| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus 20:40 - Mar 19 with 5896 views | ElderGrizzly |
China was 2%. The message from Government was this was a 1% disease.
This is going to get incredibly bad if these statistics don’t ‘soften’
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:49 - Mar 19 with 2440 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:44 - Mar 19 by Edmundo |
With the way global travel was (until recently) and you put together both the suppression of statistics in China with the number of Chinese visitors (especially younger people, over 120000 according to BBC in January), it's highly likely Coronavirus was circulating way before it was officially picked up. It could have been here in January and been mistaken for flu, with some pneumonia complications. |
Highly likely I would think. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:52 - Mar 19 with 2438 views | jeera |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:41 - Mar 19 by J2BLUE |
They are misreporting the actual words for a headline.
He said we could 'turn the tide' which I assume means be on the downward slope of the curve. He did say send it packing but as far as I remember not within 12 weeks. |
He did say something along the lines of getting it 'done' though.
Still trying to communicate with the masses with his dumbing down. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:56 - Mar 19 with 2429 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:41 - Mar 19 by J2BLUE |
They are misreporting the actual words for a headline.
He said we could 'turn the tide' which I assume means be on the downward slope of the curve. He did say send it packing but as far as I remember not within 12 weeks. |
Here is the actual quote. He said it
I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” | | | |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:57 - Mar 19 with 2422 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:52 - Mar 19 by jeera |
He did say something along the lines of getting it 'done' though.
Still trying to communicate with the masses with his dumbing down. |
How are you possibly in a position to judge someone who is faced with this kind of situation?
You analyse and criticise his every word. You haven’t any idea what pressures they are under and how they are trying to buy time.
And what’s wrong with communicating to the masses?? That’s precisely the role of the PM surely. |  | | |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:57 - Mar 19 with 2424 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:39 - Mar 19 by sparks |
It's not what he said. |
But he did. It’s on video. Unless this is like Trump where you then deny it even when it is played back to him.
“I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” | | | |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:59 - Mar 19 with 2412 views | jeera |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:56 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Here is the actual quote. He said it
I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” |
To be fair, Johnson or not - and I cannot stand the guy - the country does need some optimism I suppose, although with a healthy dose of realism thrown in too.
That doesn't make much sense.
I might just log off and try again tomorrow. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 22:00]
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:59 - Mar 19 with 2412 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:57 - Mar 19 by Oxford_Blue |
How are you possibly in a position to judge someone who is faced with this kind of situation?
You analyse and criticise his every word. You haven’t any idea what pressures they are under and how they are trying to buy time.
And what’s wrong with communicating to the masses?? That’s precisely the role of the PM surely. |
Because his language and lack of action here is dangerous.
Suggesting, hoping, advocating etc, but at no time actually making a decision.
And then setting a 12 week timetable that is at odds with any other report for the progress of this virus. | | | |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:00 - Mar 19 with 2411 views | sparks |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:57 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
But he did. It’s on video. Unless this is like Trump where you then deny it even when it is played back to him.
“I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” |
No he didn't. Read it. It does not say 'packing in 12 weeks' and anyone watching it would not reasonably reach that interpretation. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:25 - Mar 19 with 2397 views | Crawfordsboot |
Semantics boys semantics.
The important data analysis is around excess deaths due to coronavirus. China has around 25,000+ deaths per day. 3,000 to 4000 deaths attributable to the virus over the period it has been running is really a relatively small number, (though of course not for the individual concerned).
The majority of deaths occur in individuals with significant underlying health problems therefore the excess deaths will by definition be fewer still.
The number of deaths from coronavirus is not really the problem . It is rather the swamping of medical resources and the lockdown of social and economic activity. Your lives are not in great danger though your wages,or your pension fund might be. |  | | |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:26 - Mar 19 with 2388 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:41 - Mar 19 by J2BLUE |
They are misreporting the actual words for a headline.
He said we could 'turn the tide' which I assume means be on the downward slope of the curve. He did say send it packing but as far as I remember not within 12 weeks. |
He explained that "turning the tide" meant that he wanted to "get on top of it".
I wasn't sure whether he was talking about coronavirus or Jennifer Arcuri at that point, but apart from that perfectly clear 
Link to the abridged version for those interested https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51966721
He was certainly giving the impression that 12 weeks was the aim for a significant improvement, but in true Boris style was a bit waffly and inconclusive when asked to explain. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:26 - Mar 19 with 2386 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:00 - Mar 19 by sparks |
No he didn't. Read it. It does not say 'packing in 12 weeks' and anyone watching it would not reasonably reach that interpretation. |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:36 - Mar 19 with 2367 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:41 - Mar 19 by J2BLUE |
They are misreporting the actual words for a headline.
He said we could 'turn the tide' which I assume means be on the downward slope of the curve. He did say send it packing but as far as I remember not within 12 weeks. |
He should come and say that there is little point in these daily briefings if you are going to twist what I say.
Hugely irresponsible - and these days it isn't just the Red Tops. |  |
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| Sure thing Dr Spock on 22:41 - Mar 19 with 2366 views | Dyland |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:25 - Mar 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Semantics boys semantics.
The important data analysis is around excess deaths due to coronavirus. China has around 25,000+ deaths per day. 3,000 to 4000 deaths attributable to the virus over the period it has been running is really a relatively small number, (though of course not for the individual concerned).
The majority of deaths occur in individuals with significant underlying health problems therefore the excess deaths will by definition be fewer still.
The number of deaths from coronavirus is not really the problem . It is rather the swamping of medical resources and the lockdown of social and economic activity. Your lives are not in great danger though your wages,or your pension fund might be. |
"China has around 25,000+ deaths per day. 3,000 to 4000 deaths attributable to the virus over the period it has been running is really a relatively small number"
It really isn't a relatively small proportion in any rational or reasonable analysis of current events. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:45 - Mar 19 with 2354 views | sparks |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 22:36 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
He should come and say that there is little point in these daily briefings if you are going to twist what I say.
Hugely irresponsible - and these days it isn't just the Red Tops. |
Quite. Appalling from a bbc journalist. | |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 23:22 - Mar 19 with 2328 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:56 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Here is the actual quote. He said it
I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” |
Would you agree that we have turned the tide if for three consecutive days the number of new confirmed cases is lower than the previous day and that the number classified as recovered is rising faster.
To my mind Boris is probably right although I wouldn’t expect any significant relaxation on restricts for 2-3 weeks later. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 23:27 - Mar 19 with 2319 views | J2BLUE |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:57 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
But he did. It’s on video. Unless this is like Trump where you then deny it even when it is played back to him.
“I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” |
Try reading it again. |  |
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| Sure thing Dr Spock on 06:34 - Mar 20 with 2277 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Sure thing Dr Spock on 22:41 - Mar 19 by Dyland |
"China has around 25,000+ deaths per day. 3,000 to 4000 deaths attributable to the virus over the period it has been running is really a relatively small number"
It really isn't a relatively small proportion in any rational or reasonable analysis of current events. |
So 10,000,000 deaths occur naturally in China each year. Coronavirus has caused between 3,000 and 4,000 deaths many of, if not a majority of, which would have occurred anyway as part of the 10,000,000 annual deaths. So say 2,000 at most as a proportion of 10,000,000.
To me trying to make a rational analysis that is a relatively small proportion 2/10,000.
Of course each death is a tragedy for those involved for whom the outcome is absolute, not relative. [Post edited 20 Mar 2020 6:42]
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 06:43 - Mar 20 with 2266 views | Ely_Blue |
You are Piers Morgan and I claim my £20 prize (by bank transfer or contactless of course due to current circumstances) |  |
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| Sure thing Dr Spock on 07:43 - Mar 20 with 2228 views | sparks |
| Sure thing Dr Spock on 06:34 - Mar 20 by Crawfordsboot |
So 10,000,000 deaths occur naturally in China each year. Coronavirus has caused between 3,000 and 4,000 deaths many of, if not a majority of, which would have occurred anyway as part of the 10,000,000 annual deaths. So say 2,000 at most as a proportion of 10,000,000.
To me trying to make a rational analysis that is a relatively small proportion 2/10,000.
Of course each death is a tragedy for those involved for whom the outcome is absolute, not relative. [Post edited 20 Mar 2020 6:42]
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You realise they introduced very extreme measures and limited spread to a tiny proportion of the population don't you?
0.5% of the population are said to have been infected. | |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 07:53 - Mar 20 with 2222 views | TractorWood |
That's pretty misleading. It's been here for weeks circulating and I bet the cases are in the hundreds of thousands. Millions in Italy. It's morbid but because the testing is so hap hazard from country to country, the only comparator is absolute number of deaths.
It's the flaw of trying to give context of a virus that ranges from no symptoms to extremely mild to hospitalisation. |  |
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| Sure thing Dr Spock on 08:18 - Mar 20 with 2215 views | Dyland |
| Sure thing Dr Spock on 06:34 - Mar 20 by Crawfordsboot |
So 10,000,000 deaths occur naturally in China each year. Coronavirus has caused between 3,000 and 4,000 deaths many of, if not a majority of, which would have occurred anyway as part of the 10,000,000 annual deaths. So say 2,000 at most as a proportion of 10,000,000.
To me trying to make a rational analysis that is a relatively small proportion 2/10,000.
Of course each death is a tragedy for those involved for whom the outcome is absolute, not relative. [Post edited 20 Mar 2020 6:42]
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Yeh I get the stats buh. You seem to be making some kind of philosophical point, putting the mortality rate into perspective. As i say, I get it.
The core issue with this pandemic is not the mortality rate, it's the knock-on socioeconomic effects, and corresponding cultural and mental impact. The numbers of COVID-19 deaths as a percentage of general mortality rates is completely irrelevant in any real sense dealing with what is happening. | |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 09:41 - Mar 20 with 2192 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:56 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Here is the actual quote. He said it
I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” |
There's two bits to his first sentence, separated by AND. |  |
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| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 09:45 - Mar 20 with 2191 views | StokieBlue |
| Mortality rate is 4.4% in the UK from Coronavirus on 21:57 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
But he did. It’s on video. Unless this is like Trump where you then deny it even when it is played back to him.
“I think, looking at it all, that we can turn the tide within the next 12 weeks and I’m absolutely confident that we can send coronavirus packing in this country. But only if we all take the steps that we’ve outlined — that is vital.” |
He didn't say it though, not in the way you are implying. You are looking for something that is not there.
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| Sure thing Dr Spock on 10:35 - Mar 20 with 2168 views | sparks |
| Sure thing Dr Spock on 07:43 - Mar 20 by sparks |
You realise they introduced very extreme measures and limited spread to a tiny proportion of the population don't you?
0.5% of the population are said to have been infected. |
Should be 0.05 percent. | |
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| Sure thing Dr Spock on 13:29 - Mar 20 with 2136 views | J2BLUE |
| Sure thing Dr Spock on 10:35 - Mar 20 by sparks |
Should be 0.05 percent. |
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