| Interview with Bart on 10:47 - Feb 6 with 4332 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Interview with Bart on 10:43 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Showing your colours with your last sentence there. As I suspected. You're re-writing history because you're a Lambert-outer. Mick had us finish in our worst position for 60 years. How on earth you can call that "a good job" is beyond me. |
Probably because he also led us to our 2 best finishes of the last 15 years, whilst working under a budget that placed us in the bottom quarter of Championship teams |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 10:47 - Feb 6 with 4335 views | J4ck22 |
| Interview with Bart on 10:37 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Ok, if you won't accept my evidence shown so far, how about this one. Bart says himself in the article that we had a losing mentality when Lambert came in.
Who to believe?! Bart or you numpties on here?! |
He was probably talking about that specific season after Hurst's nightmare. I doubt he was referring to any point before that, especially with how fondly he talks about Mick. |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 10:47 - Feb 6 with 4330 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 10:37 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Ok, if you won't accept my evidence shown so far, how about this one. Bart says himself in the article that we had a losing mentality when Lambert came in.
Who to believe?! Bart or you numpties on here?! |
That's not "years" though is it, as you claim. In fact parsing his statements he seems to think the spirit was very good until Hurst arrived. So the idea we have had a losing mentality for years and that's responsible for where we are is just utter nonsense. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 10:54 - Feb 6 with 4300 views | itfcjoe |
| Interview with Bart on 10:37 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Ok, if you won't accept my evidence shown so far, how about this one. Bart says himself in the article that we had a losing mentality when Lambert came in.
Who to believe?! Bart or you numpties on here?! |
Did he say we’d had a losing mentality under Mick then, for the years and years previously? Quite the opposite |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:07 - Feb 6 with 4263 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 10:47 - Feb 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Probably because he also led us to our 2 best finishes of the last 15 years, whilst working under a budget that placed us in the bottom quarter of Championship teams |
You're arguing a different point here, none of which I dispute.
It's almost like you see my name and try to think of any way you can have a pop at me. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:07 - Feb 6 with 4264 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 10:42 - Feb 6 by PJH |
I have no argument with that and Bart's interview seems to confirm that.
I just want my man MM exonerated from blame for the situation that we are in now. |
It is however slightly interesting that clubs always go into demise when Mick leaves them. This may be indeed because he is a very good Manager - BCWYWF and all that - and it may also be because he traditionally works at clubs who are always at risk of short term decay. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:08 - Feb 6 with 4258 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 10:47 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
That's not "years" though is it, as you claim. In fact parsing his statements he seems to think the spirit was very good until Hurst arrived. So the idea we have had a losing mentality for years and that's responsible for where we are is just utter nonsense. |
In Mick's last season we finished our lowest placing for 60 years. But no, we didn't have a losing mentality. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:10 - Feb 6 with 4251 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 10:54 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe |
Did he say we’d had a losing mentality under Mick then, for the years and years previously? Quite the opposite |
The previous year, Mick's last, we finished in our lowest position for 60 years. Hardly a winning mentality was it? | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:10 - Feb 6 with 4251 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:08 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
In Mick's last season we finished our lowest placing for 60 years. But no, we didn't have a losing mentality. |
That's not "years and years" either though is it. Nor is it evidence of a "losing mentality". You're having a nightmare here | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:12 - Feb 6 with 4238 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:10 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
The previous year, Mick's last, we finished in our lowest position for 60 years. Hardly a winning mentality was it? |
So if only we had a "winning mentality" we would be doing much better. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:19 - Feb 6 with 4219 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:10 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
That's not "years and years" either though is it. Nor is it evidence of a "losing mentality". You're having a nightmare here |
Not at all. We went from play-off contenders (just about) to rock bottom and League 1 over the course of 5 years. And Bart said we already had a losing mentality when Lambert arrived.
You can pick apart my throwaway "years and years" term if you want, but frankly that's picking on a minor point.
The main point is that Lambert had a hell of a job to turn us around. We were rubbish, devoid of confidence as well as ability, many of the team were inexperienced at Champ level, and we had a losing mentality as evidenced by Bart. Jurgen Klopp coming in would've struggled with that mix and yet some of you want to blame Lambert for relegation!
Bonkers. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:21 - Feb 6 with 4212 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:12 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
So if only we had a "winning mentality" we would be doing much better. |
Where have I said anywhere that it was ONLY down to our mentality?
You're having a nightmare here. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:22 - Feb 6 with 4209 views | itfcjoe |
| Interview with Bart on 11:08 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
In Mick's last season we finished our lowest placing for 60 years. But no, we didn't have a losing mentality. |
And the year after, we finished 12th - so that season stuck out as an anomaly.
If we’d have had a losing mentality that year we’d have gone down
You’ve tied yourself in knots here | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:22 - Feb 6 with 4209 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:19 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Not at all. We went from play-off contenders (just about) to rock bottom and League 1 over the course of 5 years. And Bart said we already had a losing mentality when Lambert arrived.
You can pick apart my throwaway "years and years" term if you want, but frankly that's picking on a minor point.
The main point is that Lambert had a hell of a job to turn us around. We were rubbish, devoid of confidence as well as ability, many of the team were inexperienced at Champ level, and we had a losing mentality as evidenced by Bart. Jurgen Klopp coming in would've struggled with that mix and yet some of you want to blame Lambert for relegation!
Bonkers. |
In no way whatsoever is our progress over that time frame evidence of a "losing mentality". You should just admit this was a stupid thing to say, rather than trying to move the argument on all the time, people may think you're stupid otherwise. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:24 - Feb 6 with 4201 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:21 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Where have I said anywhere that it was ONLY down to our mentality?
You're having a nightmare here. |
So it's a little more complex than that is it? So in that case nobody was "wrong" at all, as you accused them of being earlier? Because opinions can't be wrong, as you told us all before. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:24 - Feb 6 with 4203 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 10:02 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't say it's all the other bloke's fault. But it's mostly the other bloke's fault.
Jurgen Klopp would've struggled to keep that rabble up.
What makes me laugh is the short memory of many on here, and the need to blame the guy in the job right now, regardless of any context. It happens time and time again.
There's just so little patience these days. You want this lumbering ship full of holes turned round and turned into a speedboat overnight. Mick made the best attempt in recent years but even he took us to our lowest finish since the 50's.
ITFC is a much tough job than you realise. |
Lambert is clearly not doing a great job, and he clearly did not do a great job last season. He is struggling, but so has every manager appointed by Marcus Evans, despite having been relatively successful before coming here. Why is that?
There is no (management) structure for the manager to effortless slip into. Clegg (puppet), Milne (puppet) and now Marcus Evans part time, assisted by Lee O`Neil have been the owner's choices to oversee the managing of this club. None of them had/have the relevant background and experience, so it is left up to the newly appointed manager to manage everything himself, even down to supporter liaison. It is no surprise that successive managers have hinted that the club is not run correctly.
The problems with ME are not just about money. Decision making is key. It is about putting the right structure in place, employing experienced people and motivating them to achieve more than they thought possible. MM did a remarkable job under the circumstances, but we were still sliding backwards under his tenure.
ME from the very beginning wanted a short term return on his investment, and that short termism prevails. He has no long term vision for the club and does not consider putting a structure in place for the longer term. Instead, we go from one manager to the next, putting all our faith in their ability, hoping for success, and then sacking them when they ultimately fail. |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 11:26 - Feb 6 with 4194 views | patrickswell |
| Interview with Bart on 10:16 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
This isn't opinion though. It's a fact that Ipswich have been on a downhill trajectory for years. We made the play-offs 5 years ago. We're now in League 1.
Nice to see you jumping on the kick Dolly bandwagon. Anymore for anymore? |
I've only come it at page 2 on this, so apologies if I'm repeating what someone else has said. I see what you're getting at over a losing mentality, but it didn't quite play out that way under Mick's last couple of seasons. What we did get into a mentality of is failing to win big games or converting draws to wins, which has arguably still hung around us since then. The 16th place finish in 16-17 would have been improved had we manged to win games we drew against Reading, Brighton, Norwich, Leeds & Brentford over February/March 2017 and we led in all of those games. Likewise in 2017/18, we were on Sky 3 times (from memory) and two of them ended in draws because we conceded in the 94th minute (Sheffield Weds and Norwich). So a poor mentality was in place for a while now, just Mick's teams were usually savvy enough to come away with something from most games. |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 11:30 - Feb 6 with 4172 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:22 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe |
And the year after, we finished 12th - so that season stuck out as an anomaly.
If we’d have had a losing mentality that year we’d have gone down
You’ve tied yourself in knots here |
We improved by 5 points. It's nothing. The overall trend has been downwards for years. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:32 - Feb 6 with 4166 views | itfcjoe |
| Interview with Bart on 11:30 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
We improved by 5 points. It's nothing. The overall trend has been downwards for years. |
People aren’t denying that, they are talking about this losing mentality we’ve apparently had for years and years despite punching above our weight consistently | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:32 - Feb 6 with 4166 views | LankHenners |
| Interview with Bart on 10:43 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Showing your colours with your last sentence there. As I suspected. You're re-writing history because you're a Lambert-outer. Mick had us finish in our worst position for 60 years. How on earth you can call that "a good job" is beyond me. |
That 16th place was pretty clearly a blip against the other top half finishes. Besides, whether finishing 16th is a good job or not isn’t even the point you made in the first place. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:34 - Feb 6 with 4156 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:22 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
In no way whatsoever is our progress over that time frame evidence of a "losing mentality". You should just admit this was a stupid thing to say, rather than trying to move the argument on all the time, people may think you're stupid otherwise. |
Nope. I'm sticking by it. We've had a losing mentality for years and I've given strong evidence of why I believe this. Without Mick we'd have been down sooner. His pragmatic football was a stay of execution but the downward trend has existed for a long time. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:36 - Feb 6 with 4147 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:24 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
So it's a little more complex than that is it? So in that case nobody was "wrong" at all, as you accused them of being earlier? Because opinions can't be wrong, as you told us all before. |
Answer the question: Where have I said anywhere that it was ONLY down to our mentality?
Where have I said anywhere that it ISN'T a little more complex? | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:40 - Feb 6 with 4139 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:24 - Feb 6 by FrankfurtBlue |
Lambert is clearly not doing a great job, and he clearly did not do a great job last season. He is struggling, but so has every manager appointed by Marcus Evans, despite having been relatively successful before coming here. Why is that?
There is no (management) structure for the manager to effortless slip into. Clegg (puppet), Milne (puppet) and now Marcus Evans part time, assisted by Lee O`Neil have been the owner's choices to oversee the managing of this club. None of them had/have the relevant background and experience, so it is left up to the newly appointed manager to manage everything himself, even down to supporter liaison. It is no surprise that successive managers have hinted that the club is not run correctly.
The problems with ME are not just about money. Decision making is key. It is about putting the right structure in place, employing experienced people and motivating them to achieve more than they thought possible. MM did a remarkable job under the circumstances, but we were still sliding backwards under his tenure.
ME from the very beginning wanted a short term return on his investment, and that short termism prevails. He has no long term vision for the club and does not consider putting a structure in place for the longer term. Instead, we go from one manager to the next, putting all our faith in their ability, hoping for success, and then sacking them when they ultimately fail. |
Absolutely, totally agree with this post.
Glad you agree with me that we were still sliding backwards under Mick, despite the overall good job he was doing.
It's not really the manager that's the problem at this club. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:41 - Feb 6 with 4130 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:26 - Feb 6 by patrickswell |
I've only come it at page 2 on this, so apologies if I'm repeating what someone else has said. I see what you're getting at over a losing mentality, but it didn't quite play out that way under Mick's last couple of seasons. What we did get into a mentality of is failing to win big games or converting draws to wins, which has arguably still hung around us since then. The 16th place finish in 16-17 would have been improved had we manged to win games we drew against Reading, Brighton, Norwich, Leeds & Brentford over February/March 2017 and we led in all of those games. Likewise in 2017/18, we were on Sky 3 times (from memory) and two of them ended in draws because we conceded in the 94th minute (Sheffield Weds and Norwich). So a poor mentality was in place for a while now, just Mick's teams were usually savvy enough to come away with something from most games. |
Yep, totally agree with this. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:41 - Feb 6 with 4131 views | thatdamgood89 |
Great read, although some of it as you would expect is the predictable cut and paste media job.
I do know that there is so much more to come from the Hurst saga that it will be spoken about in many years to come. Depressing chapter in the clubs history |  |
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