| This pressure to end the lockdown 08:50 - Apr 27 with 10598 views | Steve_M |
Is it coming from anywhere other than the same right-wing columnists and media pundits who didn't want it in the first place? Opinion polls at the end of last week remained broadly supportive and suggests much of the public isn't expecting an imminent change.
Yes, it is undoubtedly doing economic damage to the country but then tens of thousands of deaths do that too. It's too early and the UK lacks the testing and contact tracing facilities, as yet, to ease it significantly.
I'm not convinced by long-lens pictures which compress people into seemingly larger groups on tabloid front pages. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:50 - Apr 27 with 1630 views | sparks |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:44 - Apr 27 by StokieBlue |
Why do you question the research of qualified scientists? I think it's probably dangerous if you think for yourself so best stop it now. It's certainly dangerous for you to post the absolute rubbish you are at the moment.
It is not "perfectly safe" for people to come round and sit in the garden. They could have touched all manner of things, they could have coughed.
If the virus mutates into something bad it will because of people like you who have given it vectors to persist, multiply and mutate.
Frankly your attitude is unbelievable and selfish. You're the problem not everyone else.
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Quite right. The longer it is out there, in large numbers and concentrations and in varied environments, the more prospect there is of significant and problematic mutation... |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:50 - Apr 27 with 1637 views | PhilTWTD |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:26 - Apr 27 by sparks |
Why is this budgie troll continuing to be allowed to post disinformation and ill conceived innuendo on here? |
He's not a Norwich troll, he's obviously a Town fan from the blogs he's posted in the past.
While I obviously don't particularly like misinformation being posted on here on such a serious subject, I think the way other users counter them - for example in other areas of this thread - and knock them down is actually a positive and prevents them from gaining much traction. |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:52 - Apr 27 with 1622 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:17 - Apr 27 by gordon |
I'm not convinced that we're still wrong - I think the penny has dropped now that we just have to do what everyone else does.
We still do spend too much time talking about antibody tests and vaccines - so-called 'game-changers' (it's similar in America, although there they talk about nonsensical cures as well) and not enough time talking about how we're going to sensibly and sustainably manage this disease over the next few years, and how we're going to build public support for those measures. |
Agreed... the other reason Sweden is interesting is that the are just about the only country in the civilised world...well europe... who have fewer hospital beds per 1,000 in the population than we do - so they were just as vulnerable to their hospitals being overwhelemed as we were - but took a remarkably different approach.
The problem with our somewhat casual and lax 'lockdown' is that its difficult to emerge from.... we still dont know where the infections are coming from (other than now largely NHS workers, carers etc, those in direct contact with the virus), nor is testing likely to help overmuch.... at 100,000 tests per day it (with a test that could give you the disease just travelling to take it - assuming you hadnt got it already) it would be 580 days before everyone is tested... and you'd have to keep testing ad infinitum because you can catch it at any time.
The only sensible answer is to eliminate NHS workers etc from the public's food chain.... perhaps have designated supermarkets or entirely home delivery... but we've opted for clapping.
All in all its rather fortunate that this virus appears so benign - particularly in children - which may possibly prevent the doomsday scenario in 3rd world countries which have so far not happened - as far as we know. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:52 - Apr 27 with 1620 views | eireblue |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:45 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
No, not ashamed at all.
And the couple of research links posted from Guthrum about aerosols are mainly to do with inside and in any case are theoretical. Apparently we still don't know for sure if this virus is airborne.
And maybe the virus does linger on objects, so wash your hands regularly.
So to say it is "simply not true" is wrong.
And people came come round and sat in the garden, perfectly safe.
But people don't come round very often so no big deal.
What makes you the expert here. Why won't you question the advice given, why won't you think for yourself?
Summer is coming, enjoy whilst respecting other peoples space, it may be your last if this virus mutates into something bad. |
“I know nothing about this virus ...”
It is always funny to see someone be so vacuous from a self-confessed position of ignorance. |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:52 - Apr 27 with 1624 views | sparks |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:50 - Apr 27 by PhilTWTD |
He's not a Norwich troll, he's obviously a Town fan from the blogs he's posted in the past.
While I obviously don't particularly like misinformation being posted on here on such a serious subject, I think the way other users counter them - for example in other areas of this thread - and knock them down is actually a positive and prevents them from gaining much traction. |
You surprise me about the Budgie thing- he is never denied it despite being accused by a number of others. And has consistently posted the most obviously trollish things about ITFC, Evans etc.
But fair enough. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:54 - Apr 27 with 1608 views | NotSure |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:44 - Apr 27 by StokieBlue |
Why do you question the research of qualified scientists? I think it's probably dangerous if you think for yourself so best stop it now. It's certainly dangerous for you to post the absolute rubbish you are at the moment.
It is not "perfectly safe" for people to come round and sit in the garden. They could have touched all manner of things, they could have coughed.
If the virus mutates into something bad it will because of people like you who have given it vectors to persist, multiply and mutate.
Frankly your attitude is unbelievable and selfish. You're the problem not everyone else.
SB |
Because the scientists are not agreeing about this.
Stop pretending it's 100% of the qualified scientific profession agreeing with full lockdown.
Absolute nonsense.
This virus isn't going to go away because we hide from it. Do you think the common cold or flu are also going to disappear?
Governments around the world are doing this because they have to be seen to be doing something. Not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:00 - Apr 27 with 1587 views | NotSure |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:52 - Apr 27 by eireblue |
“I know nothing about this virus ...”
It is always funny to see someone be so vacuous from a self-confessed position of ignorance. |
Well the point is none of us know anything but apparently full lockdown is definitely correct.
I just have an opinion based on previous rhino and corona viruses. | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:03 - Apr 27 with 1576 views | sparks |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:54 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Because the scientists are not agreeing about this.
Stop pretending it's 100% of the qualified scientific profession agreeing with full lockdown.
Absolute nonsense.
This virus isn't going to go away because we hide from it. Do you think the common cold or flu are also going to disappear?
Governments around the world are doing this because they have to be seen to be doing something. Not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |
This is a strawman argument.
Noone says that scientists are 100% in agreement or certain about things.
Saying as much does not answer the criticisms directed at you. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:05 - Apr 27 with 1573 views | Guthrum |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:52 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Agreed... the other reason Sweden is interesting is that the are just about the only country in the civilised world...well europe... who have fewer hospital beds per 1,000 in the population than we do - so they were just as vulnerable to their hospitals being overwhelemed as we were - but took a remarkably different approach.
The problem with our somewhat casual and lax 'lockdown' is that its difficult to emerge from.... we still dont know where the infections are coming from (other than now largely NHS workers, carers etc, those in direct contact with the virus), nor is testing likely to help overmuch.... at 100,000 tests per day it (with a test that could give you the disease just travelling to take it - assuming you hadnt got it already) it would be 580 days before everyone is tested... and you'd have to keep testing ad infinitum because you can catch it at any time.
The only sensible answer is to eliminate NHS workers etc from the public's food chain.... perhaps have designated supermarkets or entirely home delivery... but we've opted for clapping.
All in all its rather fortunate that this virus appears so benign - particularly in children - which may possibly prevent the doomsday scenario in 3rd world countries which have so far not happened - as far as we know. |
Where is your evidence that 'NHS workers, carers etc' are currently the main source of infection? Those people are also better protected, take more precautions (being aware of the danger), plus being more closely monitored and likely to be tested than the general populace.
If that were the case, then the introduction of drive-in test centres for NHS staff should have seen a significant increase in the number of positive tests. That has not been the case. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:06 - Apr 27 with 1559 views | eireblue |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:00 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Well the point is none of us know anything but apparently full lockdown is definitely correct.
I just have an opinion based on previous rhino and corona viruses. |
“I know nothing about this virus ...”
And yet you still have plenty to say.
Man who caught cold once, pontificates on the Internet.
Edgy.
There are things the scientific community do agree on. That’s why there is a lock down. | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:10 - Apr 27 with 1549 views | NotSure |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:03 - Apr 27 by sparks |
This is a strawman argument.
Noone says that scientists are 100% in agreement or certain about things.
Saying as much does not answer the criticisms directed at you. |
Nonsense, it is not a misrepresentation of what Stoke said.
"Why do you question the research of qualified scientists?"
I am not qualified to question their research, other scientists are. And have. | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:11 - Apr 27 with 1536 views | GaryCooper |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 09:45 - Apr 27 by r2d2 |
What a selfish attitude. Its people like you who will prolong the lockdown. Stay in doors. Do as you are told. Id have the army on the streets if it was me. A rifle butt around the back of the head is all some people will understand. |
People have genuinely upvoted this? |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:13 - Apr 27 with 1527 views | sparks |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:10 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Nonsense, it is not a misrepresentation of what Stoke said.
"Why do you question the research of qualified scientists?"
I am not qualified to question their research, other scientists are. And have. |
If you cant understand a fallacy when you are metaphorically slapped around the face with it, I can do no more. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:15 - Apr 27 with 1523 views | WeWereZombies |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:09 - Apr 27 by Guthrum |
In what areas of the country are there no cases? |
I haven't looked at that BBC 'find how many cases in your area' box lately but the last time I looked even Highland had a rate not much lower than Suffolk. Cambridgeshire was not much higher but Hertfordshire was about three times the rate and not much different than London. There are rumours of a case on the Isle of Skye but the stats do not let you drill down far enough to confirm that (which might be just as well as it can be mighty difficult to keep a secret up here). So it appears the elephant is gaslighting, who would have thought it of such a creature? But it might do it some good to remember that it is not the only one with a long memory. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 13:39]
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:16 - Apr 27 with 1516 views | NotSure |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:06 - Apr 27 by eireblue |
“I know nothing about this virus ...”
And yet you still have plenty to say.
Man who caught cold once, pontificates on the Internet.
Edgy.
There are things the scientific community do agree on. That’s why there is a lock down. |
Actually there is a lockdown here because of mathematical modelling from Professor Ferguson. But he won't tell anyone the data or code he uses to produce this model.
Which I and many others find strange.
But I repeat, there is a lockdown because governments have to be seen to be doing something, not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:17 - Apr 27 with 1505 views | sparks |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:16 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Actually there is a lockdown here because of mathematical modelling from Professor Ferguson. But he won't tell anyone the data or code he uses to produce this model.
Which I and many others find strange.
But I repeat, there is a lockdown because governments have to be seen to be doing something, not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |
An extraordinary and nonsensical claim
Pride in ignorance is painful to see. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:21 - Apr 27 with 1477 views | gordon |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:16 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Actually there is a lockdown here because of mathematical modelling from Professor Ferguson. But he won't tell anyone the data or code he uses to produce this model.
Which I and many others find strange.
But I repeat, there is a lockdown because governments have to be seen to be doing something, not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |
The code and data are here.
https://github.com/ImperialCollegeLondon/covid19model |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:24 - Apr 27 with 1470 views | StokieBlue |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:16 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Actually there is a lockdown here because of mathematical modelling from Professor Ferguson. But he won't tell anyone the data or code he uses to produce this model.
Which I and many others find strange.
But I repeat, there is a lockdown because governments have to be seen to be doing something, not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |
This is once again not true.
By your logic there shouldn't be a lockdown anywhere else as Ferguson didn't provide any modelling to them. That is clearly not the case because the modelling from other countries reached the same conclusion.
You are talking nonsense to justify your selfish and dangerous decision to ignore the government rules on lockdowns and do whatever you please.
As long as you're fine then screw everyone else.
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:24 - Apr 27 with 1471 views | bluelagos |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:11 - Apr 27 by GaryCooper |
People have genuinely upvoted this? |
He isn't the first poster to suggest putting the army on the streets and I somehow doubt he will be the last.
Edit: Although he is the first to suggest they use violence to enforce the lockdown rather make use of the justice system. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 13:37]
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:28 - Apr 27 with 1456 views | footers |
Looking forward to the forensic analysis of the data and modelling method, and why everyone else is mistaken about the need for a lockdown.
Sure it'll be any time now... |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:38 - Apr 27 with 1432 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:05 - Apr 27 by Guthrum |
Where is your evidence that 'NHS workers, carers etc' are currently the main source of infection? Those people are also better protected, take more precautions (being aware of the danger), plus being more closely monitored and likely to be tested than the general populace.
If that were the case, then the introduction of drive-in test centres for NHS staff should have seen a significant increase in the number of positive tests. That has not been the case. |
Because that is what testing is showing
IF a lockdown works then it cannot be spread by locked down people after six weeks in isolation - the only people who can spread it are the people who are in contact with it.
That's everyone out and about in close proximity to people at the moment.... with NHS staff and carers at the top of the list for obvious reasons.
Having said that one of the reasons so few healthcare workers and carers have died from what is supposed to be sodeadly and infectious is that they too are getting it at the supermarket.
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:47 - Apr 27 with 1415 views | PhilTWTD |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:52 - Apr 27 by sparks |
You surprise me about the Budgie thing- he is never denied it despite being accused by a number of others. And has consistently posted the most obviously trollish things about ITFC, Evans etc.
But fair enough. |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/blogs/21822/wing-wonders-(part-two)/#0 | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:49 - Apr 27 with 1413 views | sparks |
I wasnt questioning what you suggested. It was just a surprise to me. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 13:58]
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:52 - Apr 27 with 1393 views | eireblue |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:16 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Actually there is a lockdown here because of mathematical modelling from Professor Ferguson. But he won't tell anyone the data or code he uses to produce this model.
Which I and many others find strange.
But I repeat, there is a lockdown because governments have to be seen to be doing something, not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |
Breaking News.
A Self-confessed ignoramus on Covid, revealed even more ignorance on the topic, whilst offering inane views. | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:52 - Apr 27 with 1392 views | Churchman |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 09:28 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
You talk of ten of thousands of deaths.
I know this is unpleasant to say but the vast majority of these people who died were economically inactive. Every death is a tragedy but this disease is currently not killing many young people.
My household doesn't care about this lockdown anymore and just like my neighbours on either side we are going out when we want and accepting visitors. |
You disgust me. |  | | |
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