting to work on the land. They’re still going to have to compete with much better off people. |
Said before that there's a far, far better way to deal with this issue than a blanket law which means farmers, unlike any other business in the UK, are taxed on their business assets.
Impose constraints on sales/acquisitions of farmland and buildings in the same way that France does (have to complete due diligence & suitability to work the land); or in some cases in the UK already applies to certain housing - ie covenants stipulating they can only be bought or rented by those *already working* in agriculture, horticulture or forestry.
Concensus round here is that Labour know nothing about farming or rural economies, and there's fury they've broken their promises in so many ways already, without any consultation. Think they've already lost those voters who switched to them in rural areas in July. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:12 - Dec 11 with 2928 views | jonbull88 |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:03 - Dec 11 by Ryorry |
Said before that there's a far, far better way to deal with this issue than a blanket law which means farmers, unlike any other business in the UK, are taxed on their business assets.
Impose constraints on sales/acquisitions of farmland and buildings in the same way that France does (have to complete due diligence & suitability to work the land); or in some cases in the UK already applies to certain housing - ie covenants stipulating they can only be bought or rented by those *already working* in agriculture, horticulture or forestry.
Concensus round here is that Labour know nothing about farming or rural economies, and there's fury they've broken their promises in so many ways already, without any consultation. Think they've already lost those voters who switched to them in rural areas in July. |
Labour have made a mess of it from the beginning. The changes could have been implemented so easily. Being 4th generation on a family farm, this current iht rule could see it broken up completely with 2 deaths in close timings. And who will buy the farm? Big corps and people wanting to hide money.
For me they should have said there will be no iht on death, however for 5 years there will be 40% claw back and then 20% for another 5. If the farm is subsequently sold by the decentants. So easy and unlikely to have had any arguments from us farmers that want to farm!! [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 14:13]
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:22 - Dec 11 with 2881 views | EdwardStone |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:12 - Dec 11 by jonbull88 |
Labour have made a mess of it from the beginning. The changes could have been implemented so easily. Being 4th generation on a family farm, this current iht rule could see it broken up completely with 2 deaths in close timings. And who will buy the farm? Big corps and people wanting to hide money.
For me they should have said there will be no iht on death, however for 5 years there will be 40% claw back and then 20% for another 5. If the farm is subsequently sold by the decentants. So easy and unlikely to have had any arguments from us farmers that want to farm!! [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 14:13]
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This is exactly the kind of elegant solution to the problem that the Govt could have chosen
For a party that has spent 14 years in opposition, they have had plenty of time to dream up policy, consult with interested bodies and then draw up policies that will actually work and carry the vast majority along with them.....
It is soooo frustrating watching them blunder about upsetting everyone, supporters, well-wishers and opponents alike, by being so bloody amateurish |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:25 - Dec 11 with 2858 views | giant_stow |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:22 - Dec 11 by EdwardStone |
This is exactly the kind of elegant solution to the problem that the Govt could have chosen
For a party that has spent 14 years in opposition, they have had plenty of time to dream up policy, consult with interested bodies and then draw up policies that will actually work and carry the vast majority along with them.....
It is soooo frustrating watching them blunder about upsetting everyone, supporters, well-wishers and opponents alike, by being so bloody amateurish |
it does indeed sound like a good solution. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:55 - Dec 11 with 2782 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I was late for a funeral and hospital appointment today so feck'em. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:57 - Dec 11 with 2768 views | bluelagos |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:55 - Dec 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I was late for a funeral and hospital appointment today so feck'em. |
Get lost or you using Harley St now Banskster? |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:12 - Dec 11 with 2701 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:22 - Dec 11 by EdwardStone |
This is exactly the kind of elegant solution to the problem that the Govt could have chosen
For a party that has spent 14 years in opposition, they have had plenty of time to dream up policy, consult with interested bodies and then draw up policies that will actually work and carry the vast majority along with them.....
It is soooo frustrating watching them blunder about upsetting everyone, supporters, well-wishers and opponents alike, by being so bloody amateurish |
They really don't seem to have good political instincts do they.
In sharp contrast to the early Blair days, give or take fuel protests |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:22 - Dec 11 with 2672 views | Mullet |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:12 - Dec 11 by jonbull88 |
Labour have made a mess of it from the beginning. The changes could have been implemented so easily. Being 4th generation on a family farm, this current iht rule could see it broken up completely with 2 deaths in close timings. And who will buy the farm? Big corps and people wanting to hide money.
For me they should have said there will be no iht on death, however for 5 years there will be 40% claw back and then 20% for another 5. If the farm is subsequently sold by the decentants. So easy and unlikely to have had any arguments from us farmers that want to farm!! [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 14:13]
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The biggest issue are loudest voices like Clarkson and Lowe who are pretend farmers, acting as land barons. Both in terms of lying and being part of a class who have driven up prices. Supermarkets and Brexit deserve far more ire from farmers and the public alike.
While I don’t disagree that the government could do that, the opportunity for more loopholes and exploitation from those same people then makes the moves redundant. Thats the real issue here, so many things need fixing and the system is so stacked against us all, not in the 1% the far right have looked after.
If the farming community were smarter as a collective they’d go after their fake friends in fresh tweed. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:24 - Dec 11 with 2670 views | BlueBadger |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:22 - Dec 11 by Mullet |
The biggest issue are loudest voices like Clarkson and Lowe who are pretend farmers, acting as land barons. Both in terms of lying and being part of a class who have driven up prices. Supermarkets and Brexit deserve far more ire from farmers and the public alike.
While I don’t disagree that the government could do that, the opportunity for more loopholes and exploitation from those same people then makes the moves redundant. Thats the real issue here, so many things need fixing and the system is so stacked against us all, not in the 1% the far right have looked after.
If the farming community were smarter as a collective they’d go after their fake friends in fresh tweed. |
If they were smarter as a collective, they'd have listened to the NFU rather than the likes of Farage and Johnson. [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 15:27]
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:26 - Dec 11 with 2659 views | BloomBlue |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 by BlueBadger |
...and another thing - surely they can't be all that hard pressed if they can afford to take weekday off to protest? Sanctimonious Hoorays, all back from their Gap Yahs turning out as a rentamob, disrupting hardworking folk, innit. [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 13:56]
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WFH isn't it. Like all WFH'ers busy doing other things watching TV, shopping, driving around London | | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:27 - Dec 11 with 2651 views | BlueBadger |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:26 - Dec 11 by BloomBlue |
WFH isn't it. Like all WFH'ers busy doing other things watching TV, shopping, driving around London |
Always expecting the taxpayer to prop them up. Scroungers. Get a job. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:20 - Dec 11 with 2531 views | jonbull88 |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:22 - Dec 11 by Mullet |
The biggest issue are loudest voices like Clarkson and Lowe who are pretend farmers, acting as land barons. Both in terms of lying and being part of a class who have driven up prices. Supermarkets and Brexit deserve far more ire from farmers and the public alike.
While I don’t disagree that the government could do that, the opportunity for more loopholes and exploitation from those same people then makes the moves redundant. Thats the real issue here, so many things need fixing and the system is so stacked against us all, not in the 1% the far right have looked after.
If the farming community were smarter as a collective they’d go after their fake friends in fresh tweed. |
For me I can look past the likes of Clarkson to an extent. The real elephant in the room is roll over relief and for me that’s what drives up land prices. I could sell 50 acres for houses tomorrow and get anywhere between £25-50m for it. If I don’t invest it within 2 years I grt clobbered for capital gains. Yet if I invest in more farm land I’ve enough to be 2500 acres at £10k an acre. Or push the price up on less | | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:27 - Dec 11 with 2498 views | Mullet |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:20 - Dec 11 by jonbull88 |
For me I can look past the likes of Clarkson to an extent. The real elephant in the room is roll over relief and for me that’s what drives up land prices. I could sell 50 acres for houses tomorrow and get anywhere between £25-50m for it. If I don’t invest it within 2 years I grt clobbered for capital gains. Yet if I invest in more farm land I’ve enough to be 2500 acres at £10k an acre. Or push the price up on less |
Yep and you only have to look at the last government to join those dots. Who benefits most from that? Etc.
This is the big problem, Labour are being blamed for the sh1t not credited for picking up the shovel.
We are all being hurt by the effects of years of greed and Tory corruption, you can’t just draw a line under that. It means every mistake Labour make is compounded by taking the blame for what they’ve inherited. The fact that most farmers and those newly arrived in the countryside from affluent areas can’t look past Clarkson et al is also a massive problem. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:47 - Dec 11 with 2417 views | OldFart71 |
There must come a day when shovelling all the muck on to the Tories stops. Labours policies or lack of haven't exactly seen their citizens/voters jumping with glee. There are many who believe that what they are trying to do won't work. They backed themselves into a corner by not reversing the N.I. cuts made by the Tories for working people. Whilst pensions are allegedly paid via N.I. contributions the Tories were wrong to cut N.I. twice whilst all and sundry were complaining that due to our ageing population the Triple Lock and pensions in general are unsustainable. The country as a whole needs a reset as if it wasn't for the absurd costs of feeding, heating and water so that bosses of these companies can continue to gorge themselves on massive wages and bonuses and paying shareholders millions whilst not doing the things they are supposed to do there would be no need for the population to require the huge sums of money just to survive. Also if supermarkets and the like didn't screw farmers down so much with the poor money they give them for their produce and it doesn't follow that if they paid a fair price the cost of food would increase, it would just mean that supermarkets profits would fall, bosses wouldn't get such massive wages and Private Equity wouldn't be taking them over, cutting jobs, putting up prices and giving customers a worse service. | | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:59 - Dec 11 with 2382 views | factual_blue |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:47 - Dec 11 by OldFart71 |
There must come a day when shovelling all the muck on to the Tories stops. Labours policies or lack of haven't exactly seen their citizens/voters jumping with glee. There are many who believe that what they are trying to do won't work. They backed themselves into a corner by not reversing the N.I. cuts made by the Tories for working people. Whilst pensions are allegedly paid via N.I. contributions the Tories were wrong to cut N.I. twice whilst all and sundry were complaining that due to our ageing population the Triple Lock and pensions in general are unsustainable. The country as a whole needs a reset as if it wasn't for the absurd costs of feeding, heating and water so that bosses of these companies can continue to gorge themselves on massive wages and bonuses and paying shareholders millions whilst not doing the things they are supposed to do there would be no need for the population to require the huge sums of money just to survive. Also if supermarkets and the like didn't screw farmers down so much with the poor money they give them for their produce and it doesn't follow that if they paid a fair price the cost of food would increase, it would just mean that supermarkets profits would fall, bosses wouldn't get such massive wages and Private Equity wouldn't be taking them over, cutting jobs, putting up prices and giving customers a worse service. |
I think that withering economic analysis makes you a shoe-in for the Nobel Prize for Economics.
The writing style makes the Nobel Prize for Literature more elusive though. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:07 - Dec 11 with 2349 views | factual_blue |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:55 - Dec 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I was late for a funeral and hospital appointment today so feck'em. |
Booking a funeral just because you've had a hospital appointment sounds a bit defeatist. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:43 - Dec 11 with 2239 views | Mullet |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:47 - Dec 11 by OldFart71 |
There must come a day when shovelling all the muck on to the Tories stops. Labours policies or lack of haven't exactly seen their citizens/voters jumping with glee. There are many who believe that what they are trying to do won't work. They backed themselves into a corner by not reversing the N.I. cuts made by the Tories for working people. Whilst pensions are allegedly paid via N.I. contributions the Tories were wrong to cut N.I. twice whilst all and sundry were complaining that due to our ageing population the Triple Lock and pensions in general are unsustainable. The country as a whole needs a reset as if it wasn't for the absurd costs of feeding, heating and water so that bosses of these companies can continue to gorge themselves on massive wages and bonuses and paying shareholders millions whilst not doing the things they are supposed to do there would be no need for the population to require the huge sums of money just to survive. Also if supermarkets and the like didn't screw farmers down so much with the poor money they give them for their produce and it doesn't follow that if they paid a fair price the cost of food would increase, it would just mean that supermarkets profits would fall, bosses wouldn't get such massive wages and Private Equity wouldn't be taking them over, cutting jobs, putting up prices and giving customers a worse service. |
You can barely measure Labours term in months let alone years. When do you propose this point comes exactly? | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:50 - Dec 11 with 2207 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:57 - Dec 11 by bluelagos |
Get lost or you using Harley St now Banskster? |
Bloody A14 go slow Laggers.....bastards inconveniencing hard working folk like me. | |
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