| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts 16:45 - Apr 21 with 4000 views | Tommyparker |
Twitter says it does not currently see evidence that the UK government has tried to manipulate cornonavirus using fake accounts.
It comes after claims began circulating on social media implying the Department of Health and social care was behind a network of Twitter accounts pretending to be NHS staff.
The Department of Health tweeted that the claims were " categorically false".
Twitter adds that it " will remove any pockets of smaller coordinated attempts to distort or inorganically influence the conversation".
The BBC also currently has no evidence to support the suggestion these allegedly fake accounts had anything to do with the UK government. |  | | |  |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:31 - Apr 21 with 1622 views | Lord_Lucan |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 19:46 - Apr 21 by BlueBadger |
...but not politicians who persistently and blatantly lie, double down on it and utilise it as a strategy?
I saw this a few times in the last day or so, thought 'it looks dodgy' so didn't pass it on particularly after doing roughly 30 seconds' googling, but I can see how people might believe it, given how it's precisely the sort of thing they've pulled in the past - remember the invented welfare claimants from a few years ago?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/18/dwp-admits-making-up-positive-qu |
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I think people realise politicians lie though. They expect news to be the truth and carefully researched, they also expect journalism, not opinionism. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:41 - Apr 21 with 1615 views | sparks |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:31 - Apr 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Their official party has form for this, as pointed out. That should ring massive alarm bells that the party of power would act like that.
However, you are right there is no evidence either way. It is quite likely they may have learned their lesson and these accounts (that appear to exist) are run by individuals (who may or may not have official roles within the party) rather than set up by the official party.
The problem is partly the propensity for disinformation and partly the proven form of the Conservative Party for being at the centre of it. It is also partly that those who support the party seem to see no problem with it.
At least admit they have form for it and that alone is disgraceful. |
This "form", was not analagous was it?
It was dishonest, despicable and intentional. It was not actively concealed denied. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:54 - Apr 21 with 1587 views | monytowbray |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:41 - Apr 21 by sparks |
This "form", was not analagous was it?
It was dishonest, despicable and intentional. It was not actively concealed denied. |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:58 - Apr 21 with 1587 views | itfcjoe |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 19:40 - Apr 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Ha Ha
Misspoke |
It’s beyond satire. (Yes this is actually a real letter)
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:04 - Apr 21 with 1575 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 20:54 - Apr 21 by monytowbray |
#ReleaseTheRussiaReport |
That genuinely isn't analogous.
Quite how he can argue setting up false accounts purporting to be independent fact checking sites is not analogous to setting up false accounts purporting to be NHS employees is beyond me.
However, I learnt a long time ago not to bother engaging in arguments with Sparks. They go nowhere and he is soon describing any argument he doesn't like as fallacious. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:11 - Apr 21 with 1558 views | monytowbray |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:04 - Apr 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That genuinely isn't analogous.
Quite how he can argue setting up false accounts purporting to be independent fact checking sites is not analogous to setting up false accounts purporting to be NHS employees is beyond me.
However, I learnt a long time ago not to bother engaging in arguments with Sparks. They go nowhere and he is soon describing any argument he doesn't like as fallacious. |
He’s got me div listed these days. I remember the early days when I accused him of being a Tory based on his posts and he got so upset he added a dig at me in his signature that stayed there for 2 years.
I’m still confused as to why a few posters on here who clearly have brains on them are so keen to accept the government line as fact despite all evidence saying contrary. Many of which then hop into a thread about the leaked Labour report and do a complete 180 on the lack of scrutiny.
Oh and then a handful of them also shout PERLERTERKEL PERNT SKERERNG ironically in the process too.
There’s been a few posters on here I’m genuinely surprised to see taking a hard stance against the sh1tshow were witnessing though so there are positives. And then we have the resident TWTD avatar right wing mouth breathers too who 5 weeks ago screamed anyone who dared criticise the government just had an anti Tory agenda and have since gone very quiet bar the odd down arrow.
Crazy times. [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 21:13]
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:16 - Apr 21 with 1556 views | Lord_Lucan |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:11 - Apr 21 by monytowbray |
He’s got me div listed these days. I remember the early days when I accused him of being a Tory based on his posts and he got so upset he added a dig at me in his signature that stayed there for 2 years.
I’m still confused as to why a few posters on here who clearly have brains on them are so keen to accept the government line as fact despite all evidence saying contrary. Many of which then hop into a thread about the leaked Labour report and do a complete 180 on the lack of scrutiny.
Oh and then a handful of them also shout PERLERTERKEL PERNT SKERERNG ironically in the process too.
There’s been a few posters on here I’m genuinely surprised to see taking a hard stance against the sh1tshow were witnessing though so there are positives. And then we have the resident TWTD avatar right wing mouth breathers too who 5 weeks ago screamed anyone who dared criticise the government just had an anti Tory agenda and have since gone very quiet bar the odd down arrow.
Crazy times. [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 21:13]
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Just so I know.
Are you accusing me of being a TWTD avatar right wing mouth breather? | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:17 - Apr 21 with 1549 views | monytowbray |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:16 - Apr 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Just so I know.
Are you accusing me of being a TWTD avatar right wing mouth breather? |
Do you have the TWTD logo as your avatar? | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:21 - Apr 21 with 1547 views | Lord_Lucan |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:17 - Apr 21 by monytowbray |
Do you have the TWTD logo as your avatar? |
No, but I also don't see that many people have so I just posed the question out of interest. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:23 - Apr 21 with 1541 views | sparks |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:04 - Apr 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That genuinely isn't analogous.
Quite how he can argue setting up false accounts purporting to be independent fact checking sites is not analogous to setting up false accounts purporting to be NHS employees is beyond me.
However, I learnt a long time ago not to bother engaging in arguments with Sparks. They go nowhere and he is soon describing any argument he doesn't like as fallacious. |
Its simple. It wasnt a false account in respect of the fact checking. It was a purposely misleading website which nevertheless had confirmation of what it really was if you looked hard enough- so as to give them some form of "get out".
Its a different thing. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:23 - Apr 21 with 1537 views | monytowbray |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:21 - Apr 21 by Lord_Lucan |
No, but I also don't see that many people have so I just posed the question out of interest. |
My personal favourite one is PortmanKing. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:29 - Apr 21 with 1529 views | footers |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:23 - Apr 21 by sparks |
Its simple. It wasnt a false account in respect of the fact checking. It was a purposely misleading website which nevertheless had confirmation of what it really was if you looked hard enough- so as to give them some form of "get out".
Its a different thing. |
So how do you know this latest one is false? Where's your evidence?
And I also don't buy that defence either, it's flimsy af. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:31 - Apr 21 with 1526 views | sparks |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:29 - Apr 21 by footers |
So how do you know this latest one is false? Where's your evidence?
And I also don't buy that defence either, it's flimsy af. |
I dont- and I havent said so....
I have simply said the analogy is less than perfect- because the "form" people are referring to (probably encouraged by some tweeting media type or momentum front office) is not for the same thing. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:31 - Apr 21 with 1526 views | Lord_Lucan |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:23 - Apr 21 by monytowbray |
My personal favourite one is PortmanKing. |
I actually have a genuine attention and memory issue so I don't really remember the way posters think or their viewpoints unless they are a longstanding poster and I only skim most threads anyway so miss most of what goes on.
Probably for the best. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:38 - Apr 21 with 1511 views | footers |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:31 - Apr 21 by sparks |
I dont- and I havent said so....
I have simply said the analogy is less than perfect- because the "form" people are referring to (probably encouraged by some tweeting media type or momentum front office) is not for the same thing. |
You called it dishonest, so what is dishonest about it?
And no, the people in question have manipulated the same social media channels in a disingenuous manner to spin the narrative on more than one occasion, that we do know.
It's telling that you bring Momentum into it though. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 22:08 - Apr 21 with 1478 views | sparks |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 21:38 - Apr 21 by footers |
You called it dishonest, so what is dishonest about it?
And no, the people in question have manipulated the same social media channels in a disingenuous manner to spin the narrative on more than one occasion, that we do know.
It's telling that you bring Momentum into it though. |
Not sure what point you are trying to make here.
The fact check thing was dishonest because it purposely tried to fool people who were not paying attention. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 22:37 - Apr 21 with 1458 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 22:08 - Apr 21 by sparks |
Not sure what point you are trying to make here.
The fact check thing was dishonest because it purposely tried to fool people who were not paying attention. |
Whereas if these are false accounts (which appears to be accepted), they are purposely trying to fool people who are not paying attention (or who would like to believe the narrative that most suits them).
I really can't see how you can defend the idea that this is totally different.
I accept there is no evidence it is actually the Conservative Party in this case, however. Despite your protestations, they have form though. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 23:40 - Apr 21 with 1435 views | tractordownsouth |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 18:34 - Apr 21 by sparks |
Heres the problem....
You juxtapose that with the story and you are essentially saying its reasonable to assume without evidence. This is how people are now reaosning, and how the media manipulate us.
Its like that dreadful times articlet he other day which effectively said- people may have died as a result of failings. Boris missed some meetings. Deliberately and disingenuously juxtaposing the two to persuade people that the two were inevitably connected. |
I think the worst thing in the article is the fact that Boris supposedly ignored calls to order PPE in February, despite the WHO declaring a global health emergency on January 31st.
The Cobra thing shows his lack of work ethic. Those defending him saying "the PM doesn't usually do Cobras anyway" are failing to grasp the severity of the situation... Gordon Brown chaired all the meetings during Foot and Mouth, which was far less serious.
It's also a common theme with Boris... people who've worked with him as Mayor, Foreign Secretary and now PM have said he's lazy. I was listening to Iain Dale and Jacqui Smith's podcast the other day and she said that when she was Home Secretary and he was Mayor, he rocked up 45 minutes late to a briefing and was surprised when people didn't recap it all for his benefit. Just shows the arrogance of the man. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 23:50 - Apr 21 with 1426 views | bournemouthblue |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 18:34 - Apr 21 by sparks |
Heres the problem....
You juxtapose that with the story and you are essentially saying its reasonable to assume without evidence. This is how people are now reaosning, and how the media manipulate us.
Its like that dreadful times articlet he other day which effectively said- people may have died as a result of failings. Boris missed some meetings. Deliberately and disingenuously juxtaposing the two to persuade people that the two were inevitably connected. |
Indeed, however it isn't the only case during the election of a lie linking to fake news pedalled suspiciously
Remember this story during the election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50728920
I've worked in Social Media and it most certainly goes on in business so why wouldn't it happen in politics? Politics is one of the area where very sophisticated resources are pumped into Social Media campaigns, these kind of dirty tricks will undoubtedly be happening.
There are many states around the world who deliberately act in this way too, we ourselves almost certainly do it around the world too, we'd be incredibly naive to think it doesn't. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 23:57 - Apr 21 with 1421 views | sparks |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 22:37 - Apr 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whereas if these are false accounts (which appears to be accepted), they are purposely trying to fool people who are not paying attention (or who would like to believe the narrative that most suits them).
I really can't see how you can defend the idea that this is totally different.
I accept there is no evidence it is actually the Conservative Party in this case, however. Despite your protestations, they have form though. |
I suggest you read what I have actually written, because your comments don't seem to bear any relation to what I have said. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 09:39 - Apr 22 with 1364 views | bournemouthblue |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 23:57 - Apr 21 by sparks |
I suggest you read what I have actually written, because your comments don't seem to bear any relation to what I have said. |
I agree 100% with you that we can only go on the evidence provided
There is no smoke without fire and we know certainly that in the post-truth world, nothing is quite as it seems
The Tory Party have quite openly shown they are willing to lie digitally, I'm sure there was a minister who went as far to suggest that it's open season on social media so all is fair in love and war
We had those edited attack videos to make Keir Starmer look incompetent for example
So it's happened quite overtly and thus knowing the Social Media world and how it operates, it concerns me how people like this are willing to operate Covertly. | |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 09:42 - Apr 22 with 1360 views | lowhouseblue |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 09:39 - Apr 22 by bournemouthblue |
I agree 100% with you that we can only go on the evidence provided
There is no smoke without fire and we know certainly that in the post-truth world, nothing is quite as it seems
The Tory Party have quite openly shown they are willing to lie digitally, I'm sure there was a minister who went as far to suggest that it's open season on social media so all is fair in love and war
We had those edited attack videos to make Keir Starmer look incompetent for example
So it's happened quite overtly and thus knowing the Social Media world and how it operates, it concerns me how people like this are willing to operate Covertly. |
what about smoke machines? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 10:11 - Apr 22 with 1340 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 09:42 - Apr 22 by lowhouseblue |
what about smoke machines? |
Dry ice |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 10:28 - Apr 22 with 1330 views | NthQldITFC |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 19:40 - Apr 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Ha Ha
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I'm not sure when that 'word' came into existence, but imho it is the perfect illustration of the low, dishonest, brass-necked manipulative nature of the type of human that floats to the top of governments, businesses and other filthy organisations all around the planet. |  |
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| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 11:04 - Apr 22 with 1314 views | flimflam |
| No evidence linking UK government to fake NHS accounts on 19:06 - Apr 21 by Tommyparker |
The scheme has not yet delivered any items to it's participants. Ventilators will be ready in ten weeks. |
While we however are actively delivering brand spanking new ventilators as we speak. |  |
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