| Ah, it's started... on 10:56 - May 13 with 757 views | homer_123 |
| Ah, it's started... on 09:22 - May 13 by Guthrum |
Tho it's arguable how much money scrapping HS2 would save at this stage. Especially if you take into consideration the jobs created by the construction work. |
Ah - I see you've acknowledged it.
Two considerations here.
1. Jobs (large scale construction is no bad way to keep people employed by Govs during times of crisis).
2. The actual cost the Gov will need to pay out to scrap it will be huge.
I'm not saying I'm for HS2 but the amount already invested is significant.....though the real benefit of HS2 doesn't come with the link to London but the cross country links it provides in the North and that is rather keenly needed. In all likelihood, the Gov will pay for the London link and then scrap it - thus spending a wedge on the less critical part!!! [Post edited 13 May 2020 11:47]
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:04 - May 13 with 736 views | Vaughan8 |
Yeah because the wage freeze has all been confirm and finalised. Thanks for confirming this.
Lets criticise things before its happened........ Some people on here have an agender I get it but lets wait and see shall we. I don't think he public would be happy with that and I can't see them being that silly, but we shall see. |  | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:05 - May 13 with 733 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ah, it's started... on 10:43 - May 13 by Libero |
Apologies for characterising you in a manor you don't agree with, was purely my own assessment.
Appreciate your response none the less, I was looking to use you as a barometer of sorts. There's no doubt I had an emotional reaction this morning to the leak and may have gone a bit over the top in retrospect, I'm happy to concede that as what is suggested as an option in the leaks directly effects me and several my extended family.
What I'm fairly strong on though is that under no circumstances should it even be considered as an option, but I guess that's driven by the values and rhetoric I hold so meh. Just surprised so many people believe it should be explored. |
It really is a shame that this ever reached the public domain. It is difficult to work out why newspapers have run with this at this time
You have to prepare for every eventuality if you don’t wan to get caught out. You only have to look at the mess the government made with COVID-19 to understand this.
We are going to need to boost the economy once this is over and wage freezes will not be the answer. Cutting major projects like HS2 and Heathrow make sense but to balance that it is important that Joe Public doesn’t do the same otherwise we will be in a situation where wage freezes might be necessary.
There are going to plenty of jobs lost in the next 12 months, times are going to be difficult for most of us. |  |
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:07 - May 13 with 724 views | Libero |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:04 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
Yeah because the wage freeze has all been confirm and finalised. Thanks for confirming this.
Lets criticise things before its happened........ Some people on here have an agender I get it but lets wait and see shall we. I don't think he public would be happy with that and I can't see them being that silly, but we shall see. |
You've clearly not read the whole thread. |  | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:09 - May 13 with 714 views | Guthrum |
| Ah, it's started... on 10:00 - May 13 by lowhouseblue |
good case for treating this as a one off freak event and monetising most of it. we live in strange times and letting this lead to more austerity would be an error. it is truly exceptional and even the risk of future inflation would be better than austerity in the face of recession. i'm pretty conservative in fiscal terms but now is a time to get imaginative with printing money. [Post edited 13 May 2020 10:01]
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That was actually the approach I was more expecting. Inflation also reduces the relative value of debts when they're in your own currency.
Was discussing this with a friend the other day and he pointed out that deflation during the crisis (e.g. falling fuel prices, contraction in sales) will offset some of the inflation afterwards, anyway. |  |
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:14 - May 13 with 699 views | StokieBlue |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:09 - May 13 by Guthrum |
That was actually the approach I was more expecting. Inflation also reduces the relative value of debts when they're in your own currency.
Was discussing this with a friend the other day and he pointed out that deflation during the crisis (e.g. falling fuel prices, contraction in sales) will offset some of the inflation afterwards, anyway. |
You're right that it decreases the value of the debt in your own currency but it's also likely to push up the borrowing rate when you come to roll that debt as nobody wants the loan they gave you to be worth less when they get it paid back.
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:15 - May 13 with 696 views | Vaughan8 |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:07 - May 13 by Libero |
You've clearly not read the whole thread. |
Right? You've posted "Wage freeze for public sector workers including front line workers..." You've clearly not read the article you've posted? haha
Don't put a daily mail headline then if you don't want responses.
Anyway, glad you've confirmed it. You've just made yourself look like someone who will jump on anything. [Post edited 13 May 2020 11:18]
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:17 - May 13 with 686 views | Guthrum |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:14 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
You're right that it decreases the value of the debt in your own currency but it's also likely to push up the borrowing rate when you come to roll that debt as nobody wants the loan they gave you to be worth less when they get it paid back.
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Given borrowing rates are currently so low and the UK is probably at the more favourable end of the global spread, there's probably some leeway there before things get ridiculous. | |
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:20 - May 13 with 677 views | Libero |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:15 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
Right? You've posted "Wage freeze for public sector workers including front line workers..." You've clearly not read the article you've posted? haha
Don't put a daily mail headline then if you don't want responses.
Anyway, glad you've confirmed it. You've just made yourself look like someone who will jump on anything. [Post edited 13 May 2020 11:18]
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Don't be such a berk.
I had an emotional reaction to something that would significantly effect myself and my extended family who have all been asked by work at one point or another in the last 2 months to put ourselves in positions of danger to ensure that other people can remain safe.
I then assessed the situation and am reasonable enough to acknowledge my bias and understand my over reaction.
It's been a testing few days personally for a variety of reasons, all of which are entangled in this topic, excuse my human reaction and excuse you for making such a rude assertion without even bothering to read the whole thread. | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:23 - May 13 with 667 views | footers |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:04 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
Yeah because the wage freeze has all been confirm and finalised. Thanks for confirming this.
Lets criticise things before its happened........ Some people on here have an agender I get it but lets wait and see shall we. I don't think he public would be happy with that and I can't see them being that silly, but we shall see. |
So people can't point out that things are bad ideas before they've happened, only after - is that right? |  |
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:24 - May 13 with 661 views | Vaughan8 |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:23 - May 13 by footers |
So people can't point out that things are bad ideas before they've happened, only after - is that right? |
He's put "Wage freeze for public sector workers including front line workers..."
It makes out like its fact........which it isn't. That's my point. I didn't say it was a good or bad idea? | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:27 - May 13 with 653 views | Vaughan8 |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:20 - May 13 by Libero |
Don't be such a berk.
I had an emotional reaction to something that would significantly effect myself and my extended family who have all been asked by work at one point or another in the last 2 months to put ourselves in positions of danger to ensure that other people can remain safe.
I then assessed the situation and am reasonable enough to acknowledge my bias and understand my over reaction.
It's been a testing few days personally for a variety of reasons, all of which are entangled in this topic, excuse my human reaction and excuse you for making such a rude assertion without even bothering to read the whole thread. |
You don't know other peoples situations either. I have family who work for the NHS. What's that got to do with posting on a forum. You've realised people don't agree with what you've put. That's fine as wel?
I'm sorry, you're trying to make me feel bad. I've reacted to what you've put so surely it's the same thing?
Whatever your going through i'm sorry you are and that is fine but I don't know as you don't know to me.
I'm just going to leave it here because you're clearly a bit sensitive over the issue which is fine. | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:28 - May 13 with 642 views | Herbivore |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:24 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
He's put "Wage freeze for public sector workers including front line workers..."
It makes out like its fact........which it isn't. That's my point. I didn't say it was a good or bad idea? |
He's explained that he had a strong reaction to the idea even being considered. What are you struggling with here, bae? |  |
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| How many Creme Eggs can you shove up your bum? (n/t) on 11:30 - May 13 with 634 views | Bloots |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:27 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
You don't know other peoples situations either. I have family who work for the NHS. What's that got to do with posting on a forum. You've realised people don't agree with what you've put. That's fine as wel?
I'm sorry, you're trying to make me feel bad. I've reacted to what you've put so surely it's the same thing?
Whatever your going through i'm sorry you are and that is fine but I don't know as you don't know to me.
I'm just going to leave it here because you're clearly a bit sensitive over the issue which is fine. |
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:33 - May 13 with 628 views | Dubtractor |
Its fine, the public sector has managed from 2011 to 2019 with a pay freeze. What's a few more years between friends.
I appreciate that this was always likely to happen, but its still a huge kick in the teeth for those on the frontline and anyone on lower wages in particular.
edit: I should add the caveat of if this is indeed what happens. [Post edited 13 May 2020 11:35]
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| Ah, it's started... on 11:34 - May 13 with 623 views | Libero |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:27 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
You don't know other peoples situations either. I have family who work for the NHS. What's that got to do with posting on a forum. You've realised people don't agree with what you've put. That's fine as wel?
I'm sorry, you're trying to make me feel bad. I've reacted to what you've put so surely it's the same thing?
Whatever your going through i'm sorry you are and that is fine but I don't know as you don't know to me.
I'm just going to leave it here because you're clearly a bit sensitive over the issue which is fine. |
I'm not claiming to know anyone else's situation, I'm merely pointing out what influenced the initial reporting by myself. | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:36 - May 13 with 616 views | Libero |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:24 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
He's put "Wage freeze for public sector workers including front line workers..."
It makes out like its fact........which it isn't. That's my point. I didn't say it was a good or bad idea? |
I hope the irony of your post here against your assertion that "You've made yourself look like someone who will jump on anything" isn't lost on most people. | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 12:08 - May 13 with 586 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:04 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
Yeah because the wage freeze has all been confirm and finalised. Thanks for confirming this.
Lets criticise things before its happened........ Some people on here have an agender I get it but lets wait and see shall we. I don't think he public would be happy with that and I can't see them being that silly, but we shall see. |
I dint think it’s fair to say Libby has an agenda. He’s self admitdkt left leaning but is usually fair and balanced in what he posts.
He has worked in a sector that has suffered because of a long period of austerity so he therefore has genuine concerns. I’d like to think those concerns are unwarranted but they are understandable.
As Libby leans to the left, I lean to the right, although we are probably a lot closer in social issues rather than fiscal.
He and I could debate that the period of austerity that we suffered would have taken place regardless of who won the 2010 general election as Labour promised the same programme of cuts due to the global financial crisis. Those cuts wouldn’t have been delivered as fast or with the same relish, but they’d have been delivered nine the less.
As Lowhouse said earlier, this is a completely different scenario and should be treated as a one off event. And as !ibby and DK has said it’s an opportunity to think outside the box. |  |
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| Ah, it's started... on 12:19 - May 13 with 563 views | SpruceMoose |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:23 - May 13 by footers |
So people can't point out that things are bad ideas before they've happened, only after - is that right? |
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| Ah, it's started... on 12:19 - May 13 with 561 views | SpruceMoose |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:23 - May 13 by footers |
So people can't point out that things are bad ideas before they've happened, only after - is that right? |
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| Lambert out (n/t) on 12:25 - May 13 with 546 views | footers |
| Ah, it's started... on 12:19 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
Oh and...
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| Ah, it's started... on 13:10 - May 13 with 496 views | Libero |
| Ah, it's started... on 12:08 - May 13 by GlasgowBlue |
I dint think it’s fair to say Libby has an agenda. He’s self admitdkt left leaning but is usually fair and balanced in what he posts.
He has worked in a sector that has suffered because of a long period of austerity so he therefore has genuine concerns. I’d like to think those concerns are unwarranted but they are understandable.
As Libby leans to the left, I lean to the right, although we are probably a lot closer in social issues rather than fiscal.
He and I could debate that the period of austerity that we suffered would have taken place regardless of who won the 2010 general election as Labour promised the same programme of cuts due to the global financial crisis. Those cuts wouldn’t have been delivered as fast or with the same relish, but they’d have been delivered nine the less.
As Lowhouse said earlier, this is a completely different scenario and should be treated as a one off event. And as !ibby and DK has said it’s an opportunity to think outside the box. |
Oh, don't you know about my cravings for utopia? Awkward. | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 13:22 - May 13 with 475 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ah, it's started... on 11:20 - May 13 by Libero |
Don't be such a berk.
I had an emotional reaction to something that would significantly effect myself and my extended family who have all been asked by work at one point or another in the last 2 months to put ourselves in positions of danger to ensure that other people can remain safe.
I then assessed the situation and am reasonable enough to acknowledge my bias and understand my over reaction.
It's been a testing few days personally for a variety of reasons, all of which are entangled in this topic, excuse my human reaction and excuse you for making such a rude assertion without even bothering to read the whole thread. |
While agree with most of your post I object to the first sentence.
Having earlier called me a Berk I object to now being lumped in the same group as Vaughnie. | |
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| Ah, it's started... on 13:42 - May 13 with 458 views | Vaughan8 |
Wow.
I don't think I've said anything remotely personal or called names. I've just been a little sarcastic.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself. I'm not on here all the time and don't read all past threads. I didn't know about any personal situations. I apologise if I've offended you. I just didn't really like the Daily Mail headline. | | | |
| Ah, it's started... on 13:48 - May 13 with 442 views | SpruceMoose |
| Ah, it's started... on 13:42 - May 13 by Vaughan8 |
Wow.
I don't think I've said anything remotely personal or called names. I've just been a little sarcastic.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself. I'm not on here all the time and don't read all past threads. I didn't know about any personal situations. I apologise if I've offended you. I just didn't really like the Daily Mail headline. |
Not sure the Daily Mail would ever run anything critical of the Conservatives to be honest, unless they thought the Conservatives weren't being big enough d!cks to the working class I suppose. [Post edited 13 May 2020 13:48]
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