| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... 08:31 - Jan 4 with 16510 views | witchdoctor |
with all the talk of another ....shudder... extention to his contract, who would be happy for M M to still be in charge at the start of next season? |  | | |  |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:34 - Jan 4 with 4277 views | ITFC_Forever |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:21 - Jan 4 by itfcjoe |
Of course he does, he's been in the game 10 years now and his major failing over the last 5 is not having enough money.
He may not make the right decision, but he isn't an amateur any more |
Tongue was slightly in cheek... I'm sure he knows who the likes of Warburton, Monk, Jones, Tisdale, Clarke and maybe Potter are.... it was more that I don't believe ME would have the gumption to appoint one of those.
Leaving one person (MMc) in charge of so much of the club though is a pretty amateur decision though.... |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:39 - Jan 4 with 4266 views | Guthrum |
Yes, I would be happy enough for that to happen. McCarthy is more than averagely competent (really quite good in areas like affordable recruitment) and not particularly insane by football managerial standards. If everything else continues as it is now (non-stop injuries included), he stands a better chance than most of at least maintaining our position in the League structure and perhaps manufacturing a run at the play-offs.
Whether it's entirely viable is another matter. A sizeable section of the fanbase either never liked or have turned against McCarthy. He sparks back at them in the media. There is some suggestion that the man himself may have become rather fed up with the situation (on and off the pitch) at Ipswich.
And there is a very small chance that Evans might hire someone who can take our squad, inculcate a better style and increased confidence in short order (i.e. within six to 18 months) and push on to promotion, without needing to spend big money.
But, for me, the causes of our stagnation/gentle decline are wider than just the manager, including systemic issues in the whole of football. The fact that, since the last bloke to get us promoted, we've had three frustrations and two near-disasters (going back further than that, Burley had to struggle like hell for many years to get us up) speaks volumes. |  |
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| Why don't you think it..... on 10:39 - Jan 4 with 4257 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why don't you think it..... on 09:52 - Jan 4 by Soroche |
Interesting to read Phil's comments as he is always a good judge.
I always smile when l hear the announcement at every game to the effect, ' Marcus Evans, the genius behind corporate hospitality'; surely if he wants his name emblazoned on the shirts and at the ground (stadium!), then he would prefer to have not just a good product on the pitch but also a good attendance. It must be embarrassing to have corporate guests seeing a half empty ground with disgruntled customers.
Anyway, as l said, it's always good to read Phil's incisive comments as they come with more authority than most posts.
If Mick McCarthy does leave, l hope the new manager is more polite and respectful to Phil at the press conferences. |
Cheers, I'm not sure the last bit is guaranteed whoever comes in! |  | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:40 - Jan 4 with 4253 views | Freddies_Ears |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:29 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's little chance of MM being here next season, doesn't suit any party for him to stay really (other than if we're promoted). |
It's not that common for Phil to stick his neck out on this kind of topic, so I think we can be fairly confident that there will be a change before the start of next season. |  | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:41 - Jan 4 with 4248 views | chicoazul |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:39 - Jan 4 by noggin |
I don't care anymore. |
But would you care if he *wasnt* there next season? I feel the same way, I could care less now about Mick, but if someone else exciting came in then you bet my interest would perk up. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:43 - Jan 4 with 4241 views | chicoazul |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:29 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's little chance of MM being here next season, doesn't suit any party for him to stay really (other than if we're promoted). |
He's exactly bloody minded enough to quit even if we did go up. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:44 - Jan 4 with 4241 views | J2BLUE |
Medium-long term history will judge MM kindly. People might not like his style of football but I think he has turned water into wine repeatedly for this club. His resources have been minimal and he has had players sold without the funds being given back to him. The job really has been mission impossible to get us up. I want him to go. Not because he hasn't done a very good job but because I really believe he will be considered an excellent manager for us in the longer term and it would be a shame to sour the relationship beyond repair with someone who really has served us well.
MM has not been backed with cash. He has truly earned MM's trust and still hasn't been backed. No one should be under any illusions that the new man will be either. Unless it's his mate Redknapp which seems unlikely. People seem to think we can pluck one of the best managers from the lower leagues but that isn't going to happen either. The new manager will be someone out of work, who is happy to take a job with minimal resources and having their best players sold without reinvestment. I fear that this time next year we'll be bottom 8 and looking back on MM's reign with much warmer feeling.
The wild card might be someone like Karanka who could potentially loan 3-4 on United's best and brightest prospects. Even if he doesn't go to Forest I think we all know Evans is going to go with an older British manager who has been out of the game a while. |  |
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| Can only really reiterate..... on 10:44 - Jan 4 with 4236 views | chicoazul |
| Can only really reiterate..... on 09:22 - Jan 4 by Bloots |
....Steve's comment.
Under the current ownership there will be very little, if any change to our current (and now historical) situation, no matter who the manager is.
Most people in and around the game know that MM is doing a decent job with the tools he is being given, but of course they aren't fans and don't have the emotional (or financial) investment in the club that we have.
By definition fans cannot look at a football club objectively.
We are the dullest of dull clubs playing in dullsville.
I fully expect MM to be offered a new deal because he suits Evan's approach to the club. Whether he accepts it or not is another matter.
I expect he'll decide to move on personally. He's probably got another push for promotion in him with a club that will back him, and given the "stability" he's created here he won't need tens of millions to achieve it, just a realistic Championship budget.
From our perspective this could be the making or the breaking of the club.
A young progressive manager or a foreign coach with a different philosophy and some investment would bring some change. But a dull uninspiring "been round the block" Championship manager with the same level of investment will bring no positives, and (in my view) probably negatives.
So really it's down to the owner, but I'd rank our options in this order:
1. New style manager + investment
2. MM + Investment
Jt 3. New style manager/MM
5. Championship manager
#evansout |
Good post luv and correct. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:54 - Jan 4 with 4210 views | OsborneOneNil |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 09:29 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's little chance of MM being here next season, doesn't suit any party for him to stay really (other than if we're promoted). |
Phew |  | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:58 - Jan 4 with 4201 views | PhilTWTD |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:40 - Jan 4 by Freddies_Ears |
It's not that common for Phil to stick his neck out on this kind of topic, so I think we can be fairly confident that there will be a change before the start of next season. |
Ha. Although no one should bet their house on it, obviously. | | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 11:09 - Jan 4 with 4174 views | OsborneOneNil |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:58 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
Ha. Although no one should bet their house on it, obviously. |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 11:11 - Jan 4 with 4164 views | uncle |
I'd rather we had a change next season, but in reality unless ME changes his approach, it'll just be mediocrity (at best) in a different form.
If he stays I wont be up in arms about it |  | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 11:23 - Jan 4 with 4128 views | TheBlueBarca |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 08:43 - Jan 4 by Darth_Koont |
If we go on a hell of a run and McCarthy shows what he wanted from his first-choice and full-strength team, then yes.
As that's unlikely, then no. I think we need a change whether that comes from ME giving Mick more money or someone else trying to freshen things up under the current budget restrictions. |
Pretty much sport on.
Ultimately something has to change, either Evans has to get a manger in who can work with his limited budget or he's got to start investing a reasonable amount in the team again with Mick. I am not saying we should spend Wolves money, but we need a bit of a clear-out too.
I really don't see us progressing with the likes of Chambo, Smith, Knudsen, Bru,Hyam, Bishop, Skuse, Sears and Didz and although they have kept us in this division they are not going to take us up anymore and I say that as someone who really rates Didz as a player. The surrender on Tuesday was enough.
If Evans keeps up as we are, he will end up with a less than half empty ground in League One and probably struggling there too. Surely thats not worth him losing another 100mil? What happens when the club cant pay back the 5-6% interest on the loans he gives us, what does he do then? Write the debt off or fold the club? There has got be a threshold surely? |  |
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| Why don't you think it..... on 11:43 - Jan 4 with 4108 views | Guthrum |
| Why don't you think it..... on 10:31 - Jan 4 by imsureazzure |
There is no way ME is a self made man, he must have inherited his fortune, he has to be the worst ticket tout and hospitality specialist ever. |
A lot of success is about coming across an opportunity and putting (or finding) yourself into a position to sieze it. Technical business skills come a distant second - in any case, you can hire people to do that for you. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 11:54 - Jan 4 with 4090 views | IpswichKnight |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 11:23 - Jan 4 by TheBlueBarca |
Pretty much sport on.
Ultimately something has to change, either Evans has to get a manger in who can work with his limited budget or he's got to start investing a reasonable amount in the team again with Mick. I am not saying we should spend Wolves money, but we need a bit of a clear-out too.
I really don't see us progressing with the likes of Chambo, Smith, Knudsen, Bru,Hyam, Bishop, Skuse, Sears and Didz and although they have kept us in this division they are not going to take us up anymore and I say that as someone who really rates Didz as a player. The surrender on Tuesday was enough.
If Evans keeps up as we are, he will end up with a less than half empty ground in League One and probably struggling there too. Surely thats not worth him losing another 100mil? What happens when the club cant pay back the 5-6% interest on the loans he gives us, what does he do then? Write the debt off or fold the club? There has got be a threshold surely? |
If the right offer comes in I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote the debt off against a promise to pay in full if we get promoted to the PL within a set amount of years
spot on about us not progressing with the current players. | | | |
| Evans and McCarthy together will not take us anywhere on 13:10 - Jan 4 with 4051 views | Grief |
Now i know you have to be careful what you wish for, a new owner could be one of the manic Far Eastern types who hire and fire weekly and try to run everything, however Evans lack of involvement has left McCarthy swanning around doing as he pleases and telling us we know nothing about football and he is not going anywhere until he says so.
I have never liked McCarthy's style of play and would like to see someone who attacks more and passes the ball in charge. I do agree that he will leave the club in a better state.
I really hope he does go in the Summer though as flirting with relegation maybe more exciting than this stalemate. Smaller clubs than us have been promoted in the past 10 years, with the right management and direction we could go up |  | | |
| Why don't you think it..... on 13:14 - Jan 4 with 4040 views | chicoazul |
| Why don't you think it..... on 11:43 - Jan 4 by Guthrum |
A lot of success is about coming across an opportunity and putting (or finding) yourself into a position to sieze it. Technical business skills come a distant second - in any case, you can hire people to do that for you. |
It's just that easy is it? | |
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| Why don't you think it..... on 13:20 - Jan 4 with 4030 views | BlueBadger |
| Why don't you think it..... on 10:18 - Jan 4 by Bluefish |
Close but you missed the part where no one was banned for bring a prick about Jim or Mick |
I think it was the 'being a prick' bit you got it for, rather than the manager. |  |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 14:11 - Jan 4 with 3989 views | BlueBadger |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:44 - Jan 4 by J2BLUE |
Medium-long term history will judge MM kindly. People might not like his style of football but I think he has turned water into wine repeatedly for this club. His resources have been minimal and he has had players sold without the funds being given back to him. The job really has been mission impossible to get us up. I want him to go. Not because he hasn't done a very good job but because I really believe he will be considered an excellent manager for us in the longer term and it would be a shame to sour the relationship beyond repair with someone who really has served us well.
MM has not been backed with cash. He has truly earned MM's trust and still hasn't been backed. No one should be under any illusions that the new man will be either. Unless it's his mate Redknapp which seems unlikely. People seem to think we can pluck one of the best managers from the lower leagues but that isn't going to happen either. The new manager will be someone out of work, who is happy to take a job with minimal resources and having their best players sold without reinvestment. I fear that this time next year we'll be bottom 8 and looking back on MM's reign with much warmer feeling.
The wild card might be someone like Karanka who could potentially loan 3-4 on United's best and brightest prospects. Even if he doesn't go to Forest I think we all know Evans is going to go with an older British manager who has been out of the game a while. |
I fear that you are depressingly spot on with this assessment. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:00 - Jan 4 with 3962 views | The_Romford_Blue |
I’m the exact same as I was at the start of the season.
I expect us to finish 10th.
I expect Evans to offer him a new deal.
I expect mick to decline it
I expect Gary megson to get the job
I expect it to be far worse next season
I expect us to be relegated in two seasons time
I maintain he should leave at the end of the season. He can do no more on our budget. [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 15:00]
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:04 - Jan 4 with 3952 views | imsureazzure |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:00 - Jan 4 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m the exact same as I was at the start of the season.
I expect us to finish 10th.
I expect Evans to offer him a new deal.
I expect mick to decline it
I expect Gary megson to get the job
I expect it to be far worse next season
I expect us to be relegated in two seasons time
I maintain he should leave at the end of the season. He can do no more on our budget. [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 15:00]
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He can do no more than what? |  | | |
| Why don't you think it..... on 15:08 - Jan 4 with 3941 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Why don't you think it..... on 10:07 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
Me neither! Despite Jim being difficult and obstructive I wrote at the time that I didn't agree with the way he was treated by some of my colleagues. Re Roy, I was never a cheerleader. |
Roy Keane was an absolute toaster wasn’t he? You’ve spoken to him Phil, is he as big a knobhead as he came across? | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:11 - Jan 4 with 3933 views | imsureazzure |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:00 - Jan 4 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m the exact same as I was at the start of the season.
I expect us to finish 10th.
I expect Evans to offer him a new deal.
I expect mick to decline it
I expect Gary megson to get the job
I expect it to be far worse next season
I expect us to be relegated in two seasons time
I maintain he should leave at the end of the season. He can do no more on our budget. [Post edited 4 Jan 2018 15:00]
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Do you fancy pricing these up?
I expect us to finish 10th.
I expect Evans to offer him a new deal.
I expect mick to decline it
I expect Gary megson to get the job
I expect it to be far worse next season
I expect us to be relegated in two seasons time | | | |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:11 - Jan 4 with 3932 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 10:43 - Jan 4 by chicoazul |
He's exactly bloody minded enough to quit even if we did go up. |
By the same token, if we did go up (which we won’t), he’d still have fans calling him a c**t at Wembley as he wins the playoff final.
Stubbornness from him is obvious. Stubbornness from our fans against him even when doing well is also obvious. | |
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| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:16 - Jan 4 with 3922 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| ok....just so we can establish who’s who ....... on 15:11 - Jan 4 by imsureazzure |
Do you fancy pricing these up?
I expect us to finish 10th.
I expect Evans to offer him a new deal.
I expect mick to decline it
I expect Gary megson to get the job
I expect it to be far worse next season
I expect us to be relegated in two seasons time |
To finish 10th - 12/1
New deal offered - 4/7
New deal declined - 8/13
Megson new manager - 9/1
Worse next season - 4/6
Relegation in two seasons time - 15/2 | |
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