| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:33 - Jan 23 with 5240 views | ClareBlue |
There is no issue about debate around church influence etc..
but read back...an attack on beliefs is not right and an attack on anything they hald scared is offensive.. Agree, disagree, with what the church said, but do not belittele someone because of their bliefs and do not make an important aart of their belif into some kind of pronography - how can any of you think that is acceptable. I would now ask for a clear debate on the Muslim religion. If you want we to start with some public utterances, I can. How are you going to resspond? |  | |  |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:34 - Jan 23 with 5235 views | StokieBlue |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:23 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
I woud suggest you just ignore them. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But you do absoultely do not have the right to belittle or mock anyone who might, or might not, hold any faith or the teachings of that faith. Why are you so engaged with this if it means nothing to do. You know the state protects any individual, so what's the big deal for you? |
You've advised someone to ignore views they don't like whilst having a bit of a meltdown about views you don't like.
It's a bit weird.
SB [Post edited 23 Jan 2020 23:34]
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:35 - Jan 23 with 5231 views | sparks |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:23 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
I woud suggest you just ignore them. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But you do absoultely do not have the right to belittle or mock anyone who might, or might not, hold any faith or the teachings of that faith. Why are you so engaged with this if it means nothing to do. You know the state protects any individual, so what's the big deal for you? |
Nonsense. We have every right to criticise obnoxious views that impact peoples lives.
If you cannot see that the church instructing its millions of members that it is appropriate to be homophobic has an impact on society and people's lives then I despair. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:35 - Jan 23 with 5228 views | jeera |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:33 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
There is no issue about debate around church influence etc..
but read back...an attack on beliefs is not right and an attack on anything they hald scared is offensive.. Agree, disagree, with what the church said, but do not belittele someone because of their bliefs and do not make an important aart of their belif into some kind of pronography - how can any of you think that is acceptable. I would now ask for a clear debate on the Muslim religion. If you want we to start with some public utterances, I can. How are you going to resspond? |
I can help here I think.
All religion, in my opinion, is ridiculous nonsense, including Islam. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:36 - Jan 23 with 5224 views | sparks |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:33 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
There is no issue about debate around church influence etc..
but read back...an attack on beliefs is not right and an attack on anything they hald scared is offensive.. Agree, disagree, with what the church said, but do not belittele someone because of their bliefs and do not make an important aart of their belif into some kind of pronography - how can any of you think that is acceptable. I would now ask for a clear debate on the Muslim religion. If you want we to start with some public utterances, I can. How are you going to resspond? |
What is wrong with attacking beliefs? Beliefs are not people. ... | |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:37 - Jan 23 with 5222 views | eireblue |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:23 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
I woud suggest you just ignore them. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But you do absoultely do not have the right to belittle or mock anyone who might, or might not, hold any faith or the teachings of that faith. Why are you so engaged with this if it means nothing to do. You know the state protects any individual, so what's the big deal for you? |
C of E clergy “should not provide services of blessing for those who register a civil partnership”.
So the C of E is imposing an instruction on C of E clergy, some of whom may have a different view on LGBT issues and civil partnerships. |  | | |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:39 - Jan 23 with 5214 views | Swansea_Blue |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:23 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
I woud suggest you just ignore them. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But you do absoultely do not have the right to belittle or mock anyone who might, or might not, hold any faith or the teachings of that faith. Why are you so engaged with this if it means nothing to do. You know the state protects any individual, so what's the big deal for you? |
I think this would be a nice place to get to when we can just ignore each other. I'm not sure that's possible when there are, for example, initiatives like pro-life groups trying to take away women's rights to determine what's best fo them when they've been raped. And those sorts of messages are also being promote by our politicians.
Unfortunatley it's not as simple as ignoring things, but I'm completely with you that this shouldn't be made personal if it doesn't have to be. People quietly going about their own business who are part of a religious group should be free to do what they want without fear of persecution. Extereme behaviour and practices need to be clamped down on, but most Christians are no more responsible for isolate cases of child abuse in any of the dominations than normal muslims are for any IS attacks.
Live and let live, unless pople are trying to exert control. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:40 - Jan 23 with 5215 views | jeera |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:36 - Jan 23 by sparks |
What is wrong with attacking beliefs? Beliefs are not people. ... |
Because attacking actual real-life people is ok.
If one considers them to be a bit different and they don't fit into one's narrow views.
Just don't attack the words of a made up person who never existed but is a fine figurehead designed with the single purpose to rule and control people through fear and prejudice.
That's not allowed. | |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:45 - Jan 23 with 5210 views | ClareBlue |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:36 - Jan 23 by sparks |
What is wrong with attacking beliefs? Beliefs are not people. ... |
Yes, this I can see. But does it need to be brought down to offensive language about their icons etc, why not just debate.
Bye the way, I not religious at all. My wife is Irish Catholic and my children brought up Catholic, but I have nothing. Just do not accepted the belitting and offensive language of those that disagree. Surely more rational strategy will be more effective if you feel that strong. | | | |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:46 - Jan 23 with 5207 views | jeera |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:39 - Jan 23 by Swansea_Blue |
I think this would be a nice place to get to when we can just ignore each other. I'm not sure that's possible when there are, for example, initiatives like pro-life groups trying to take away women's rights to determine what's best fo them when they've been raped. And those sorts of messages are also being promote by our politicians.
Unfortunatley it's not as simple as ignoring things, but I'm completely with you that this shouldn't be made personal if it doesn't have to be. People quietly going about their own business who are part of a religious group should be free to do what they want without fear of persecution. Extereme behaviour and practices need to be clamped down on, but most Christians are no more responsible for isolate cases of child abuse in any of the dominations than normal muslims are for any IS attacks.
Live and let live, unless pople are trying to exert control. |
"People quietly going about their own business who are part of a religious group should be free to do what they want without fear of persecution".
That's the point here though Swanners, the Church of England isn't some small group is it. They are a large institution who have come out and publicly persecuted elements of society.
It is fundamentally sh1t stirring on a massive scale and just helps to empower the bigots who already think they way they do.
Plus encourages more bigotry amongst others who may be otherwise at least undecided.
Edit: Anyway, I'm done on it and am going to shut up. The whole thing bugs me. I had some amazing friends once who are just brainwashed and it does my head in. [Post edited 23 Jan 2020 23:52]
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:52 - Jan 23 with 5180 views | eireblue |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:33 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
There is no issue about debate around church influence etc..
but read back...an attack on beliefs is not right and an attack on anything they hald scared is offensive.. Agree, disagree, with what the church said, but do not belittele someone because of their bliefs and do not make an important aart of their belif into some kind of pronography - how can any of you think that is acceptable. I would now ask for a clear debate on the Muslim religion. If you want we to start with some public utterances, I can. How are you going to resspond? |
Anyone can have a belief.
No one can impose their belief on another human.
A belief is just like an opinion, not actually sure if there is much of a difference between a deeply held opinion or belief.
But yes, on Islam, well that god seems to have had three major attempts now, for someone supposedly infallible, she is a bit meh. Maybe everyone should simply upgrade to God 3.0, or chuck it all in and refuse to pray and sing hymns until 4.0 is released. | | | |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:58 - Jan 23 with 5173 views | ClareBlue |
Well, plenty of opinons Guys. This is good in the sceme of things, but not sure if it is going to get one over on Lincoln on Saturday, but maybe so. This is a football forum, right?
can we agree that if we win 4.0 the God is real and we all have to follow the teachings of a Guy who has spent the last 20 years studying Latin transcrips and if we only win 3.0 then the Church will have to revisit anything they have ever said.
I hope nobody finds me in the 20K on Saturday. I will be the one on my Knees, obviously | | | |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 02:03 - Jan 24 with 5130 views | connorscontract |
Having tried for years to change it from the inside and be part of a CofE church which is inclusive and does support gay people, I'm done, now. The conservatives have won control of the CofE, but it is dying. I'm off to Scotland, where the Anglicans marry any couple who love each other. | | | |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 02:52 - Jan 24 with 5117 views | Doctor_Earman |
In other religious news, the Pope is a Catholic... | | | |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 06:31 - Jan 24 with 5094 views | bluelagos |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 02:03 - Jan 24 by connorscontract |
Having tried for years to change it from the inside and be part of a CofE church which is inclusive and does support gay people, I'm done, now. The conservatives have won control of the CofE, but it is dying. I'm off to Scotland, where the Anglicans marry any couple who love each other. |
You are a good man CC. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 07:11 - Jan 24 with 5069 views | sparks |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:37 - Jan 23 by eireblue |
C of E clergy “should not provide services of blessing for those who register a civil partnership”.
So the C of E is imposing an instruction on C of E clergy, some of whom may have a different view on LGBT issues and civil partnerships. |
Importantly, its also the teaching which is to be passed on by those clergy to the congregation... | |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 07:21 - Jan 24 with 5061 views | vapour_trail |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:23 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
I woud suggest you just ignore them. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But you do absoultely do not have the right to belittle or mock anyone who might, or might not, hold any faith or the teachings of that faith. Why are you so engaged with this if it means nothing to do. You know the state protects any individual, so what's the big deal for you? |
If you don’t like your bigotry being challenged publicly, keep it private. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 07:26 - Jan 24 with 5052 views | hampstead_blue |
All religion should be classed as 'cults' and banned with immediate effect. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 08:09 - Jan 24 with 5027 views | monytowbray |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:22 - Jan 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite right. We shouldn't be eating meat in sandwiches any more. Callis said so. |
I condone eating as much man meat as one wishes. Preferably whilst in the middle of a pentagram screaming HAIL SATAN. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 08:23 - Jan 24 with 5017 views | GlasgowBlue |
Pah! As if heterosexual married couples are having sex. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 08:49 - Jan 24 with 5003 views | footers |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:03 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
That is exteremely offessive. Just because you do not share the same belief does not give you the right to belittle some that might. Can you actually see this? |
Blimey. If you thought that was offensive you should read my modern version of the gospels. They're a bit like the old ones but directed by Michael Bay and with a lot of product placement. Hard to make people pay attention these days without explosions and motorbikes. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 08:52 - Jan 24 with 4994 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Halesworth church has a rainbow flag flying above it so I am sure that all is well. |  |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 08:54 - Jan 24 with 4981 views | Swansea_Blue |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 08:23 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Pah! As if heterosexual married couples are having sex. |
Many are, just not with each other! | |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 09:04 - Jan 24 with 4970 views | HARRY10 |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 20:34 - Jan 23 by monytowbray |
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wrestler assault a child before... |
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| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 09:26 - Jan 24 with 4937 views | SouperJim |
| C of E on being gay... Just going to leave this here on 23:33 - Jan 23 by ClareBlue |
There is no issue about debate around church influence etc..
but read back...an attack on beliefs is not right and an attack on anything they hald scared is offensive.. Agree, disagree, with what the church said, but do not belittele someone because of their bliefs and do not make an important aart of their belif into some kind of pronography - how can any of you think that is acceptable. I would now ask for a clear debate on the Muslim religion. If you want we to start with some public utterances, I can. How are you going to resspond? |
I've always thought the protection from criticism that religion would otherwise receive, simply because people who have faith feel so strongly, is absurd tbh.
From the modern irreligious viewpoint of the majority, most religions are laughable nonsense. Invisible deities, immaculate conception etc. Completely ridiculous. And yet we are not allowed to say so because people have "deeply held beliefs"?
If I chose to believe I have a magical invisible unicorn called Dave who lives in my bumhole, can shoot lazer beams from his eyes and fart impressive renditions of the entire REM discography, you'd think I was a cupcake short of a sixpack and laugh me out of town. Those beliefs are demonstrably nonsense. But call it a religion and suddenly we all have to leave well alone? |  |
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