| So the Mark Field incident then... 07:23 - Jun 21 with 31712 views | DanTheMan |
Posted the longer video for context.
His explanation is that he thought she might be armed.
Can't say that he looks very scared, looks more angry than anything and then takes it out on her. Not a good look. |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:30 - Jun 21 with 1541 views | ballycastle |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:27 - Jun 21 by Herbivore |
Except there was no intruder in his home. This was a function in a publicly accessible building. |
They were trespassing, no? Security was very lapse, which should be a concern. |  | | |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:32 - Jun 21 with 1536 views | artsbossbeard |
Just imagine if he'd have drunk a mojito on the train going home afterwards. |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:35 - Jun 21 with 1513 views | Herbivore |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:30 - Jun 21 by ballycastle |
They were trespassing, no? Security was very lapse, which should be a concern. |
Attempt to engage honestly please. You're already trying to move the goalposts. |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:36 - Jun 21 with 1510 views | ballycastle |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:30 - Jun 21 by WeWereZombies |
But it wasn't Mark Field's property, was it? And I think the Labour MPs who have commented also are aware of the murder of Jo Cox and realise that disruption to events is worrying, and it probably goes on much more than we aware.
'Jess Phillips MP tweeted: "Every MP has to deal with protest and conflict, it is done with words. To watch this is so so awful."'
Not just Labour condemning him either:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48714864
...former Tory MP Sarah Wollaston said it was "absolutely shameful, a male MP marching a woman out of a room by her neck". [Post edited 21 Jun 2019 8:35]
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Words were obviously not enough to remove the protestors, they were uninvited, refused to leave, have to be forcibly removed. | | | |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:37 - Jun 21 with 1511 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:32 - Jun 21 by artsbossbeard |
Just imagine if he'd have drunk a mojito on the train going home afterwards. |
Nobody was calling for DA to be sacked for drinking a mojito the tube. Mark Fields should be sacked for his assault on the woman. Big difference. |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:41 - Jun 21 with 1486 views | wkj |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:30 - Jun 21 by ballycastle |
They were trespassing, no? Security was very lapse, which should be a concern. |
Indeed. So he should have been frog marching his security to the nearest job center instead |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:41 - Jun 21 with 1485 views | ballycastle |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:35 - Jun 21 by Herbivore |
Attempt to engage honestly please. You're already trying to move the goalposts. |
No I'm not, not at all, I believe, from the footage I have seen, that the removal was no more than is witnessed week in week out when disruptive people are removed from premises in the UK, the fact this was done by a Tory MP is the reason for a great deal of the indignation. | | | |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:44 - Jun 21 with 1473 views | sparks |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:41 - Jun 21 by ballycastle |
No I'm not, not at all, I believe, from the footage I have seen, that the removal was no more than is witnessed week in week out when disruptive people are removed from premises in the UK, the fact this was done by a Tory MP is the reason for a great deal of the indignation. |
No- the reason is that it was an assault.
Disruptive people are removed by trained licenced security, usually. And are removed after taking a measured approach initially. |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:45 - Jun 21 with 1468 views | wkj |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:44 - Jun 21 by sparks |
No- the reason is that it was an assault.
Disruptive people are removed by trained licenced security, usually. And are removed after taking a measured approach initially. |
Careful now, using facts is a low blow- don't sell out | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:46 - Jun 21 with 1462 views | WeWereZombies |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:36 - Jun 21 by ballycastle |
Words were obviously not enough to remove the protestors, they were uninvited, refused to leave, have to be forcibly removed. |
Well, they did not have to be forcibly removed, they could have been allowed five minutes at the lectern as a condition for then leaving for example. Whilst Greenpeace can be vociferous they do not have a history of physical violence against the people they are protesting against, do they? |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:48 - Jun 21 with 1456 views | sparks |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:46 - Jun 21 by WeWereZombies |
Well, they did not have to be forcibly removed, they could have been allowed five minutes at the lectern as a condition for then leaving for example. Whilst Greenpeace can be vociferous they do not have a history of physical violence against the people they are protesting against, do they? |
Dont agree with that. They are not entitled to be there- fair enough to remove them. No reason to make concessions to people who are imposing on others.
However- it needs to be done properly. | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:51 - Jun 21 with 1439 views | artsbossbeard |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:37 - Jun 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Nobody was calling for DA to be sacked for drinking a mojito the tube. Mark Fields should be sacked for his assault on the woman. Big difference. |
Isn't Jeremy Hunt effectively MF's boss?
First Q for his first day of campaigning "Jeremy, should MF resign?" | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:51 - Jun 21 with 1438 views | giant_stow |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:48 - Jun 21 by sparks |
Dont agree with that. They are not entitled to be there- fair enough to remove them. No reason to make concessions to people who are imposing on others.
However- it needs to be done properly. |
It would have been a politically astute move though. 'we're on your side' |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:52 - Jun 21 with 1429 views | WeWereZombies |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:48 - Jun 21 by sparks |
Dont agree with that. They are not entitled to be there- fair enough to remove them. No reason to make concessions to people who are imposing on others.
However- it needs to be done properly. |
Entitlement - now there is a thorny issue, we are into the realms of comparing de jure and de facto now... | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:54 - Jun 21 with 1418 views | sparks |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:52 - Jun 21 by WeWereZombies |
Entitlement - now there is a thorny issue, we are into the realms of comparing de jure and de facto now... |
No. Its very very simple. They are imposing on others, in a private space where they have no permission to be. There are no grey areas there. | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:55 - Jun 21 with 1417 views | StokieBlue |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:08 - Jun 21 by Herbivore |
Oh do pipe down, you sound like some alt right, butt hurt mansplainer most of the time these days. Not one person has said that his conduct is unacceptable because it was a female protester and that it would be acceptable if it was a male. You are the one wanting to imply that to create fake offence. Won't someone think of the men?! Well yeah, everyone does and has done for millenia you fool. [Post edited 21 Jun 2019 8:13]
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Not on here no, but I heard that angle being pushed on Today on Radio 4 this morning.
Not that it would be acceptable if it was a male, just that it was more unacceptable because it was a female. I thought it was an odd point at the time.
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:57 - Jun 21 with 1413 views | BrixtonBlue |
I read the thread before watching the video... and I have to say I was expecting something a lot worse. She isn't removed anymore forcefully than we've seen female streakers removed from football pitches.
She shouldn't have been there so I'm not sure she can have too much complaint. |  |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:59 - Jun 21 with 1396 views | StokieBlue |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:52 - Jun 21 by WeWereZombies |
Entitlement - now there is a thorny issue, we are into the realms of comparing de jure and de facto now... |
I do think he has a point.
It seems that nowadays people think they have the right to impose their views on people regardless of the situation or the context. I don't actually think it's acceptable.
A protest outside the venue is certainly acceptable and would also make a point, bursting into venues isn't in my opinion. If someone burst into your home and protested at you eating your spam I doubt you'd be please.
It's all about context and that has been lost over the last decade. People "know" they are right and thus these "rules" don't apply to them.
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:00 - Jun 21 with 1393 views | WeWereZombies |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:54 - Jun 21 by sparks |
No. Its very very simple. They are imposing on others, in a private space where they have no permission to be. There are no grey areas there. |
And so the World goes to pot and no one thinks anything about anything - well done... | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:01 - Jun 21 with 1390 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:51 - Jun 21 by artsbossbeard |
Isn't Jeremy Hunt effectively MF's boss?
First Q for his first day of campaigning "Jeremy, should MF resign?" |
And if he has any balls he should say yes. And if he doesn’t resign he should be sacked.
One last comment on the man/woman differences. A few years ago John Prescott punched a bloke for egging him. Most people said well done. There was no hand wringing at the time and I think Blair said it was “John being John”.
There would have quite rightly been a massive uproar if the egger was a woman rather than a burley bloke and Prescott punches her.
There is a different way that we treat men and women. People can deny this but it’s true. | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:02 - Jun 21 with 1385 views | giant_stow |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 08:59 - Jun 21 by StokieBlue |
I do think he has a point.
It seems that nowadays people think they have the right to impose their views on people regardless of the situation or the context. I don't actually think it's acceptable.
A protest outside the venue is certainly acceptable and would also make a point, bursting into venues isn't in my opinion. If someone burst into your home and protested at you eating your spam I doubt you'd be please.
It's all about context and that has been lost over the last decade. People "know" they are right and thus these "rules" don't apply to them.
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This wasn't his home though - it was a political event. | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:04 - Jun 21 with 1374 views | artsbossbeard |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:01 - Jun 21 by GlasgowBlue |
And if he has any balls he should say yes. And if he doesn’t resign he should be sacked.
One last comment on the man/woman differences. A few years ago John Prescott punched a bloke for egging him. Most people said well done. There was no hand wringing at the time and I think Blair said it was “John being John”.
There would have quite rightly been a massive uproar if the egger was a woman rather than a burley bloke and Prescott punches her.
There is a different way that we treat men and women. People can deny this but it’s true. |
I'm with you on your final point, it's just how things should be done. | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:05 - Jun 21 with 1373 views | StokieBlue |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:02 - Jun 21 by giant_stow |
This wasn't his home though - it was a political event. |
Not really the point I was making, it was an absurd example to highlight that people don't respect things anymore. They had no right to burst into the room.
What happened afterwards was totally unacceptable, Field or anyone else shouldn't be doing that.
From the BBC (Greenpeace own words):
"Dozens of activists - dressed in suits, red dresses and sashes - "gatecrashed" the dinner, according to Greenpeace, and refused to leave."
I don't think that's acceptable, they made their point, they should have left. Really they shouldn't have been inside at all - peaceful protests can be made outside the venue - bursting into places is only going to cause animosity.
I think my point stands.
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:06 - Jun 21 with 1364 views | giant_stow |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:04 - Jun 21 by artsbossbeard |
I'm with you on your final point, it's just how things should be done. |
It's a general rule for decent behaviour, rightly or wrongly. More right than wrong though. | |
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| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:08 - Jun 21 with 1354 views | BrixtonBlue |
| So the Mark Field incident then... on 09:01 - Jun 21 by GlasgowBlue |
And if he has any balls he should say yes. And if he doesn’t resign he should be sacked.
One last comment on the man/woman differences. A few years ago John Prescott punched a bloke for egging him. Most people said well done. There was no hand wringing at the time and I think Blair said it was “John being John”.
There would have quite rightly been a massive uproar if the egger was a woman rather than a burley bloke and Prescott punches her.
There is a different way that we treat men and women. People can deny this but it’s true. |
I agree with your Prescott point but disagree that unreasonable force was used in this incident. A punch in the face is very different to frogmarching someone out of a room.
You know I have no love for the Tories but I think the security on this event should be sacked, not Field. | |
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