| Interview with Bart on 17:50 - Feb 6 with 6313 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 17:15 - Feb 6 by NewcyBlue |
Rather than years of a losing mentality, we’ve had years of lack of investment in, not only in our squad, but our mentality, the stadium, the future.
It now seems that some of that may be getting rectified, but we need a bit of a change in mentality from the very top. |
Yeah I like what someone else said about a proper, experienced director of football, and having an ethos we stick to.
And of course, a new owner with more money to burn than Marcus.
Having said that, some of the money aspect can be mitigated by growing your own players, which seems to have improved since Klug came back. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:02 - Feb 6 with 6285 views | NewcyBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 17:50 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Yeah I like what someone else said about a proper, experienced director of football, and having an ethos we stick to.
And of course, a new owner with more money to burn than Marcus.
Having said that, some of the money aspect can be mitigated by growing your own players, which seems to have improved since Klug came back. |
So really it’s not a losing mentally. It’s a lack of direction.
It’s a lack of additional funding above and beyond staying in the championship. It’s funding the wrong managers, and running a Poundland budget.
The winning mentality was there, Mick had it, the players had it. What happened? We sold Murphy and replaced him with Best. McGoldrick left for free. Cresswell and Mings both went.
We had some very very good players, we kept hold of players at times and let others go at times. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:03 - Feb 6 with 6289 views | Garv |
I always got the impression Lambert was basically doing anything and everything to protect the players' confidence and shield them from any negativity. I still feel like that now.
None of this can excuse poor results, necessarily, but it shows the weak mentality within the squad, certainly bad then, and perhaps still now. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:18 - Feb 6 with 6257 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 18:02 - Feb 6 by NewcyBlue |
So really it’s not a losing mentally. It’s a lack of direction.
It’s a lack of additional funding above and beyond staying in the championship. It’s funding the wrong managers, and running a Poundland budget.
The winning mentality was there, Mick had it, the players had it. What happened? We sold Murphy and replaced him with Best. McGoldrick left for free. Cresswell and Mings both went.
We had some very very good players, we kept hold of players at times and let others go at times. |
I think it's a bit of both to be honest. We clearly did have a losing mentality the fact that when Lambert came in the senior players didn't think we could survive despite a lot of the season to play for (as Bart has said).
And I think it's an ethos rather than a direction that we lack, although I guess the two are similar. Evans knows the direction he wants but he doesn't know how to do it (or can't afford to).
I do think having proper, experienced football people running the show would be a massive help. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:26 - Feb 6 with 6242 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 18:18 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I think it's a bit of both to be honest. We clearly did have a losing mentality the fact that when Lambert came in the senior players didn't think we could survive despite a lot of the season to play for (as Bart has said).
And I think it's an ethos rather than a direction that we lack, although I guess the two are similar. Evans knows the direction he wants but he doesn't know how to do it (or can't afford to).
I do think having proper, experienced football people running the show would be a massive help. |
"We clearly did have a losing mentality"
Just not for "years and years" like you said, which was a very stupid opinion to hold. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:27 - Feb 6 with 6240 views | NewcyBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 18:18 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I think it's a bit of both to be honest. We clearly did have a losing mentality the fact that when Lambert came in the senior players didn't think we could survive despite a lot of the season to play for (as Bart has said).
And I think it's an ethos rather than a direction that we lack, although I guess the two are similar. Evans knows the direction he wants but he doesn't know how to do it (or can't afford to).
I do think having proper, experienced football people running the show would be a massive help. |
I think this losing mentality started with Hurst.
Before that we were just running on a budget far below that which would continue to keep us in the Championship. We were fortunate to have a manager who could pick up the odd gem and managed to win enough matches.
The losing mentality started when the quality of the management team went down. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:40 - Feb 6 with 6215 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 18:26 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
"We clearly did have a losing mentality"
Just not for "years and years" like you said, which was a very stupid opinion to hold. |
Just because you don't like an opinion doesn't make it stupid. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:52 - Feb 6 with 6187 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 18:27 - Feb 6 by NewcyBlue |
I think this losing mentality started with Hurst.
Before that we were just running on a budget far below that which would continue to keep us in the Championship. We were fortunate to have a manager who could pick up the odd gem and managed to win enough matches.
The losing mentality started when the quality of the management team went down. |
I disagree but I'm not going through all that again. I think Mick papered over cracks that were already there. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 18:54 - Feb 6 with 6181 views | NewcyBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 18:52 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I disagree but I'm not going through all that again. I think Mick papered over cracks that were already there. |
Fair enough.
I think you’re wrong though. I think we didn’t have a losing mentality under Mick, but neither did we have a winning mentality. We made up the numbers in the league. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 19:42 - Feb 6 with 6142 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 12:56 - Feb 6 by LevelTheLand |
As someone who rarely posts, so has no personal issue with yourself. You are talking utter nonsense.
We did not have 'years and years' of a losing mentality. We had a season where we made the play-offs (scraped the play-offs, just to keep you happy), followed by a few seasons of mostly top half finishes. Still better than anything we had experienced under the previous 2 managers. Bart clearly says in the article that moods dropped after Mick left, then dropped further shortly after Hurst arrived at which point a losing mentality started to set in. Which, regrettably, Lambert wasn't able to fix.
You have since changed your stance to 'downward trajectory' which is a slightly better way of describing our form after the play-off season. But you seem to be trying to pin more blame on Mick for our current position than Lambert. And whilst we were relegated by Hurst long before PL took over, he is to blame for our questionable performances this season, for which people are right to question if he is the right man for the job. |
Lambert's failure from last season is only a part of the problem. The players didn't help him out at all. The experienced ones, proper blokes they were all awful and they ought to have been accountable for the relegation too.
Just two games for example. Reading away 2-2 draw and the late equaliser for them. If that lazy bag of s**t Knudsen was had moved his ass to help Pennington out we might not have conceded that goal. How can you blame Lambert for the lack of attitude from Knudsen? Number of people will never slate Knudsen though for his poor performances because he said 'nice things' about mccarthy.
Another one is the 2-3 home defeat to Bristol City and the manner in which we gifted them all three goals. Our defence from that day bar Pennington was full of experienced pros and 'proper blokes'. Really awful and schoolboy defending from the players proven at that level. Why blaming Lambert entirely? Why not to question players' attitude?
Lambert failed last season, yes. But so did the players especially those who had been with us for a while. |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 19:54 - Feb 6 with 6128 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Interview with Bart on 19:42 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Lambert's failure from last season is only a part of the problem. The players didn't help him out at all. The experienced ones, proper blokes they were all awful and they ought to have been accountable for the relegation too.
Just two games for example. Reading away 2-2 draw and the late equaliser for them. If that lazy bag of s**t Knudsen was had moved his ass to help Pennington out we might not have conceded that goal. How can you blame Lambert for the lack of attitude from Knudsen? Number of people will never slate Knudsen though for his poor performances because he said 'nice things' about mccarthy.
Another one is the 2-3 home defeat to Bristol City and the manner in which we gifted them all three goals. Our defence from that day bar Pennington was full of experienced pros and 'proper blokes'. Really awful and schoolboy defending from the players proven at that level. Why blaming Lambert entirely? Why not to question players' attitude?
Lambert failed last season, yes. But so did the players especially those who had been with us for a while. |
It boils down to the fact we had a turd squad at Championship level. Jordan Spence and Jordan Roberts aren't even L1 quality and both were regular starters at the start of Lambert's tenure. Pennington can't get a kick at Hull this season (a bang average side). |  | | |
| Capital "I". Cheers. (n/t) on 19:57 - Feb 6 with 6116 views | nodge_blue |
| Capital "I". Cheers. (n/t) on 15:58 - Feb 6 by Bloots |
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Sorted. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 20:19 - Feb 6 with 6091 views | Durovigutum |
| Interview with Bart on 18:52 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I disagree but I'm not going through all that again. I think Mick papered over cracks that were already there. |
Do you mean we were "fragile" rather than had a losing mentality pre-Hurst? I can understand that view as we bottle crunch games, especially the derbies, probably since the Bolton game (or perhaps the Charlton game) in the relegation season under Burley. We just don't have the belief to do the sort of turnaround that we have seen once in a decade many moons ago against Sheff Utd when down to ten men, 2-0 down and won?
MM was grit and grind, but he could get every last ounce out of a player, perhaps being a bit too loyal to them in the process. He is excellent at what he does, which matched the owners ambition, but you could see what he wanted/tried to do and was unable to deliver for the lack of a couple of million quid - perhaps the amount of money relegation and a paid off manager cost us? |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 20:36 - Feb 6 with 6067 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 18:40 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Just because you don't like an opinion doesn't make it stupid. |
That's true but it's still stupid. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 20:53 - Feb 6 with 6037 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Interview with Bart on 17:02 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I think if it hadn't been for Mick yes, it definitely would have happened sooner.
A losing mentality is not believing in yourself. This club hasn't believed in itself for years. How many times in the last few years have you gone to a game truly believing we'd win? I don't think I've regularly felt like that since the days of Burley. |
Even if the last part was true, which I’d dispute, surely a losing mentality would be expecting to lose? |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 20:53 - Feb 6 with 6036 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Interview with Bart on 19:42 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Lambert's failure from last season is only a part of the problem. The players didn't help him out at all. The experienced ones, proper blokes they were all awful and they ought to have been accountable for the relegation too.
Just two games for example. Reading away 2-2 draw and the late equaliser for them. If that lazy bag of s**t Knudsen was had moved his ass to help Pennington out we might not have conceded that goal. How can you blame Lambert for the lack of attitude from Knudsen? Number of people will never slate Knudsen though for his poor performances because he said 'nice things' about mccarthy.
Another one is the 2-3 home defeat to Bristol City and the manner in which we gifted them all three goals. Our defence from that day bar Pennington was full of experienced pros and 'proper blokes'. Really awful and schoolboy defending from the players proven at that level. Why blaming Lambert entirely? Why not to question players' attitude?
Lambert failed last season, yes. But so did the players especially those who had been with us for a while. |
Ahaha
Never change Mach | |
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| Interview with Bart on 21:58 - Feb 6 with 6003 views | CBBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 14:07 - Feb 6 by footers |
Got to go out soon? Sounds like a losing mentality, tbh. |
Haha yes although there's definitely one poster on here without that losing mentality...he's now spent 8 pages refusing to give up. Put him in the team I say, tenacity like that when it's obvious you're losing is exactly what we need. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 23:02 - Feb 6 with 5944 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 20:36 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
That's true but it's still stupid. |
It's not half as stupid as most of the stuff you come out with on a daily basis. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 23:31 - Feb 6 with 5911 views | Herbivore |
| Interview with Bart on 18:40 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Just because you don't like an opinion doesn't make it stupid. |
You literally called people thickos earlier in the thread for disagreeing with you.
This thread has been a pretty remarkable read to be fair. Think we've hit peak Dollers. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 23:59 - Feb 6 with 5880 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Interview with Bart on 16:18 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Roll up, roll up, here comes another one.
Read the thread mate, it's all there. I've explained it countless times. |
Sorry to say but you are having a mare on this thread. Teams with a losing mentality don't win much so by definition wouldn't be in the mid table region. Your logic is completely flawed as others, to no effect, have pointed out to you. [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 0:05]
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| Interview with Bart on 00:35 - Feb 7 with 5855 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Interview with Bart on 17:07 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Are you gonna contribute anything to the discussion Rommers or just look down on others from your high horse?
I can't believe there's anything "incredible" in the suggestion we've had a losing mentality for years. I'd imagine outsiders looking at ITFC would likely think that. We certainly haven't had a winning one for a long time. |
You literally just kept repeating that people’s opinion ‘are wrong’. Opinions can’t be wrong. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 01:04 - Feb 7 with 5826 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 00:35 - Feb 7 by The_Romford_Blue |
You literally just kept repeating that people’s opinion ‘are wrong’. Opinions can’t be wrong. |
I'm of the opinion they can be. |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 06:12 - Feb 7 with 5736 views | eireblue |
| Interview with Bart on 01:04 - Feb 7 by StNeotsBlue |
I'm of the opinion they can be. |
Your opinion, is correct.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: synonym: view.
n. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert.
n. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing.
Of course they can be wrong.
And just before someone says,.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_entitled_to_my_opinion |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 06:31 - Feb 7 with 5717 views | powinswitch |
The sadness is the divisions, particularly evident on here and exemplified in this thread. I was pleased that Mick left. In my view the right man when he arrived, who overstayed, by a year and a bit. Was he a bad man no. Was he doing his best absolutely. The awful abuse I hear he was subjected to is a blight on us.
What has the period since he left brought, relegation, two managers and to be honest football that is generally poor and seemingly without strategic direction. Are we better off without him. Probably not. Was I wrong, well the evidence suggests I was, but i would not now be attending if mick has stayed.
I’d like to believe that those who come on here want the best for the club. It seems we can’t discuss how to achieve that without shouting down the other person’s view. It’s my way or the Stevie Heighway.
If you’re are not willing to listen to other people’s point of view then yours is probably a view not worth reading. But you will still write it, and TWTD will continue to get bogged down with drivel like that. | | | |
| Interview with Bart on 07:42 - Feb 7 with 5642 views | BlueAllOver |
| Interview with Bart on 19:42 - Feb 6 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Lambert's failure from last season is only a part of the problem. The players didn't help him out at all. The experienced ones, proper blokes they were all awful and they ought to have been accountable for the relegation too.
Just two games for example. Reading away 2-2 draw and the late equaliser for them. If that lazy bag of s**t Knudsen was had moved his ass to help Pennington out we might not have conceded that goal. How can you blame Lambert for the lack of attitude from Knudsen? Number of people will never slate Knudsen though for his poor performances because he said 'nice things' about mccarthy.
Another one is the 2-3 home defeat to Bristol City and the manner in which we gifted them all three goals. Our defence from that day bar Pennington was full of experienced pros and 'proper blokes'. Really awful and schoolboy defending from the players proven at that level. Why blaming Lambert entirely? Why not to question players' attitude?
Lambert failed last season, yes. But so did the players especially those who had been with us for a while. |
You are strange. You hate Jonas because of what he said about MM. who you hate despite him being the best manager we have had in the decade.
Lambert is so bad compared to MM but you carry on with your bile. |  | | |
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