| If there's an election on Oct 14th 20:01 - Sep 2 with 8358 views | giant_stow |
And labour loses / tories get a majority, what happens to corbyn's project? |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:35 - Sep 2 with 2194 views | EastTownBlue |
We are lumbered with a maximum of five years of Tory rule and Owen Jones will spend that time making up for excuses for the dear leader. |  | | |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:37 - Sep 2 with 2189 views | Guthrum |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:17 - Sep 2 by Darth_Koont |
You're probably right.
Although I think Labour under Corbyn is closer to what the people of Scotland want from a government, compared to New Labour that was rightly bombed out. Depends a lot on how and when a possible Independence referendum would be included in any arrangement.
But supporting a Labour government could help push through an awful lot of the changes the Scottish government is trying to make. If regenerating the regions, redistributing wealth and diversifying the economy are on the agenda then they'd be foolish to turn that down. It may weaken the case for Independence but it would certainly strengthen the economic and social foundation for it further down the road. |
It's not that Corbyn's Labour and the SNP are in any way a bad match, just that they are Labour. A large part of the SNP's success in 2015 was that they are not that party. By getting too close, they risk losing the differentiation and thus a chunk of their raison d'etre.
Plus Labour are desperately keen to re-establish themselves north of the border and that can only be at the expense of one party. The SNP are going to want to count their fingers after shaking hands with Labour. |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:49 - Sep 2 with 2170 views | TractorWood |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:34 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair, Trump asked to buy Greenland off them and they said no.
We just had a referendum and agree to hand the whole country over for free instead. |
To me that was peak 2019. Trump got offended and cancelled a state trip because Denmark didn't fancy selling Greenland. He called their response to his total assumption disrespectful. Banter. |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:51 - Sep 2 with 2161 views | pointofblue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:17 - Sep 2 by Darth_Koont |
You're probably right.
Although I think Labour under Corbyn is closer to what the people of Scotland want from a government, compared to New Labour that was rightly bombed out. Depends a lot on how and when a possible Independence referendum would be included in any arrangement.
But supporting a Labour government could help push through an awful lot of the changes the Scottish government is trying to make. If regenerating the regions, redistributing wealth and diversifying the economy are on the agenda then they'd be foolish to turn that down. It may weaken the case for Independence but it would certainly strengthen the economic and social foundation for it further down the road. |
I'd think any deal, whether a full coalition or a Confidence and Supply, with the SNP would involve an Independence Referendum at some point within the Government. As an aside, it was SNP votes which brought down the Callaghan Government. | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:56 - Sep 2 with 2154 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
....they will have realised that if enough muck is slung then some will stick. |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:57 - Sep 2 with 2151 views | Ftnfwest |
Momentum’s ‘McDonnell Project’ advances a step closer. |  | | |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:57 - Sep 2 with 2149 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 20:38 - Sep 2 by BlueBadger |
See?
If there's an election on Oct 14th by BrixtonBlue 2 Sep 2019 20:17As much as I have been one of the loudest supporters of Corbyn on here, that should be the end of him. If he can't beat the sh!t show that is the Tories now, he never will. And it will have been down to a brilliant hatchet job by the right wing press and Tory Central Office. It's disgusting, gutter politics, with little interest in what's best for the country, and will see the Tories rule for a long time unless another way can be found to stop them.
I'm clinging onto hope that the British public are better than that. If this country re-elects the Tories after what we've been (and are about to go) through, then we deserve all we get.
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Why is it supporting one party is fine but supporting another is a cult? |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:08 - Sep 2 with 2133 views | factual_blue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:28 - Sep 2 by TractorWood |
We are just in this ridiculous banter era. |
I am deadly serious.
If a nasty sociopath like cummings can hold sway in the UK, then our country no longer works and needs looking after by sensible people like the Danes.
Sadly, they're probably too sensible to take us on. |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:13 - Sep 2 with 2125 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:08 - Sep 2 by factual_blue |
I am deadly serious.
If a nasty sociopath like cummings can hold sway in the UK, then our country no longer works and needs looking after by sensible people like the Danes.
Sadly, they're probably too sensible to take us on. |
I'd prefer Norway! | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:24 - Sep 2 with 2114 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 20:25 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
I won't vote for Tories, liberals, Brexit, UKIP, Greens or Change UK.
I could possibly be persuaded to reluctantly vote Labour IF it looked like a realistic option to stop Brexit. |
You would vote for a party that is currently under investigation by the EHRC for “unlawfully discriminating against people because of their ethnicity and religious beliefs” because there may be an outside chance they would stop something you voted for? |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:27 - Sep 2 with 2106 views | BlueBadger |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 21:57 - Sep 2 by BrixtonBlue |
Why is it supporting one party is fine but supporting another is a cult? |
When any criticism of its leader(s), however slight, results in automatic downvotes from the cultists.
/edit - See? [Post edited 3 Sep 2019 7:00]
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:31 - Sep 2 with 2094 views | J2BLUE |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:24 - Sep 2 by GlasgowBlue |
You would vote for a party that is currently under investigation by the EHRC for “unlawfully discriminating against people because of their ethnicity and religious beliefs” because there may be an outside chance they would stop something you voted for? |
I'm fairly confident I can speak for both of us when I say we never voted for the stupidest interpretation of Brexit possible regardless of the consequences.
I know, I know, hence my reluctance. I didn't say I would definitely vote for them. I could possibly be convinced. Possibly. |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:00 - Sep 2 with 2069 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 22:27 - Sep 2 by BlueBadger |
When any criticism of its leader(s), however slight, results in automatic downvotes from the cultists.
/edit - See? [Post edited 3 Sep 2019 7:00]
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That's it?
So any praise of the Tories doesn't get down votes?
Your insistence of calling him "Dear Leader" is more prevalent. | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:06 - Sep 2 with 2069 views | pointofblue |
A couple of Labour MPs (Mary Creagh and Tony Lloyd) just said on Newsnight that the party would be looking to reject an election being held prior to October 31st. | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:08 - Sep 2 with 2061 views | Guthrum |
I see some "yellow vest" nutters have attacked the Labour rally in Salford and got themselves arrested. | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:10 - Sep 2 with 2056 views | StokieBlue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:06 - Sep 2 by pointofblue |
A couple of Labour MPs (Mary Creagh and Tony Lloyd) just said on Newsnight that the party would be looking to reject an election being held prior to October 31st. |
Isn't that the direct opposite of what JC said this morning though?
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:15 - Sep 2 with 2051 views | pointofblue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:10 - Sep 2 by StokieBlue |
Isn't that the direct opposite of what JC said this morning though?
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Depends if the strategists have got hold of him and he's listened. It could be both MPs spoke without support of the leadership to try and convince him to force his hand from afar. | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:16 - Sep 2 with 2048 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:10 - Sep 2 by StokieBlue |
Isn't that the direct opposite of what JC said this morning though?
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Nope! | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:25 - Sep 2 with 2035 views | StokieBlue |
You sure?
So this morning he said he wouldn't block an immediate election which would ensure Brexit. Of course it's entirely possibly that the party position has changed since he said that, one would hope so anyway.
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:33 - Sep 2 with 2023 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:25 - Sep 2 by StokieBlue |
You sure?
So this morning he said he wouldn't block an immediate election which would ensure Brexit. Of course it's entirely possibly that the party position has changed since he said that, one would hope so anyway.
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Wouldn't stand up in court would it?
Not sure he can fully answer a question in the morning the reality/implications of which were not apparent until 6 this evening either....ball firmly in Boris court at the moment. | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:44 - Sep 2 with 2021 views | pointofblue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:33 - Sep 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Wouldn't stand up in court would it?
Not sure he can fully answer a question in the morning the reality/implications of which were not apparent until 6 this evening either....ball firmly in Boris court at the moment. |
The reality/implications of an election being held two weeks before we're due to leave without a deal must surely have been apparent months ago, let alone this morning? | |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 07:29 - Sep 3 with 1960 views | StokieBlue |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 23:33 - Sep 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Wouldn't stand up in court would it?
Not sure he can fully answer a question in the morning the reality/implications of which were not apparent until 6 this evening either....ball firmly in Boris court at the moment. |
The BBC are reporting he said it again at an event last night so that point doesn't stand up.
Of course the leader of the opposition is going to seek to govern but things are just too important at this time to be so single minded.
Perhaps the policy will have been firmed up by this morning.
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 08:05 - Sep 3 with 1941 views | Herbivore |
The way out of the impasse is not a third general election in just over 4 years. That solves nothing, there is a decent chance we end up with another hung parliament and in any case if the Tories won a parliamentary majority with, say, 35% of the vote - which is quite feasible under FPTP - running on a Brexit at all costs platform it would not give them a mandate to deliver Brexit at all costs from a majority of the electorate. The only way to get such a mandate is a second referendum. Brexit needs to be sorted one way or the other and the only legitimate way to do that is via a second referendum. |  |
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| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 08:07 - Sep 3 with 1937 views | patrickswell |
If they have any sense, they elect Emily Thornberry as leader. |  | | |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 08:17 - Sep 3 with 1933 views | BlueBadger |
| If there's an election on Oct 14th on 08:05 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
The way out of the impasse is not a third general election in just over 4 years. That solves nothing, there is a decent chance we end up with another hung parliament and in any case if the Tories won a parliamentary majority with, say, 35% of the vote - which is quite feasible under FPTP - running on a Brexit at all costs platform it would not give them a mandate to deliver Brexit at all costs from a majority of the electorate. The only way to get such a mandate is a second referendum. Brexit needs to be sorted one way or the other and the only legitimate way to do that is via a second referendum. |
A legally binding one. That way, Vote Leave can't risk the sort of illegalities they've essentially gotten away with over the last three years. A legally binding ref would be declared null and void should the sort of financial doping and vote-rigging that was carried out in 2016 happen again. | |
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