| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama 19:47 - Apr 27 with 3997 views | bournemouthblue |
It really isn't good watching
I know Panorama can be a bit more left leaning than the usual BBC News output but they are asking the hard questions who the Tory Government will not want the media to be asking |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 23:40 - Apr 27 with 1780 views | flimflam |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 22:15 - Apr 27 by xrayspecs |
Off topic:
Are you seeing a flattening of the curve in terms of cases where you work? Understand that London appears to be seeing the biggest slowdown and regional figures appear to be little changed and guessing you are outside of London?
From your experience is the situation much different to a few weeks ago and are you seeing any trends? |
Standing room only in the nightingale. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 23:45 - Apr 27 with 1776 views | BlueBadger |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 23:40 - Apr 27 by flimflam |
Standing room only in the nightingale. |
Ah, it's your turn in the barrel today is it? [Post edited 27 Apr 2020 23:46]
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 02:30 - Apr 28 with 1733 views | catch74 |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 21:23 - Apr 27 by Leaky |
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They could start by investigating how this pandemic started? However they will not |
Why bother, bleach is the answer. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 08:05 - Apr 28 with 1652 views | artsbossbeard |
Govt response be like:
We weren't prepared for THAT SORT of future unknown virus, we were instead ready for one that didn't need protective equipment for front line medical staff. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 08:22 - Apr 28 with 1624 views | Swansea_Blue |
Thanks. I watched it. Found it a little bit drawn out and repetitive (as all programmes are these days, I’ve no idea why they assume you didn’t hear a point the first two times they tell you). But that’s an aside.
Damning indeed though. Pretty poor show if lack of preparedness with PPE was one of the main reasons the virus was reclassified. Especially after they were warned last year and did nothing. No surprise though; it’s consistent with their fudging the numbers approach on this and other things. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 09:06 - Apr 28 with 1590 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I don't recall being prepared for a global pandemic being on the government's election manifesto.... and to be fair to the right wing cabal currently charged with running the country, free broadband and a working national train set were getting more air time from the trots than health
This government was elected by the British people to get the oven ready Brexit deal done... that is all they were focusing on in January.... and if you listen to Michael Gove today it is still something of a priority. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 10:24 - Apr 28 with 1559 views | flimflam |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 08:22 - Apr 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Thanks. I watched it. Found it a little bit drawn out and repetitive (as all programmes are these days, I’ve no idea why they assume you didn’t hear a point the first two times they tell you). But that’s an aside.
Damning indeed though. Pretty poor show if lack of preparedness with PPE was one of the main reasons the virus was reclassified. Especially after they were warned last year and did nothing. No surprise though; it’s consistent with their fudging the numbers approach on this and other things. |
I am no medical expert but my understanding was it was downgraded from HCID because its mortality / infection rate was not in the same ball park as the ebolas etc of the world.
HCID would obviously need more extreme measures of isolation and protection for anyone treating anyone infected.
Plus it appears there are a very limited number of Hospitals that have the facilities to treat HCID, 2 for HCID and another 4 for airborne HCID. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 10:29]
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 10:52 - Apr 28 with 1542 views | monytowbray |
Weird, this thread is quiet. Seems the Tory TWTD propaganda arm are avoiding it like the (pun intended) plague.
God forbid they ever take some responsibility for what they voted for. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 10:53 - Apr 28 with 1537 views | monytowbray |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 10:24 - Apr 28 by flimflam |
I am no medical expert but my understanding was it was downgraded from HCID because its mortality / infection rate was not in the same ball park as the ebolas etc of the world.
HCID would obviously need more extreme measures of isolation and protection for anyone treating anyone infected.
Plus it appears there are a very limited number of Hospitals that have the facilities to treat HCID, 2 for HCID and another 4 for airborne HCID. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 10:29]
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Have you watched the program? Because if you had you probably would have a different understanding. | |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 11:09 - Apr 28 with 1525 views | NewcyBlue |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 10:24 - Apr 28 by flimflam |
I am no medical expert but my understanding was it was downgraded from HCID because its mortality / infection rate was not in the same ball park as the ebolas etc of the world.
HCID would obviously need more extreme measures of isolation and protection for anyone treating anyone infected.
Plus it appears there are a very limited number of Hospitals that have the facilities to treat HCID, 2 for HCID and another 4 for airborne HCID. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 10:29]
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MrsN works at a hospital and they sent out PPE updated requirements.
It’s piss poor that they don’t have the PPE they need. I also understand why the PPE isn’t currently available. Our over reliance on cheap goods from the Far East has been a massive issue. It’s scary how brexity that sounds. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 11:20 - Apr 28 with 1512 views | monytowbray |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 11:09 - Apr 28 by NewcyBlue |
MrsN works at a hospital and they sent out PPE updated requirements.
It’s piss poor that they don’t have the PPE they need. I also understand why the PPE isn’t currently available. Our over reliance on cheap goods from the Far East has been a massive issue. It’s scary how brexity that sounds. |
We’ve unleashed Britain’s potential though. | |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:27 - Apr 28 with 1472 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 10:52 - Apr 28 by monytowbray |
Weird, this thread is quiet. Seems the Tory TWTD propaganda arm are avoiding it like the (pun intended) plague.
God forbid they ever take some responsibility for what they voted for. |
Not sure if you are including me in your post as I didn't vote Tory.
I haven't seen the program but I will watch it tomorrow night with a balanced view.
I haven't seen todays posts on here until now as ironically I have been on the phone with Public Health England all morning regarding PPE |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:30 - Apr 28 with 1465 views | itfcjoe |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:27 - Apr 28 by Lord_Lucan |
Not sure if you are including me in your post as I didn't vote Tory.
I haven't seen the program but I will watch it tomorrow night with a balanced view.
I haven't seen todays posts on here until now as ironically I have been on the phone with Public Health England all morning regarding PPE |
I'm getting e-mails from all sorts of suppliers trying to sell stuff at a rip off rate. Companies that have previously supplied us flooring etc in on the act.
I know it's business, but leaves a bad taste |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:35 - Apr 28 with 1447 views | TractorWood |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 08:05 - Apr 28 by artsbossbeard |
Govt response be like:
We weren't prepared for THAT SORT of future unknown virus, we were instead ready for one that didn't need protective equipment for front line medical staff. |
Agree. Say it's been misinterpreted, quote Churchill, get Boris to smile and flop his hair and we are back to normal.
Worst case scenario is say it needs an independent investigation that takes 3 years and blames everyone collectively and no one specifically. |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:36 - Apr 28 with 1446 views | Sacrebleu |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 21:20 - Apr 27 by factual_blue |
1 glove = 1 piece of PPE.
matt hancock has a PPE degree. Oxford should strip him of it. |
It's not a winter mitten. That type of glove comes in packs of 10 items or more. They don't come in pairs. |  | | |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:47 - Apr 28 with 1427 views | Ace_High1 |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:30 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I'm getting e-mails from all sorts of suppliers trying to sell stuff at a rip off rate. Companies that have previously supplied us flooring etc in on the act.
I know it's business, but leaves a bad taste |
Yes noticed the same, how many suppliers are suddenly offering PPE - face masks, hand gel etc? |  | | |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:54 - Apr 28 with 1407 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:30 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I'm getting e-mails from all sorts of suppliers trying to sell stuff at a rip off rate. Companies that have previously supplied us flooring etc in on the act.
I know it's business, but leaves a bad taste |
PHE are asking us for one million FFP2 masks on a regular supply.
Half the reason why they are bogged down is because they are receiving thousands of emails a day from chancers trying to sell them a load of cr4p because they have found a shed selling dodgy gear on Ali Baba.
I am no expert but I know a bit about what is going on and most of what you see, read and hear is absolute b0llocks
Unfortunately people want to hear what they want to hear and by and large media sources tend to write and say what their audience wants to hear, this is why when looking at a newspaper stand and glancing at the headlines you will see that we are anything ranging from an impending cure to impending mass death. | |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:56 - Apr 28 with 1401 views | itfcjoe |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:47 - Apr 28 by Ace_High1 |
Yes noticed the same, how many suppliers are suddenly offering PPE - face masks, hand gel etc? |
At 3-4x the price you'd expect to pay for it normally......
Guess construction industry needs them for their sites, but we aren't back yet and can't see when we will be - need to build some work up before we can think about it as very unlikely our core work is going to pick up any time soon | |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:58 - Apr 28 with 1397 views | Ace_High1 |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:56 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
At 3-4x the price you'd expect to pay for it normally......
Guess construction industry needs them for their sites, but we aren't back yet and can't see when we will be - need to build some work up before we can think about it as very unlikely our core work is going to pick up any time soon |
We are now starting to pick up again, discussions with clients about control measures and what can be done.
Still got some staff on furlough but looking at them coming back in over next two weeks.
It does feel like people want to try and get some projects back underway, even on reduced capacity. | | | |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:59 - Apr 28 with 1396 views | itfcjoe |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:54 - Apr 28 by Lord_Lucan |
PHE are asking us for one million FFP2 masks on a regular supply.
Half the reason why they are bogged down is because they are receiving thousands of emails a day from chancers trying to sell them a load of cr4p because they have found a shed selling dodgy gear on Ali Baba.
I am no expert but I know a bit about what is going on and most of what you see, read and hear is absolute b0llocks
Unfortunately people want to hear what they want to hear and by and large media sources tend to write and say what their audience wants to hear, this is why when looking at a newspaper stand and glancing at the headlines you will see that we are anything ranging from an impending cure to impending mass death. |
I read somewhere that they will hopefully be able to get all C-19 cases to Nightingale hospitals to free up the general ones - which will surely help with PPE levels as won't need to be so much used.
Sounds like the Govt regret taking procurement into Whitehall rather than leaving it with the NHS a few weeks back | |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 13:03 - Apr 28 with 1384 views | itfcjoe |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:58 - Apr 28 by Ace_High1 |
We are now starting to pick up again, discussions with clients about control measures and what can be done.
Still got some staff on furlough but looking at them coming back in over next two weeks.
It does feel like people want to try and get some projects back underway, even on reduced capacity. |
Problem is we are in the hospitality sector - so no one knows when coming back so they won't want to spend money at this moment. And residential/domestic - so people don't want you in their house.
Have got jobs lined up - one of them's daughter is pregnant and they were going to move in with them for a bit which now can't happen; another one is for a frontline NHS Dr and they were going to move in with her partner's parents (60+) which now can't happen; another one has 5 kids at home so can't work round there; and it's like that everywhere we turn.
Furlough scheme been a godsend, but just for me it's going to start to crank up financial pressure imminently so we'll just see how it goes from here | |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 13:05 - Apr 28 with 1371 views | giant_stow |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:54 - Apr 28 by Lord_Lucan |
PHE are asking us for one million FFP2 masks on a regular supply.
Half the reason why they are bogged down is because they are receiving thousands of emails a day from chancers trying to sell them a load of cr4p because they have found a shed selling dodgy gear on Ali Baba.
I am no expert but I know a bit about what is going on and most of what you see, read and hear is absolute b0llocks
Unfortunately people want to hear what they want to hear and by and large media sources tend to write and say what their audience wants to hear, this is why when looking at a newspaper stand and glancing at the headlines you will see that we are anything ranging from an impending cure to impending mass death. |
any chance of sharing some of your knowledge mr? Sounds like you have good contacts re importing - whats everyone missing? |  |
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| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 13:08 - Apr 28 with 1364 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Pretty damning assessment of the Government on Panorama on 12:59 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I read somewhere that they will hopefully be able to get all C-19 cases to Nightingale hospitals to free up the general ones - which will surely help with PPE levels as won't need to be so much used.
Sounds like the Govt regret taking procurement into Whitehall rather than leaving it with the NHS a few weeks back |
You could have Jesus H Christ on it and it would still be impossible | |
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