| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? 22:44 - Apr 10 with 8616 views | MaySixth |
The start of the decline.
Andy Marshall - poor
Finidi George - poor
Tommy Miller - decent
Matteo Sereni - poor
Thomas Gaardsoe - ok
Richard Wright and James Scowcroft left that summer for £7m combined as well |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 22:58 - Apr 10 with 4788 views | davblue |
Albeit I agree with your 2 positive options on those signings, actually for the job they were brought in to do, a premiership squad player neither of them over the course of their careers were good enough for the premiership. |  | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 23:24 - Apr 10 with 4759 views | Moriarty |
Richard Wright, was imho, the sale that undid us in a big way. His agent, J Barnett Esq, played his part and if I recall correctly, Arsenal met the release fee and Wright wanted the move. Scowle, again if I recall correctly, wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the way GB was deploying him.
I think we lost twice to Charlton that season including after being 2 up in the Valley. I’m open to correction there. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 23:43 - Apr 10 with 4736 views | MaySixth |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 23:24 - Apr 10 by Moriarty |
Richard Wright, was imho, the sale that undid us in a big way. His agent, J Barnett Esq, played his part and if I recall correctly, Arsenal met the release fee and Wright wanted the move. Scowle, again if I recall correctly, wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the way GB was deploying him.
I think we lost twice to Charlton that season including after being 2 up in the Valley. I’m open to correction there. |
Correct.
We lost 0-1 at home to Charlton to a late goal from......Kevin Lisbie. It was the first Saturday of the season, a few days after we had smashed Derby 3-1 thanks to a great game from FInidi George,
We were 2-0 up at Charlton in the first 5 minutes thanks to Marcus Bent but we lost 2-3 in the end. This defeat was sandwiched by three wins either side. | |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 00:32 - Apr 11 with 4680 views | jeera |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 23:24 - Apr 10 by Moriarty |
Richard Wright, was imho, the sale that undid us in a big way. His agent, J Barnett Esq, played his part and if I recall correctly, Arsenal met the release fee and Wright wanted the move. Scowle, again if I recall correctly, wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the way GB was deploying him.
I think we lost twice to Charlton that season including after being 2 up in the Valley. I’m open to correction there. |
"Richard Wright, was imho, the sale that undid us in a big way. His agent, J Barnett Esq, played his part and if I recall correctly, Arsenal met the release fee and Wright wanted the move. Scowle, again if I recall correctly, wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the way GB was deploying him."
Yes. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 00:56 - Apr 11 with 4658 views | reusersfreekicks |
Think Sereni was player of the month a few months in a row at the start of his time here |  | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 01:43 - Apr 11 with 4640 views | Hullblue |
Jim Magilton said something interesting on this subject in his Blue Monday interview. He said we lost our last pre-season friendly heavily (5-0 to PSV is ringing a bell but I can’t remember exactly) and that prompted GB to splash out on Finidi and Sereni. Almost as if he panicked.
I still think that if Finidi hadn’t gone to the Cup of Nations we would have stayed up. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 06:48 - Apr 11 with 4481 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 01:43 - Apr 11 by Hullblue |
Jim Magilton said something interesting on this subject in his Blue Monday interview. He said we lost our last pre-season friendly heavily (5-0 to PSV is ringing a bell but I can’t remember exactly) and that prompted GB to splash out on Finidi and Sereni. Almost as if he panicked.
I still think that if Finidi hadn’t gone to the Cup of Nations we would have stayed up. |
We lost to PSV but think it was only 2-0. I was there and they did play us off the park and it was a touch worrying. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 06:59 - Apr 11 with 4466 views | Churchman |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 23:24 - Apr 10 by Moriarty |
Richard Wright, was imho, the sale that undid us in a big way. His agent, J Barnett Esq, played his part and if I recall correctly, Arsenal met the release fee and Wright wanted the move. Scowle, again if I recall correctly, wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the way GB was deploying him.
I think we lost twice to Charlton that season including after being 2 up in the Valley. I’m open to correction there. |
No, you are correct. I was at the Valley for the away game. A cold day. We scored two early goals (Marcus Bent?) and looked ok, but I just had that sense of foreboding you have when you know your team is thin on confidence and a bit rubbish. The roof duly fell in and we lost 3-2. |  | | |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:02 - Apr 11 with 4459 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 06:59 - Apr 11 by Churchman |
No, you are correct. I was at the Valley for the away game. A cold day. We scored two early goals (Marcus Bent?) and looked ok, but I just had that sense of foreboding you have when you know your team is thin on confidence and a bit rubbish. The roof duly fell in and we lost 3-2. |
I seem to recall John Robinson putting in a wild challenge at 0-2 that was as clear a straight red as you're likely to see but the ref only gave a yellow. That seemed to give them a lift and after they got a goal back our fragile confidence seemed to be exposed. | |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:08 - Apr 11 with 4452 views | witchdoctor |
sheepshanks got carried away with all the dosh flying around.... |  | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:16 - Apr 11 with 4433 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:08 - Apr 11 by witchdoctor |
sheepshanks got carried away with all the dosh flying around.... |
Sheepshanks didn't identify the targets. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 8:04]
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:19 - Apr 11 with 4430 views | Pendejo |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 23:24 - Apr 10 by Moriarty |
Richard Wright, was imho, the sale that undid us in a big way. His agent, J Barnett Esq, played his part and if I recall correctly, Arsenal met the release fee and Wright wanted the move. Scowle, again if I recall correctly, wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the way GB was deploying him.
I think we lost twice to Charlton that season including after being 2 up in the Valley. I’m open to correction there. |
Whilst the loss of Weight was massive, I think it was Scowcroft's departure that had a greater affect as it tipped the balance of how the squad had been carefully put together by GB. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:20 - Apr 11 with 4429 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:16 - Apr 11 by Herbivore |
Sheepshanks didn't identify the targets. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 8:04]
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Three words to explain why we went awry - Sven-Göran Eriksson
OK, two words now that I have looked it up on Wikipedia to check my spelling. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:22 - Apr 11 with 4412 views | Churchman |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:02 - Apr 11 by Herbivore |
I seem to recall John Robinson putting in a wild challenge at 0-2 that was as clear a straight red as you're likely to see but the ref only gave a yellow. That seemed to give them a lift and after they got a goal back our fragile confidence seemed to be exposed. |
You are right. I’d forgotten all about that. He’d have certainly been red carded these days. | | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:36 - Apr 11 with 4408 views | Lord_Lucan |
Widening it a little to explain our relegation I think it is a combination of things.
Maybe opposition teams took us more seriously or had sussed us out a bit, maybe we had a false sense of security.
Almost certainly we changed things too much, Finidi and Sereni were both brilliant players, Finidi was one of the best players I have seen play for Ipswich and Sereni was definitely the best goalkeeper I have seen. Finidi was probably used incorrectly and I think there was a communication problem with Sereni.
The Liverpool defeat done for us as we had had a massive resurgence up to then, people were talking about Europe again but that international break did for us.
The biggest thing though IMHO was Dale Roberts |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:09 - Apr 11 with 4326 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:36 - Apr 11 by Lord_Lucan |
Widening it a little to explain our relegation I think it is a combination of things.
Maybe opposition teams took us more seriously or had sussed us out a bit, maybe we had a false sense of security.
Almost certainly we changed things too much, Finidi and Sereni were both brilliant players, Finidi was one of the best players I have seen play for Ipswich and Sereni was definitely the best goalkeeper I have seen. Finidi was probably used incorrectly and I think there was a communication problem with Sereni.
The Liverpool defeat done for us as we had had a massive resurgence up to then, people were talking about Europe again but that international break did for us.
The biggest thing though IMHO was Dale Roberts |
We also had no senior strikers for a fair few weeks early in the season. Stewart had his jaw broken, Armstrong was injured. Those two had been massive for us the second half of the season before.
Teams definitely played differently against us, I remember that Charlton game and they parked the bus. I seem to remember Everton doing similar. We struggled to break sides down, especially without our best strikers.
Finidi and Sereni individually were good players and too much gets pinned on them. It's more that they were a symptom of a change in approach that didn't really work. It hadn't really been our thing to spend big on established players from overseas, even Reuser didn't really fall into that category. It's easy to look at that and say it upset harmony in the dressing room, but I think there were a lot of factors that contributed to our demise and not all of them were self-inflicted. | |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:24 - Apr 11 with 4275 views | Dubtractor |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:09 - Apr 11 by Herbivore |
We also had no senior strikers for a fair few weeks early in the season. Stewart had his jaw broken, Armstrong was injured. Those two had been massive for us the second half of the season before.
Teams definitely played differently against us, I remember that Charlton game and they parked the bus. I seem to remember Everton doing similar. We struggled to break sides down, especially without our best strikers.
Finidi and Sereni individually were good players and too much gets pinned on them. It's more that they were a symptom of a change in approach that didn't really work. It hadn't really been our thing to spend big on established players from overseas, even Reuser didn't really fall into that category. It's easy to look at that and say it upset harmony in the dressing room, but I think there were a lot of factors that contributed to our demise and not all of them were self-inflicted. |
Sereni was 10 times the keeper Marshall was. Not really sure why people see him as a poor player. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:30 - Apr 11 with 4264 views | EastTownBlue |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:22 - Apr 11 by Churchman |
You are right. I’d forgotten all about that. He’d have certainly been red carded these days. |
Should have been red carded in those days as well. It was a blip during the season's only good spell which collapsed badly following that heavy Liverpool defeat. |  | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:42 - Apr 11 with 4219 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 01:43 - Apr 11 by Hullblue |
Jim Magilton said something interesting on this subject in his Blue Monday interview. He said we lost our last pre-season friendly heavily (5-0 to PSV is ringing a bell but I can’t remember exactly) and that prompted GB to splash out on Finidi and Sereni. Almost as if he panicked.
I still think that if Finidi hadn’t gone to the Cup of Nations we would have stayed up. |
Didn’t our decent run of form coincide with Finidi going time Africa. Seem to recall we were bottom before Christmas and by the time he came back people were getting carried away and taking about European qualification again? |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:04 - Apr 11 with 4183 views | Dennyx4 |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:09 - Apr 11 by Herbivore |
We also had no senior strikers for a fair few weeks early in the season. Stewart had his jaw broken, Armstrong was injured. Those two had been massive for us the second half of the season before.
Teams definitely played differently against us, I remember that Charlton game and they parked the bus. I seem to remember Everton doing similar. We struggled to break sides down, especially without our best strikers.
Finidi and Sereni individually were good players and too much gets pinned on them. It's more that they were a symptom of a change in approach that didn't really work. It hadn't really been our thing to spend big on established players from overseas, even Reuser didn't really fall into that category. It's easy to look at that and say it upset harmony in the dressing room, but I think there were a lot of factors that contributed to our demise and not all of them were self-inflicted. |
Agree with most of that - teams parked the bus for sure and had seen how we wanted to play.
Stewart was about at the beginning of the season and started 16 of our first 17 games the season we got relegated - think the Jaw incident was very late October/ early November.
I liked Finidi - he actually made a difference to the team, and think he gets a hard time from some, as one of the few changes from the previous season. |  | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:07 - Apr 11 with 4171 views | Dennyx4 |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:42 - Apr 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn’t our decent run of form coincide with Finidi going time Africa. Seem to recall we were bottom before Christmas and by the time he came back people were getting carried away and taking about European qualification again? |
Bit of a mix re Finidi - we won 4 out of 6 whilst he was away with the 6th game being the 0-6 v Liverpool.
However we won 3 out of his last 4 games before he went, with the Charlton 2-3 being his last game before he left for the African cup. | | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:12 - Apr 11 with 4154 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 08:42 - Apr 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn’t our decent run of form coincide with Finidi going time Africa. Seem to recall we were bottom before Christmas and by the time he came back people were getting carried away and taking about European qualification again? |
No, our run of form coincided with Finidi’s return from injury and started with the away win at Spurs just before Christmas, in which Finidi scored.
Finidi was then instrumental in our run of good form in late December, through January and February, and the return of our poor form continued with him going to the AFCON.
Him and Sereni were two of our best players that season. |  |
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| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:19 - Apr 11 with 4131 views | Dennyx4 |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:12 - Apr 11 by ITFC_Forever |
No, our run of form coincided with Finidi’s return from injury and started with the away win at Spurs just before Christmas, in which Finidi scored.
Finidi was then instrumental in our run of good form in late December, through January and February, and the return of our poor form continued with him going to the AFCON.
Him and Sereni were two of our best players that season. |
Finidi went to the African tournament in January, just after our 2-3 loss to Charlton.
We had certainly picked up form before he left with three straight wins prior to the Charlton defeat. Win away to Tottenham and two home wins v Leicester & Sunderland.
The Sunderland game was the 5-0 win with Finidi's great lob goal. | | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:31 - Apr 11 with 4090 views | andytown |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 07:20 - Apr 11 by WeWereZombies |
Three words to explain why we went awry - Sven-Göran Eriksson
OK, two words now that I have looked it up on Wikipedia to check my spelling. |
Why Sven g e? Thanks | | | |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 10:01 - Apr 11 with 4043 views | ParisBlue |
| Why did Burley's brilliant recruitment go awry in the summer of 2001? on 09:12 - Apr 11 by ITFC_Forever |
No, our run of form coincided with Finidi’s return from injury and started with the away win at Spurs just before Christmas, in which Finidi scored.
Finidi was then instrumental in our run of good form in late December, through January and February, and the return of our poor form continued with him going to the AFCON.
Him and Sereni were two of our best players that season. |
Sereni was good in the first half of the season. I remember him making save after save against Everton in a 0-0 draw. Burley should have handled his request not to play in the cup game a bit better.
The Liverpool game hit us hard, I think it was 3 weeks till the next game, Southampton, and it's that one which I think did for our confidence. Chris Marsden ffs. On my birthday as well. We just never got going after that. Did we miss a penalty vs Villa? Then the terrible Bolton performance.
But unlike most of our other relegations (1964, 1995, 2019) we perhaps didn't deserve to be relegated and we weren't one if the worst 3 teams. The previous season everything went for us. The Charlton game in August we battered them but lost to a Kevin Lisbie wonder goal in front of an empty North Stand. That just about summed it up.
Special word on Andy Marshall. He actually started OK, but he was to blame for our defensive woes and failing confidence over 18 month period, perhaps ensuring relegation and certainly preventing us from going back up. Without doubt Burley's biggest mistake. |  |
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