| This pressure to end the lockdown 08:50 - Apr 27 with 10921 views | Steve_M |
Is it coming from anywhere other than the same right-wing columnists and media pundits who didn't want it in the first place? Opinion polls at the end of last week remained broadly supportive and suggests much of the public isn't expecting an imminent change.
Yes, it is undoubtedly doing economic damage to the country but then tens of thousands of deaths do that too. It's too early and the UK lacks the testing and contact tracing facilities, as yet, to ease it significantly.
I'm not convinced by long-lens pictures which compress people into seemingly larger groups on tabloid front pages. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:53 - Apr 27 with 868 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Ooh, Python, lovely! |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:57 - Apr 27 with 845 views | gordon |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:53 - Apr 27 by Ewan_Oozami |
Ooh, Python, lovely! |
It's in R.
(I think one of the early models runs in Python as well) [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 13:59]
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:06 - Apr 27 with 836 views | Radlett_blue |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:38 - Apr 27 by Steve_M |
Have you compared Sweden to, say, Norway, which did lock down? The comparison is rather stark. |
Norway has around half the population of Sweden in a country of similar size, so not exactly a like for like comparison. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:10 - Apr 27 with 834 views | PhilTWTD |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:49 - Apr 27 by sparks |
I wasnt questioning what you suggested. It was just a surprise to me. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 13:58]
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Didn't think you were, was just providing an example. |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:21 - Apr 27 with 821 views | Guthrum |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:38 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Because that is what testing is showing
IF a lockdown works then it cannot be spread by locked down people after six weeks in isolation - the only people who can spread it are the people who are in contact with it.
That's everyone out and about in close proximity to people at the moment.... with NHS staff and carers at the top of the list for obvious reasons.
Having said that one of the reasons so few healthcare workers and carers have died from what is supposed to be sodeadly and infectious is that they too are getting it at the supermarket.
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It isn't showing that. The positive test numbers did not take an upward trend when they started testing NHS staff as well as those hospitalised with suspect symptoms.
I would agree with your point about the lockdown not being tight enough to be truly effective in starving the disease of new victims. There are simply too many people involved in keeping things running, e.g. postal and distribution workers, shop staff (who would still be involved in food distribution even if closed to the public), as well as NHS and care people. That is only practical if, like China and South Korea, you are in a position to lock down one hotspot region totally, leaving the rest of the country able to support them. In the UK, the disease is too evenly distributed for that. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:26 - Apr 27 with 809 views | SpruceMoose |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:05 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
No it is coming from pepole who have had their lives and businesses destroyed.
It is coming from people who live in areas where there are no cases.... most of the country outside major conurbations.
It is coming from people who are somewhat envious that NHS herores can come from a virus-rich working environment into supermarkets... but people cant enjoy that same privelage of being able to work in a work environment where where are no viruses.
It is coming from people who have said all along that a partial lockdown in an island is utterly insane.
It is coming from people fed up with seeing people out jogging and cycling puffing their viruses (if they had them) over other people and into the air they breathe.
Basically its coming from almost everyone who doesnt read the guardian or have a cushy job they can pretend to do from home. |
Arf! Imagine actually thinking this way! |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:28 - Apr 27 with 802 views | SpruceMoose |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:26 - Apr 27 by sparks |
Why is this budgie troll continuing to be allowed to post disinformation and ill conceived innuendo on here? |
This. He's been at it for far too long. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:44 - Apr 27 with 779 views | Guthrum |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 12:54 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Because the scientists are not agreeing about this.
Stop pretending it's 100% of the qualified scientific profession agreeing with full lockdown.
Absolute nonsense.
This virus isn't going to go away because we hide from it. Do you think the common cold or flu are also going to disappear?
Governments around the world are doing this because they have to be seen to be doing something. Not necessarily because it is the right thing to do. |
How many scientists are saying that social distancing (of which lockdown is only a universal, enforced version because people weren't doing it by themselves) is not necessary in dealing with Covid-19? Even Anders Tegnell, the man leading Sweden's unique approach to the disease has stressed its importance.
Nobody in the scientific community is saying it's safe to start associating again before infection numbers start to come down (and even then, they fear a second outbreak).
Hiding from viruses - or rather from each other during outbreaks - is precisely how we can make them disappear. The numbers of available new victims are reduced until, potentially, the disease dies off. Conversely, gathering together gives them a target-rich environment and increases the amount of exposure, which evidence has shown not only heightens the chances of catching it, but also the severity once you do.
And yes, I would expect there to be many fewer cases of the common cold and 'flu than usual this year. They, too, are going to have fewer people about to infect. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 14:53 - Apr 27 with 755 views | BlueBadger |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:09 - Apr 27 by Guthrum |
In what areas of the country are there no cases? |
The bit in his head? |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 15:01 - Apr 27 with 742 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 09:28 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
You talk of ten of thousands of deaths.
I know this is unpleasant to say but the vast majority of these people who died were economically inactive. Every death is a tragedy but this disease is currently not killing many young people.
My household doesn't care about this lockdown anymore and just like my neighbours on either side we are going out when we want and accepting visitors. |
Haven't read the whole thread so somebody may have done this already...but here are some more economically inactive people....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/nhs-warns-of-rise-in-children-with
.... oh and there are still plenty of veg picking workers required if you are interested. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 15:12 - Apr 27 with 726 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 10:11 - Apr 27 by gordon |
I'm just genuinely surprised that you've changed your position so much now. It's been apparent for a long time that we are heading for the worst possible outcome with high deaths and a really long lockdown, I had been trying my best (though very unsuccessfully!) to get that across to you in threads two or three weeks ago. |
I got to the point of thinking that maybe they weren't prepared to start an early lockdown because success would leave people wondering what all the fuss was about! | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 15:19 - Apr 27 with 718 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:23 - Apr 27 by sparks |
I just had a go at an old boy in the coop.
Its a small shop- 4 people are allowed in at a time. There are 4 narrow aisles. With some care and consideration, it is easy to wait for people to clear the place you want to be before moving on, or tto take the long way round to the other end of the aisle.
I stood waiting for an elderly gentleman to select stuff at the top of the aisle. He took ages- but I waited patiently. He ambled off, and another one appeared from that end of the aisle. I continued to wait- patiently and politely. He got what he was after and then started walking right towards me, clearly intending to go past me.
I stepped awy around the end of the aisle, with raised eyebrows. He, quite amiably (seemingly with no clue as to what the issue was), said "Ho ho- you look like you were staring into space. Miles away!"
I replied, tersely, "No- I was just surprised that you were walking right towards me. You are supposed to stay 2 metres away mate. Too many people are acting like they dont care."
I think that was measured and reasonable- though the whole shop certainly heard me.... Still annoyed now. Every time I go there, there is at least one idiot. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 11:26]
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Did you get a few bottles of wine? | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 17:14 - Apr 27 with 671 views | BlueBadger |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 09:28 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
You talk of ten of thousands of deaths.
I know this is unpleasant to say but the vast majority of these people who died were economically inactive. Every death is a tragedy but this disease is currently not killing many young people.
My household doesn't care about this lockdown anymore and just like my neighbours on either side we are going out when we want and accepting visitors. |
With all due respect, your household is full of c*nts. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:05 - Apr 27 with 628 views | Leaky |
Seems to me its coming from our disgusting media. They really have been poor all through this, only high lighting doom & gloom. A lady in Papworth Hospital over came covid-19 & had a heart valve replaced its good news so not reported. I do realise this could a confidentially issue however |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:10 - Apr 27 with 623 views | DanTheMan |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:05 - Apr 27 by Leaky |
Seems to me its coming from our disgusting media. They really have been poor all through this, only high lighting doom & gloom. A lady in Papworth Hospital over came covid-19 & had a heart valve replaced its good news so not reported. I do realise this could a confidentially issue however |
There's something amusing about you moaning about the media whilst talking about a story of a lady who recovered... who I assume you only know about because of the media reporting on it. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:11 - Apr 27 with 613 views | Tonytown |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 11:45 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
No, not ashamed at all.
And the couple of research links posted from Guthrum about aerosols are mainly to do with inside and in any case are theoretical. Apparently we still don't know for sure if this virus is airborne.
And maybe the virus does linger on objects, so wash your hands regularly.
So to say it is "simply not true" is wrong.
And people came come round and sat in the garden, perfectly safe.
But people don't come round very often so no big deal.
What makes you the expert here. Why won't you question the advice given, why won't you think for yourself?
Summer is coming, enjoy whilst respecting other peoples space, it may be your last if this virus mutates into something bad. |
It will be lots of peoples last because of arrogant pr!cks like you who will keep spreading it.
Are you really this dim??????? |  | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:16 - Apr 27 with 602 views | Leaky |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:10 - Apr 27 by DanTheMan |
There's something amusing about you moaning about the media whilst talking about a story of a lady who recovered... who I assume you only know about because of the media reporting on it. |
No its a bit more personal than that. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 19:18]
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:29 - Apr 27 with 580 views | DanTheMan |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:16 - Apr 27 by Leaky |
No its a bit more personal than that. [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 19:18]
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But I googled it and it showed up. So it has been reported. | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:50 - Apr 27 with 544 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 13:57 - Apr 27 by gordon |
It's in R.
(I think one of the early models runs in Python as well) [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 13:59]
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R would be better once the datasets get larger for statistical analysis, there are more libraries for R - maybe did the POC in Python and converted to R? | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:59 - Apr 27 with 531 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:50 - Apr 27 by Ewan_Oozami |
R would be better once the datasets get larger for statistical analysis, there are more libraries for R - maybe did the POC in Python and converted to R? |
Get a room !! | |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:03 - Apr 27 with 524 views | Leaky |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 19:29 - Apr 27 by DanTheMan |
But I googled it and it showed up. So it has been reported. |
Probably on face book. Reveal your source. | | | |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:07 - Apr 27 with 522 views | DanTheMan |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:03 - Apr 27 by Leaky |
Probably on face book. Reveal your source. |
The BBC
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:17 - Apr 27 with 498 views | jeera |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 10:28 - Apr 27 by NotSure |
Can you point out this research please.
I'm not doubting you for one second, I'd just like to educate myself. |
I spoke to an 18 year old today and was really impressed with her attitude.
I said haven't you been tempted to sneak out and catch up with your mates?
What about your boyfriend? (They're been together for 18 months and are still besotted).
She said with a resounding no, that if everyone behaved then things would return to normal much sooner.
I reckon she's got a point and is more grown up about this than many more experienced adults. |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:19 - Apr 27 with 489 views | footers |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:17 - Apr 27 by jeera |
I spoke to an 18 year old today and was really impressed with her attitude.
I said haven't you been tempted to sneak out and catch up with your mates?
What about your boyfriend? (They're been together for 18 months and are still besotted).
She said with a resounding no, that if everyone behaved then things would return to normal much sooner.
I reckon she's got a point and is more grown up about this than many more experienced adults. |
And that call at £3.95 a minute cost how much? |  |
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| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:25 - Apr 27 with 483 views | Leaky |
| This pressure to end the lockdown on 20:07 - Apr 27 by DanTheMan |
The BBC
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You mean they actually broadcasted it on tv. Well I watched it & never saw it mentioned on either the six o'clock news or look Norwich | | | |
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