| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD 17:43 - Mar 26 with 3103 views | JX19 |
This whole situation should also serve as a massive warning and lesson to our local press and dare I say TWTD to not just take what the club say at total face value. Clearly the club are the ones in the wrong but the reporting on Tuesday and push back at people suggesting the no official involvement line wasn’t right now looks totally ridiculous. |  | | |  |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:03 - Mar 26 with 2331 views | Churchman |
No it doesn’t in my view. I have always taken people at their word and on the whole that’s worked pretty well. If that word is broken, that’s their lot. I’ve also seen how media distorts, lies and makes large chunks of what they write up.
TWTD took the line given to them by the club and reported it. Nothing wrong in that.
If the club has misrepresented, lied, covered up, distorted and is found out, it becomes a different matter. Trust is breached. It can never be repaired and a lie can never be taken back or accepted. Not in my world.
I see the club has denied what has been written. It is up to them to explain now. This happened Monday and it’s now Thursday. Unless what has been written is a complete lie, including lunch which if it took place should have been disclosed, there can only be one outcome.
This mess needs ending fast. It’s damaging the club, possibly terminally for this season. [Post edited 26 Mar 18:04]
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:07 - Mar 26 with 2246 views | JX19 |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:03 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
No it doesn’t in my view. I have always taken people at their word and on the whole that’s worked pretty well. If that word is broken, that’s their lot. I’ve also seen how media distorts, lies and makes large chunks of what they write up.
TWTD took the line given to them by the club and reported it. Nothing wrong in that.
If the club has misrepresented, lied, covered up, distorted and is found out, it becomes a different matter. Trust is breached. It can never be repaired and a lie can never be taken back or accepted. Not in my world.
I see the club has denied what has been written. It is up to them to explain now. This happened Monday and it’s now Thursday. Unless what has been written is a complete lie, including lunch which if it took place should have been disclosed, there can only be one outcome.
This mess needs ending fast. It’s damaging the club, possibly terminally for this season. [Post edited 26 Mar 18:04]
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Personally don’t agree, it’s up to local press to challenge, investigate and dig into information given. One parties word is one half of the story, and simply passing that on without vetting leads to situations like this, where the club can simply lie to control their own narrative | | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:07 - Mar 26 with 2233 views | Nordic_nutty |
The farage supporters on here are having meltdowns because people dare point out he's a human scumbag of the racist kind. |  | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:13 - Mar 26 with 2169 views | J2BLUE |
They didn't. Phil heard about the lunch and tried to get confirmation.
Unlike randoms on a forum, they cannot post speculation and guesswork. |  |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:17 - Mar 26 with 2125 views | Churchman |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:05 - Mar 26 by Dubtractor |
I thought it was all an overreaction at reform booking a conference room Churchers?
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It was on the basis of what the club told us that’s what they’d done. As I say, I take people at their word.
Despite a poster claiming otherwise with regard to myself, I take integrity about as seriously as one can. Always have. It is not to be compromised which I hope comes out in my post in this thread. | | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:18 - Mar 26 with 2124 views | redrickstuhaart |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:03 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
No it doesn’t in my view. I have always taken people at their word and on the whole that’s worked pretty well. If that word is broken, that’s their lot. I’ve also seen how media distorts, lies and makes large chunks of what they write up.
TWTD took the line given to them by the club and reported it. Nothing wrong in that.
If the club has misrepresented, lied, covered up, distorted and is found out, it becomes a different matter. Trust is breached. It can never be repaired and a lie can never be taken back or accepted. Not in my world.
I see the club has denied what has been written. It is up to them to explain now. This happened Monday and it’s now Thursday. Unless what has been written is a complete lie, including lunch which if it took place should have been disclosed, there can only be one outcome.
This mess needs ending fast. It’s damaging the club, possibly terminally for this season. [Post edited 26 Mar 18:04]
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A number of us were pointing out the significant tension beetween the fed line, and the available facts, alongside the deafening silence... It was pretty obvious there was more to it. | |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:32 - Mar 26 with 2032 views | Churchman |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:07 - Mar 26 by JX19 |
Personally don’t agree, it’s up to local press to challenge, investigate and dig into information given. One parties word is one half of the story, and simply passing that on without vetting leads to situations like this, where the club can simply lie to control their own narrative |
Yes it is their job to do just that. And sometimes they do it well (Watergate). But if you’ve seen up close and personal media in action you will know that the truth is often well down the list of priorities. Lies, distortions, fabrication are tools of the trade and they do it shamelessly.
Solution? Read as widely as you can and form your own conclusion I guess and to wait for truth to emerge? | | | |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:37 - Mar 26 with 1945 views | bluelagos |
You're right, it should be a lesson.
But I understand that without access to the club it is their livelihoods.
And Ashton has a nasty side too, I have heard about his dealings with one of our fan groups but won't repeat them here (am sure that will come out when he gone)
Edit. I see Blue Order has now posted on this. Real nasty piece of sh1t. [Post edited 26 Mar 19:13]
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:45 - Mar 26 with 1897 views | NedPlimpton |
I think that's a bit unfair. Phil's not an investigative journalist, he runs an absolutely brilliant fanzine website. He can only report on what he knows to be true, not speculation |  | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:09 - Mar 26 with 1819 views | Churchman |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:45 - Mar 26 by NedPlimpton |
I think that's a bit unfair. Phil's not an investigative journalist, he runs an absolutely brilliant fanzine website. He can only report on what he knows to be true, not speculation |
You’ve expressed it far better than me, Ned | | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:11 - Mar 26 with 1807 views | Dubtractor |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:17 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
It was on the basis of what the club told us that’s what they’d done. As I say, I take people at their word.
Despite a poster claiming otherwise with regard to myself, I take integrity about as seriously as one can. Always have. It is not to be compromised which I hope comes out in my post in this thread. |
I think I've got a decent bullsh1t detector, and it was beeping like crazy as soon as that "no club involvement" statement came out.
Just really obviously wasn't the truth. |  |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:14 - Mar 26 with 1784 views | nrb1985 |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:17 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
It was on the basis of what the club told us that’s what they’d done. As I say, I take people at their word.
Despite a poster claiming otherwise with regard to myself, I take integrity about as seriously as one can. Always have. It is not to be compromised which I hope comes out in my post in this thread. |
Fair enough.
Now, like I said the other day, I have some magic beans I’d be interested in showing you.
Loathed to let them go but for the right price they’re yours Sir. | | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:15 - Mar 26 with 1780 views | redrickstuhaart |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:11 - Mar 26 by Dubtractor |
I think I've got a decent bullsh1t detector, and it was beeping like crazy as soon as that "no club involvement" statement came out.
Just really obviously wasn't the truth. |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:20 - Mar 26 with 1737 views | Leutard |
To be fair, I can't imagine local press and Phil are all too happy that they were blatantly lied to? I was under the impression that a degree of good will and trust existed, which isn't great to mess with | | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 22:01 - Mar 26 with 1591 views | Churchman |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 19:14 - Mar 26 by nrb1985 |
Fair enough.
Now, like I said the other day, I have some magic beans I’d be interested in showing you.
Loathed to let them go but for the right price they’re yours Sir. |
Sorry, I’m not quite sure what you mean. Please explain.
If it is that I’m naive and stupid you are wrong on the naivety front. In life you have to have a code by which you live and act. Along with loyalty (old fashioned) to family/friends, work colleagues, staff, mentees, people I worked for, discipline and structure, trust has always been important to me.
The cost has meant at times betrayal of that, being mugged off, mistakes in judgement on my part and more screw ups than I can count. It’s got me into bother at times. Regardless, there has been many more ups and downs for me. I’ve been so lucky in so many ways. No regrets.
I am still cautious about what has been reported and the truth to this.
So no to the beans, yes to an explanation if if I have misinterpreted you and if you have a magic wand, I’m happy to collect it or send it by owl. [Post edited 26 Mar 22:07]
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 22:31 - Mar 26 with 1489 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 22:01 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
Sorry, I’m not quite sure what you mean. Please explain.
If it is that I’m naive and stupid you are wrong on the naivety front. In life you have to have a code by which you live and act. Along with loyalty (old fashioned) to family/friends, work colleagues, staff, mentees, people I worked for, discipline and structure, trust has always been important to me.
The cost has meant at times betrayal of that, being mugged off, mistakes in judgement on my part and more screw ups than I can count. It’s got me into bother at times. Regardless, there has been many more ups and downs for me. I’ve been so lucky in so many ways. No regrets.
I am still cautious about what has been reported and the truth to this.
So no to the beans, yes to an explanation if if I have misinterpreted you and if you have a magic wand, I’m happy to collect it or send it by owl. [Post edited 26 Mar 22:07]
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You can now see why church you cant go by what ashton says about our recruitment process in his interviews.
Just because he said so. It doesnt make it true |  |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:06 - Mar 26 with 1352 views | Churchman |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 22:31 - Mar 26 by FrimleyBlue |
You can now see why church you cant go by what ashton says about our recruitment process in his interviews.
Just because he said so. It doesnt make it true |
I never said it did, but I will always hold by the principle that you have to take people’s word on trust. He described the recruitment process. McKenna never disputed it. If they lied, they go. It’s a simple way.
I’ve had occasion where for a simple example I’ve sold a home (and will have to again) and always made it clear that if I shake hands in a deal I’ve given my word and are expected to do the same. No p1ssing around. Spelt out. Perfectly clear.
But of course you can guess the next move. Me being messed about - potentially. The perpetrators were out, done, at any cost. Did it actually cost me on more than one occasion? Yes. I didn’t care, they were toast.
It’s a little like threats. I very rarely have made them for reasons well beyond a forum but simply, if they are made they have to be followed through.
Enough of totally unimportant thoughts and musings. A 1000 times more important, how are you and your dad doing? Ok I hope FB. [Post edited 26 Mar 23:07]
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:18 - Mar 26 with 1276 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:06 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
I never said it did, but I will always hold by the principle that you have to take people’s word on trust. He described the recruitment process. McKenna never disputed it. If they lied, they go. It’s a simple way.
I’ve had occasion where for a simple example I’ve sold a home (and will have to again) and always made it clear that if I shake hands in a deal I’ve given my word and are expected to do the same. No p1ssing around. Spelt out. Perfectly clear.
But of course you can guess the next move. Me being messed about - potentially. The perpetrators were out, done, at any cost. Did it actually cost me on more than one occasion? Yes. I didn’t care, they were toast.
It’s a little like threats. I very rarely have made them for reasons well beyond a forum but simply, if they are made they have to be followed through.
Enough of totally unimportant thoughts and musings. A 1000 times more important, how are you and your dad doing? Ok I hope FB. [Post edited 26 Mar 23:07]
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Yeah fair enough mate.
Not gonna lie. This episode has actually selfishly been something thats helped me get through the last few days. My heads an absolute mess as I await the inevitable so many different thoughts and emotions. So its helpful in a sense that theres been something to really help me vent out some of that anger emotion.
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:21 - Mar 26 with 1269 views | PhilTWTD |
They evidently spun a line when we and other people asked what happened, and bear in mind at the time I ran my first story only a few still images had appeared from Reform rather than the whole shebang. You have to take them at their word, probably should have phrased it as 'Town sources' rather than 'understood' etc, but I think people are intelligent enough to read between the lines on where briefings come from. The suggestion I was defending the visit was what I challenged on here, as I'd not given any opinion.
You ask around, find out more and take what you've learned back to them and they've not wanted to comment further than the statement, despite having been told that this would blow up further due to the obfuscation and they really needed to address things further as other media would find out the same and, as it turns out, more. |  | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:23 - Mar 26 with 1245 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:21 - Mar 26 by PhilTWTD |
They evidently spun a line when we and other people asked what happened, and bear in mind at the time I ran my first story only a few still images had appeared from Reform rather than the whole shebang. You have to take them at their word, probably should have phrased it as 'Town sources' rather than 'understood' etc, but I think people are intelligent enough to read between the lines on where briefings come from. The suggestion I was defending the visit was what I challenged on here, as I'd not given any opinion.
You ask around, find out more and take what you've learned back to them and they've not wanted to comment further than the statement, despite having been told that this would blow up further due to the obfuscation and they really needed to address things further as other media would find out the same and, as it turns out, more. |
How has Ashton got this so wrong ? Yes he is a bit Brent and bit slick and slimy at times but he seems to be a guy who knows how to use the media to his advantage, this is amateur hour and then some.
It truly is staggeringly bad. |  |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:24 - Mar 26 with 1206 views | Dubtractor |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:21 - Mar 26 by PhilTWTD |
They evidently spun a line when we and other people asked what happened, and bear in mind at the time I ran my first story only a few still images had appeared from Reform rather than the whole shebang. You have to take them at their word, probably should have phrased it as 'Town sources' rather than 'understood' etc, but I think people are intelligent enough to read between the lines on where briefings come from. The suggestion I was defending the visit was what I challenged on here, as I'd not given any opinion.
You ask around, find out more and take what you've learned back to them and they've not wanted to comment further than the statement, despite having been told that this would blow up further due to the obfuscation and they really needed to address things further as other media would find out the same and, as it turns out, more. |
You must feel a bit aggrieved at being used as a lightning rod by the club? | |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:26 - Mar 26 with 1165 views | N2_Blue |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 18:03 - Mar 26 by Churchman |
No it doesn’t in my view. I have always taken people at their word and on the whole that’s worked pretty well. If that word is broken, that’s their lot. I’ve also seen how media distorts, lies and makes large chunks of what they write up.
TWTD took the line given to them by the club and reported it. Nothing wrong in that.
If the club has misrepresented, lied, covered up, distorted and is found out, it becomes a different matter. Trust is breached. It can never be repaired and a lie can never be taken back or accepted. Not in my world.
I see the club has denied what has been written. It is up to them to explain now. This happened Monday and it’s now Thursday. Unless what has been written is a complete lie, including lunch which if it took place should have been disclosed, there can only be one outcome.
This mess needs ending fast. It’s damaging the club, possibly terminally for this season. [Post edited 26 Mar 18:04]
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The lunch absolutely took place. Staff members at the club saw it. How the club can think they could keep that quiet i dont know.
It is why the club have to make a statement syaing what they believe are untruths reported by The Athetic. They are acting disgracefully to the supporters currently. Its beyond riduclous now.
What ever your view point, poitical persusasion etc, the club are treating each and one of us with conplete disrespect. |  |
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| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:34 - Mar 26 with 1132 views | PhilTWTD |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:24 - Mar 26 by Dubtractor |
You must feel a bit aggrieved at being used as a lightning rod by the club? |
You expect a certain level of candour when you deal with an organisation regularly, put it like that. | | | |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:37 - Mar 26 with 1108 views | N2_Blue |
| A Lesson to Local Press & TWTD on 23:34 - Mar 26 by PhilTWTD |
You expect a certain level of candour when you deal with an organisation regularly, put it like that. |
Phil, do you have any inkling at all all about what the clubs nect move will be?
Surely they have to say something before the weekend. Its bordering on ridiculus now or do you think so much is going on behind the scenes, potentially with legal ramifications they can't.
Even then, can't they state something like the club with be making a futher statement in due course. The silence is baffling. | |
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