| Interview with Bart on 11:46 - Feb 6 with 4911 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:32 - Feb 6 by LankHenners |
That 16th place was pretty clearly a blip against the other top half finishes. Besides, whether finishing 16th is a good job or not isn’t even the point you made in the first place. |
I was just responding to your "good job" point. The worst position in 60 years can't in any way be described as a "good job."
I would also dispute that the 16th place "was clearly a blip". If you look at what's come since it's actually more of an indication of where we were heading. If anything the 12th place finish was a blip. Apart from that year, every year we finished lower than the previous one. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:46 - Feb 6 with 4919 views | artsbossbeard |
Bart reiterating what I was telling anyone who would listen at the time.
It's only fair that Keanish now puts Bart on ignore too. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:54 - Feb 6 with 4885 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:36 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Answer the question: Where have I said anywhere that it was ONLY down to our mentality?
Where have I said anywhere that it ISN'T a little more complex? |
So if it is a little more complex, why did you seek to belittle someone and say they were "wrong"? Opinions can't be wrong as you have told us. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:55 - Feb 6 with 4873 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Interview with Bart on 11:07 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
You're arguing a different point here, none of which I dispute.
It's almost like you see my name and try to think of any way you can have a pop at me. |
That’s the second time in a week you’ve come out with that one
I don’t have a pop at you because of your name, I posted as I disagreed with the point you made, told you why and continued to do so as you doubled and trebled down on it, moving the goalposts and throwing out abuse to other posters to boot |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:55 - Feb 6 with 4883 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:34 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Nope. I'm sticking by it. We've had a losing mentality for years and I've given strong evidence of why I believe this. Without Mick we'd have been down sooner. His pragmatic football was a stay of execution but the downward trend has existed for a long time. |
Wrong. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 11:56 - Feb 6 with 4858 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Interview with Bart on 11:08 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
In Mick's last season we finished our lowest placing for 60 years. But no, we didn't have a losing mentality. |
No we didn’t, in Mick’s last season we finished 12th | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:05 - Feb 6 with 4830 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:54 - Feb 6 by chicoazul |
So if it is a little more complex, why did you seek to belittle someone and say they were "wrong"? Opinions can't be wrong as you have told us. |
I said he was wrong for saying we didn't have a losing mentality. I didn't say anything about any other factors that have contributed to our demise, which is why I guess you won't answer the question. You've ascribed something to me I didn't say. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:07 - Feb 6 with 4825 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Interview with Bart on 11:46 - Feb 6 by artsbossbeard |
Bart reiterating what I was telling anyone who would listen at the time.
It's only fair that Keanish now puts Bart on ignore too. |
Right. Nothing new. |  | | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:09 - Feb 6 with 4821 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:55 - Feb 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That’s the second time in a week you’ve come out with that one
I don’t have a pop at you because of your name, I posted as I disagreed with the point you made, told you why and continued to do so as you doubled and trebled down on it, moving the goalposts and throwing out abuse to other posters to boot |
Where have I moved goalposts? My position has remained the same all along.
You have disagreed with everything I've posted on here for years. If I said there's a Y in the day you'd argue the toss with me about it. Think it's time you went on ignore. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:10 - Feb 6 with 4811 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Interview with Bart on 11:46 - Feb 6 by artsbossbeard |
Bart reiterating what I was telling anyone who would listen at the time.
It's only fair that Keanish now puts Bart on ignore too. |
Hurst really was a kn0b, wasn't he?
*waits patiently for PositivelyPortman to come along and tell me to get over Hurst, he's left etc etc etc. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:11 - Feb 6 with 4803 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 11:56 - Feb 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No we didn’t, in Mick’s last season we finished 12th |
I clearly meant the year before. It's not the point though is it. The point is he had us finishing in our worst position for 60 years.
Goodbye. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:14 - Feb 6 with 4790 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Bart on 11:56 - Feb 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No we didn’t, in Mick’s last season we finished 12th |
Whoops! | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:22 - Feb 6 with 4764 views | itfcjoe |
| Interview with Bart on 11:46 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I was just responding to your "good job" point. The worst position in 60 years can't in any way be described as a "good job."
I would also dispute that the 16th place "was clearly a blip". If you look at what's come since it's actually more of an indication of where we were heading. If anything the 12th place finish was a blip. Apart from that year, every year we finished lower than the previous one. |
When Mick came in we were bottom and had previously finished 15th
We then went
Higher
Higher
Higher
Lower
Lower
Higher
So every year we finished lower was 2 years out of 6, one of which we finished one place lower in the table |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:25 - Feb 6 with 4751 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 12:22 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe |
When Mick came in we were bottom and had previously finished 15th
We then went
Higher
Higher
Higher
Lower
Lower
Higher
So every year we finished lower was 2 years out of 6, one of which we finished one place lower in the table |
What? What's this got to do with anything? We weren't discussing when Mick came in! | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:27 - Feb 6 with 4730 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Interview with Bart on 12:11 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I clearly meant the year before. It's not the point though is it. The point is he had us finishing in our worst position for 60 years.
Goodbye. |
You didn’t though, as you were making the point that we had a losing mentality in Mick’s last season. Whereas in Mick’s last season we finished in the top half and climbed 4 places in the table, which by your own metrics must have meant we had a winning mentality | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:28 - Feb 6 with 4737 views | itfcjoe |
| Interview with Bart on 12:25 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
What? What's this got to do with anything? We weren't discussing when Mick came in! |
You’ve been talking about ‘years and years’, so was just trying to think of a time to start this? Or did you just literally mean 2 years, one of which we finished higher? Or 3 years where we dropped one place and finished higher? | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:29 - Feb 6 with 4737 views | nodge_blue |
Some of the anti Lambert people on here at the minute need to read that. It shows what a mess we were in and how its not easy to turn that around.
We need to stick together and not knee jerk into another manager - at least for a good while yet. [Post edited 6 Feb 2020 15:57]
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| Interview with Bart on 12:37 - Feb 6 with 4701 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 12:28 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe |
You’ve been talking about ‘years and years’, so was just trying to think of a time to start this? Or did you just literally mean 2 years, one of which we finished higher? Or 3 years where we dropped one place and finished higher? |
I've said (several times) in the thread. Since being in the playoffs it's been a downhill trend. That's 5 years. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:38 - Feb 6 with 4696 views | Funge |
| Interview with Bart on 11:46 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I was just responding to your "good job" point. The worst position in 60 years can't in any way be described as a "good job."
I would also dispute that the 16th place "was clearly a blip". If you look at what's come since it's actually more of an indication of where we were heading. If anything the 12th place finish was a blip. Apart from that year, every year we finished lower than the previous one. |
Turns out I had inadvertently put you on Ignore, Dollers, old chum. Sorry about that, not my intention.
In unrelated news, this thread is like having a fight with some wind. |  | | |
| Interview with Bart on 12:38 - Feb 6 with 4696 views | itfcjoe |
| Interview with Bart on 12:37 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
I've said (several times) in the thread. Since being in the playoffs it's been a downhill trend. That's 5 years. |
And I’ve said a few times, no one is questioning the downward trend - but your claim we have had a losing mentality for years and years is wrong | |
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| Agreed, we do need to...... on 12:39 - Feb 6 with 4690 views | Bloots |
| Interview with Bart on 12:29 - Feb 6 by nodge_blue |
Some of the anti Lambert people on here at the minute need to read that. It shows what a mess we were in and how its not easy to turn that around.
We need to stick together and not knee jerk into another manager - at least for a good while yet. [Post edited 6 Feb 2020 15:57]
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...."now knee jerk into another manager"
Well said. |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:50 - Feb 6 with 4661 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Interview with Bart on 12:38 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe |
And I’ve said a few times, no one is questioning the downward trend - but your claim we have had a losing mentality for years and years is wrong |
I've shown my evidence of my belief that we've had a losing mentality for years.
The trend has been downwards for years.
Bart has said we had a losing mentality.
I rest my case. | |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:50 - Feb 6 with 4661 views | JDB23 |
Sounds like our senior pro's were/are pretty mentally weak. Giving up that early instead of rolling their sleeves up with a new manager coming in and really trying to dig us out of the mess. No wonder we still get smacked in any big game. | | | |
| Interview with Bart on 12:52 - Feb 6 with 4652 views | jaykay |
| Interview with Bart on 09:56 - Feb 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Your argument doesn’t make sense, you don’t automatically have a losing mentality just because you finished lower in the league. In fact by your logic we rediscovered a winning mentality in 2017/18 as we finished higher in the league than the season before
Teams with losing mentalities lose nearly every week, not finish in the top half |
i dont think we had a losing mentality or do i think we had a winning mentality otherwise we would have reached the promised land. we were one of the longest standing teams in the championship, so i think we had a comfortable mentality |  |
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| Interview with Bart on 12:56 - Feb 6 with 4642 views | LevelTheLand |
| Interview with Bart on 11:07 - Feb 6 by BrixtonBlue |
You're arguing a different point here, none of which I dispute.
It's almost like you see my name and try to think of any way you can have a pop at me. |
As someone who rarely posts, so has no personal issue with yourself. You are talking utter nonsense.
We did not have 'years and years' of a losing mentality. We had a season where we made the play-offs (scraped the play-offs, just to keep you happy), followed by a few seasons of mostly top half finishes. Still better than anything we had experienced under the previous 2 managers. Bart clearly says in the article that moods dropped after Mick left, then dropped further shortly after Hurst arrived at which point a losing mentality started to set in. Which, regrettably, Lambert wasn't able to fix.
You have since changed your stance to 'downward trajectory' which is a slightly better way of describing our form after the play-off season. But you seem to be trying to pin more blame on Mick for our current position than Lambert. And whilst we were relegated by Hurst long before PL took over, he is to blame for our questionable performances this season, for which people are right to question if he is the right man for the job. |  | | |
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