| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... 13:10 - May 13 with 5232 views | uefacup81 |
Less than an hour after PMQs and this has already been sent to Boris:
It's almost as if he had 99% of the letter already drafted, and just needed to know precisely what to quote Boris has having said. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:22 - May 13 with 629 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:19 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
I think how the previous 4 or so years was unfairly characterised by the press and Corbyn's opponents (naturally) but also by supposedly objective people means everyone's now a bit too keen to swing the other way and point out how everything's better with Starmer.
Clearly, this style is much better at PMQs and in the Commons. But we still need to see the campaigner and the principles coming through. I hope he passes that test when the time comes in which case he'll be a formidable opponent. Or he may pass that bit off to Rayner which might also work well.
Either way, I hope we rise above the level of the political game. People may be right that it's the game needs to be won but a) I think the game is what has brought people like Johnson and Farage to the fore, b) the game was used against Corbyn by his own side throughout and c) everything was thrown at him when he was talking about policies and managing to engage members and voters.
So I'm struggling to see why the game is always made the point. Seems like that's where we've been going wrong all along. |
The football is much better now though. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:25 - May 13 with 614 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:16 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
C'mon Dollers, whatever good Corbyn was capable of you can't honestly think he made Labour an effective opposition surely? |
I down arrowed you for the "local allotment committee" quip. It's just silly and unnecessary. Corbyn got slaughtered at the end, but there were lots of reasons behind that. He certainly landed blows on the government, and Boris in particular, but the press, and then the public, largely didn't want to listen.
I only hope Starmer fares better in that regard. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:26 - May 13 with 613 views | Funge |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:20 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Saying "Mrs Trellis" instead of "members of the public" deliberately belittles it. That, and calling Corbyn's politics "common-room."
Both looking to ridicule and thus childish. |
Fam you're off on some quirky flight of fancy here; as long as you're having fun I dont suppose it really matters. |  | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:29 - May 13 with 599 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:22 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
The football is much better now though. |
I wouldn't compare Starmer to Hurst or Lambert. I think he'll be pretty good. He just needs to make sure he doesn't throw the baby of progressive policies out with the bathwater. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:29 - May 13 with 600 views | footers |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:20 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Saying "Mrs Trellis" instead of "members of the public" deliberately belittles it. That, and calling Corbyn's politics "common-room."
Both looking to ridicule and thus childish. |
Starmer used the same tactic in today's PMQs. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:30 - May 13 with 596 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:16 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
This is really strange from you today. I think you are taking this far too personally.
Do you compare previous ITFC players to current ones even if you are happy with the current ones? What about work colleagues? What about meals? It's perfectly normal to compare things which are comparable and the most comparable thing is the thing that preceded the current one.
Comparing the current actions of the Labour leadership to those preceding it is perfectly valid. I think if it were any other subject or even person you'd have a totally different view.
I really don't see the need to justify what is a perfect reasonable post anymore so I will bid you a good day.
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Interesting in all that waffle that you don't actually answer my question of what does it achieve? I suspect because you know the answer is nothing.
I've not taken anything personally. I don't consider this a personal attack on me.
I don't think I've ever enjoyed a lovely meal and then said, "yeah but that one last week was horrible." | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:30 - May 13 with 596 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:25 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I down arrowed you for the "local allotment committee" quip. It's just silly and unnecessary. Corbyn got slaughtered at the end, but there were lots of reasons behind that. He certainly landed blows on the government, and Boris in particular, but the press, and then the public, largely didn't want to listen.
I only hope Starmer fares better in that regard. |
I think you're being a little too sensitive but fair enough, that's your right.
He was always fighting an uphill battle in terms of press coverage I agree, that's not a new thing, but to me, his leadership was weak. He spent far too much time trying to be all things to all people and not enough time setting out who the Labour Party were and what they were going to be standing for.
Would I rather have seen Corbyn as PM over Johnson, yes all day long. Do I think he would have been a good PM though? Probably not. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:31 - May 13 with 591 views | gordon |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:15 - May 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Very true. As others have pointed out, the bar's quite low to be an improvement over the Government. But, yes he's certainly got his work cut out to win over people who we previously more on Corbyn's side.
Surely though a Labour person of any belief/faction/sect(?) would think he's a better option that BoJo and Vote Leave. They're bound to aren't they? Even the "Tory Blair" years were a vast improvement in terms of socially oriented policies over this current Govt, even if they did load up on PFI debt, sell the gold and blow up Iraq. We've never had int worse in my lifetime in the way people are treated than over the lsat decade (possibly clubbing miners comes a close 2nd, just because it was more visual). |
Yes, this. Politics has always been about choosing the least worst option. Given that it basically comes down to selecting from 2 people to be PM, the personal values of all of us aren't going to be perfectly reflected in the choice.
I'd vote for any of the main parties leaders, including conservative ones, from the last 25 years ahead of Cummings / Johnson / Vote Leave, and would expect anyone vaguely sane to as well. [Post edited 13 May 2020 16:32]
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:32 - May 13 with 583 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:26 - May 13 by Funge |
Fam you're off on some quirky flight of fancy here; as long as you're having fun I dont suppose it really matters. |
Fam? | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:33 - May 13 with 573 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:29 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
I wouldn't compare Starmer to Hurst or Lambert. I think he'll be pretty good. He just needs to make sure he doesn't throw the baby of progressive policies out with the bathwater. |
I most definitely agree. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:34 - May 13 with 570 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:30 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
I think you're being a little too sensitive but fair enough, that's your right.
He was always fighting an uphill battle in terms of press coverage I agree, that's not a new thing, but to me, his leadership was weak. He spent far too much time trying to be all things to all people and not enough time setting out who the Labour Party were and what they were going to be standing for.
Would I rather have seen Corbyn as PM over Johnson, yes all day long. Do I think he would have been a good PM though? Probably not. |
Fair enough, you're entitled to that view. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:35 - May 13 with 562 views | gordon |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:30 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
I think you're being a little too sensitive but fair enough, that's your right.
He was always fighting an uphill battle in terms of press coverage I agree, that's not a new thing, but to me, his leadership was weak. He spent far too much time trying to be all things to all people and not enough time setting out who the Labour Party were and what they were going to be standing for.
Would I rather have seen Corbyn as PM over Johnson, yes all day long. Do I think he would have been a good PM though? Probably not. |
I'd have had Corbyn over Johnson every day of the week, but my gut feeling is that if it had happened somehow it would've ended up a disaster for Left-Wing politics, and they're better off with what's actually happened, which is that Corbyn has changed the direction of the party a bit and someone sensible took over while Johnson is in charge for Brexit and COVID, both of which will make him look like a complete idiot. | | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:35 - May 13 with 562 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:30 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Interesting in all that waffle that you don't actually answer my question of what does it achieve? I suspect because you know the answer is nothing.
I've not taken anything personally. I don't consider this a personal attack on me.
I don't think I've ever enjoyed a lovely meal and then said, "yeah but that one last week was horrible." |
The idea that Stokie has ever eaten a horrible meal is preposterous  | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:40 - May 13 with 543 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:31 - May 13 by gordon |
Yes, this. Politics has always been about choosing the least worst option. Given that it basically comes down to selecting from 2 people to be PM, the personal values of all of us aren't going to be perfectly reflected in the choice.
I'd vote for any of the main parties leaders, including conservative ones, from the last 25 years ahead of Cummings / Johnson / Vote Leave, and would expect anyone vaguely sane to as well. [Post edited 13 May 2020 16:32]
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Agreed, with the caveat that I'd respect people's decision not to vote at all if they couldn't find any common ground with any party. But I think I'd be the same; anyone would be better than the current version of the Tories (UKIP/BP aside).
Have you seen the latest stuff around the Cummingsification of politics?
(the "someone else is and ex-girlfriend of Gove's. I think the non-exec Directors are meant to be independently appointed).
Matthew Elliot and his missus are meant to be the ones behind all this pulling all the strings (and tying them together with the nutty republican ones in America). I'm not sure how much truth there is, but @BettGunther constantly posts supposed links. I haven't got the patience to go down that rabbit hole though. [Post edited 13 May 2020 16:42]
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:44 - May 13 with 532 views | giant_stow |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:32 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Fam? |
I guess mr Funge can speak for himself, but I think 'fam' was a friendly device to take the edge of calling you a silly sausage. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 17:19 - May 13 with 498 views | Radlett_blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 by DanTheMan |
On a general note from this specific example, I'd generally like to see more of this from all sides.
You shouldn't just be able to lie outright at PMQs or other times and just "get away with it", especially when the statement is so clearly wrong.
One of the things that really bugs me generally about our current system is that it's:
1) Ask a question.
2) Get an answer.
3) Repeat steps 1 and 2.
There is never a time where the person asking the question can follow up on the response. Obviously you can't have an infinite debate on every question but it leads to really silly scenarios where you basically can almost entirely ignore a legitimate question to make a funny remark and the move on. |
This was clearly an effective piece of work by Starmer and the sort of opposition the country needs - short, effective, accurate and to the point.
The trouble with PM's Question time is that for years, it has been an embarrassing piece of Punch & Judy theatre, with the PM usually coming out on top because he has the last word in the bout of juvenile name-calling. Boris isn't a particularly sharp or impressive speaker.
If this a sign of more intelligent opposition, so much the better for us all. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 19:53 - May 13 with 421 views | NewcyBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:26 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
This move proves that he is a good barrister.
We already know that.
He needs to prove that he is a good politician, and a viable leader of the opposition.
Pedantry will wear thin (although Twitter is built on pedantry), but it's a useful party trick if not over used. |
This “move” shows he’s willing to hold the government to account.
How many lies have been told, that enough of the electorate believed to vote for Brexit and the Tories.
This, to me, shows he is a man that values the promises that will come out of his mouth.
Now we have to see what sort of Labour Party evolves under him. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 19:54 - May 13 with 421 views | NewcyBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:18 - May 13 by The_Last_Baron |
People vote on policies. And Starmer's Labour is so far down the virtue signalling, pro-PC, Pro EU, Pro Globalisation rabbit hole there's no saving them.
Let's take a good look at his record as AG. |
People voted to get rid of brown people.
People voted to give the NHS an extra £350m a week, don’t tell me that’s a lie?!??!?? | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 19:57 - May 13 with 408 views | NewcyBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:35 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
The idea that Stokie has ever eaten a horrible meal is preposterous |
I wonder what’s on the menu for today?
Roasted Panda Placenta
With caramelised red onions and roasted root vegetables | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 20:39 - May 13 with 387 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 19:57 - May 13 by NewcyBlue |
I wonder what’s on the menu for today?
Roasted Panda Placenta
With caramelised red onions and roasted root vegetables |
So long as it isn't Moose... | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 20:54 - May 13 with 372 views | Meadowlark |
When will he ask about "The Russian Report?" |  | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 20:59 - May 13 with 367 views | jeera |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 20:54 - May 13 by Meadowlark |
When will he ask about "The Russian Report?" |
когда он изучает кириллицу |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 21:38 - May 13 with 343 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 19:57 - May 13 by NewcyBlue |
I wonder what’s on the menu for today?
Roasted Panda Placenta
With caramelised red onions and roasted root vegetables |
Not a bad combo, I'll see if I can source some panda placenta for tomorrow.
This evening was swordfish, nduja croquette, mango salsa, pickled radish, avocado puree and mojo verde.
Lovely English white to go with it.
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 21:40 - May 13 with 340 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 21:38 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
Not a bad combo, I'll see if I can source some panda placenta for tomorrow.
This evening was swordfish, nduja croquette, mango salsa, pickled radish, avocado puree and mojo verde.
Lovely English white to go with it.
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Waitrose are really experimenting with their microwave meal range! | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 21:45 - May 13 with 336 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 21:40 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
Waitrose are really experimenting with their microwave meal range! |
M&S ready meals are the way to go. Really upped their game.
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