| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... 13:10 - May 13 with 5230 views | uefacup81 |
Less than an hour after PMQs and this has already been sent to Boris:
It's almost as if he had 99% of the letter already drafted, and just needed to know precisely what to quote Boris has having said. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:18 - May 13 with 683 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:20 - May 13 by N2_Blue |
While Starmer has been brilliant so far it unfortunately won't make any difference to the masses. They are brainwashed into voting Tory by our predominantly biased and right-wing press. Until that changes the government in this country will be a blue one.
The last time we had a Labour government was because the redtops backed Blair.
An electorate that can vote in Boris as PM and the Tory party with their recent track record and even more so after Boris' lame and embarrassing performance as foreign secretary will not be influenced by being torn apart in PMQ's even if it shows the government to lie consistently. We already knew this! |
People vote on policies. And Starmer's Labour is so far down the virtue signalling, pro-PC, Pro EU, Pro Globalisation rabbit hole there's no saving them.
Let's take a good look at his record as AG. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:19 - May 13 with 682 views | sparks |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:18 - May 13 by The_Last_Baron |
People vote on policies. And Starmer's Labour is so far down the virtue signalling, pro-PC, Pro EU, Pro Globalisation rabbit hole there's no saving them.
Let's take a good look at his record as AG. |
Thats a bit desperate. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:19 - May 13 with 680 views | m14_blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:18 - May 13 by The_Last_Baron |
People vote on policies. And Starmer's Labour is so far down the virtue signalling, pro-PC, Pro EU, Pro Globalisation rabbit hole there's no saving them.
Let's take a good look at his record as AG. |
BINGO!
How are UKIP getting on? I know you have nothing but contempt for Boris and his ‘non-Brexit’ that you’ve said is worse than remaining. |  | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:21 - May 13 with 677 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:27 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
He's excellent.
It is highlighting how poorly the government has been held to account over the last few years though.
It's excellent to see the opposition back and functioning well, especially at this most crucial of times.
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It's not highlighting that at all. Corbyn held Boris to account on several occasions and to suggest otherwise is re-writing history.
I also have no idea why the past regime needs to be brought up in any case. Starmer is doing a great job. The old regime has gone so why keep banging on about it? |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:21 - May 13 with 678 views | blueislander |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:18 - May 13 by The_Last_Baron |
People vote on policies. And Starmer's Labour is so far down the virtue signalling, pro-PC, Pro EU, Pro Globalisation rabbit hole there's no saving them.
Let's take a good look at his record as AG. |
Only 40% of people in the UK read newspapers apparently, so that casts some doubts of the power of the press. | | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:25 - May 13 with 663 views | BrixtonBlue |
Brilliant. It's like a letter-based 'mic drop' and walking away.
The real skill, though, will be getting the press on his side. If this sort of stuff isn't made aware to everyone then little will change. Unfortunately the majority of the British press was actively against Corbyn, and no matter how well you hold the PM to account, it won't be reported in a big enough way if things don't change. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:25 - May 13 with 659 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:21 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
It's not highlighting that at all. Corbyn held Boris to account on several occasions and to suggest otherwise is re-writing history.
I also have no idea why the past regime needs to be brought up in any case. Starmer is doing a great job. The old regime has gone so why keep banging on about it? |
I disagree and I think you'll find yourself in the minority with that view. If anything I'd say it's yourself who is rewriting history. Several occasions over two election campaigns and untold PMQs? That's excellent.
You don't have to complain every time someone makes a comparison to the old regime. You have accused people of banging on about it numerous times in different threads recently but it is perfectly relevant and valid. The old regime contributed to the mess we are in now because the Tories really weren't held to account.
You can refuse to accept that if you like but you shouldn't tell people to "stop banging on about it", especially when they have mentioned it once.
Nobody is criticising you for supporting JC.
SB [Post edited 13 May 2020 15:26]
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:29 - May 13 with 633 views | lowhouseblue |
he's very good and very clever. he oozes ability whereas the last guy oozed ooze.
but do not underestimate how difficult a hand he has to play. in the short-term, in a national emergency, you mustn't be caught playing politics. even clever stuff can back fire. in the long-term turning the mess he has inherited around in 5 years would be an achievement without precedent. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:34 - May 13 with 616 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:25 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I disagree and I think you'll find yourself in the minority with that view. If anything I'd say it's yourself who is rewriting history. Several occasions over two election campaigns and untold PMQs? That's excellent.
You don't have to complain every time someone makes a comparison to the old regime. You have accused people of banging on about it numerous times in different threads recently but it is perfectly relevant and valid. The old regime contributed to the mess we are in now because the Tories really weren't held to account.
You can refuse to accept that if you like but you shouldn't tell people to "stop banging on about it", especially when they have mentioned it once.
Nobody is criticising you for supporting JC.
SB [Post edited 13 May 2020 15:26]
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No, it's pointless banging on about what Corbyn should have done, just as it was pointless people banging on about our ex managers long after they've left.
The problem with your statement that, "The old regime contributed to the mess we are in now because the Tories really weren't held to account" ignores the fact that the old regime had almost the entirety of the British press against them. They were more interested in calling Corbyn a commie than bothering making much of when he did hold the government to account.
But I suspect we're going to have to agree to disagree on this, and there's really not much point me defending Corbyn for the same reason there was no point in you bringing him up in the first place. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:36 - May 13 with 610 views | uefacup81 |
Interesting to see the response now coming out of No. 10.
They're clearly doubling down on it all, accusing KS of having mis-quoted the report. If there's one thing that KS has shown over the first month of his leadership, it's that he doesn't make accusations without making sure they're absolutely water-tight. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:46 - May 13 with 581 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:36 - May 13 by uefacup81 |
Interesting to see the response now coming out of No. 10.
They're clearly doubling down on it all, accusing KS of having mis-quoted the report. If there's one thing that KS has shown over the first month of his leadership, it's that he doesn't make accusations without making sure they're absolutely water-tight. |
So they're covering the lie with another lie? The report is still available on the government's own website FFS! | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:47 - May 13 with 575 views | sparks |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:21 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
It's not highlighting that at all. Corbyn held Boris to account on several occasions and to suggest otherwise is re-writing history.
I also have no idea why the past regime needs to be brought up in any case. Starmer is doing a great job. The old regime has gone so why keep banging on about it? |
It absolutely highlights that. Effective, calm incisive work rather than the common room politics approach. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:53 - May 13 with 563 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:34 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
No, it's pointless banging on about what Corbyn should have done, just as it was pointless people banging on about our ex managers long after they've left.
The problem with your statement that, "The old regime contributed to the mess we are in now because the Tories really weren't held to account" ignores the fact that the old regime had almost the entirety of the British press against them. They were more interested in calling Corbyn a commie than bothering making much of when he did hold the government to account.
But I suspect we're going to have to agree to disagree on this, and there's really not much point me defending Corbyn for the same reason there was no point in you bringing him up in the first place. |
I still think you're totally wrong on this one Dollers. There was a point in bringing up the past because it highlights the difference in approach and perceived results. How many times do people bring up the past of other parties even when the governing people were different? All the time is the answer.
You are essentially trying to censor the past by telling everyone off when they dare to mention what happened over the last 4 years.
That's not really acceptable in my view and my post was completely relevant.
So we will have to disagree on this one.
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:55 - May 13 with 554 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:47 - May 13 by sparks |
It absolutely highlights that. Effective, calm incisive work rather than the common room politics approach. |
A childish comment. I expect better from you Bullers. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:57 - May 13 with 539 views | sparks |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:55 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
A childish comment. I expect better from you Bullers. |
I can but refer you to Stokie's post- which you have rather vindicated here.
If you cant see the difference between calm incisive work and people asking questions from Mrs Trellis of North Wales, or waving Mao's book around, then you need to take the blinkers off. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:58 - May 13 with 535 views | Funge |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:55 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
A childish comment. I expect better from you Bullers. |
Not much childish about it, to be fair.
Lest we forget, McDonnell brandished a copy of Mao's Little Red Book at the despatch box - that's about as common-room as it gets.
EDIT - Bullers got there first. [Post edited 13 May 2020 15:59]
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:00 - May 13 with 517 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:53 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I still think you're totally wrong on this one Dollers. There was a point in bringing up the past because it highlights the difference in approach and perceived results. How many times do people bring up the past of other parties even when the governing people were different? All the time is the answer.
You are essentially trying to censor the past by telling everyone off when they dare to mention what happened over the last 4 years.
That's not really acceptable in my view and my post was completely relevant.
So we will have to disagree on this one.
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What does bringing up the old regime achieve when there's a new regime, and you seem to be happy with that new regime? | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:03 - May 13 with 502 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:57 - May 13 by sparks |
I can but refer you to Stokie's post- which you have rather vindicated here.
If you cant see the difference between calm incisive work and people asking questions from Mrs Trellis of North Wales, or waving Mao's book around, then you need to take the blinkers off. |
I thought including questions from the public (as the government are now doing with their daily Covid updates) was a good idea personally.
Again you go for the childish belittling attempt by saying "Mrs Trellis." Again, you're better than this Bullers. Try debating like an adult. | |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:06 - May 13 with 492 views | giant_stow |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:00 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
What does bringing up the old regime achieve when there's a new regime, and you seem to be happy with that new regime? |
There might be some point in bringing up the old regime, when the new one isn't yet secure in the eyes of momentum types or corbynites. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:10 - May 13 with 481 views | Funge |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:03 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I thought including questions from the public (as the government are now doing with their daily Covid updates) was a good idea personally.
Again you go for the childish belittling attempt by saying "Mrs Trellis." Again, you're better than this Bullers. Try debating like an adult. |
Dollers what exactly are you arguing against here.
It is a matter of fact that Corbyn presented questions at PMQs from Joe Public. Mrs Trellis/ Margo from Bishops Stortford/ Larsen Toure - who cares?
Like so many of Corbyns actions, it was well-intentioned, but appallingly executed, making it an easy source of ridicule for the opposition. Hence the 'common-room' moniker.
Nothing man Bullers has put forwards here is childish. | | | |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:15 - May 13 with 460 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 14:08 - May 13 by Darth_Koont |
Just needs to couple his undoubted QC skills with principles and values worth voting for.
Not saying he won't. But if this is just about playing the game of politics like a top barrister could then this is ineffective opposition of a different kind. |
Very true. As others have pointed out, the bar's quite low to be an improvement over the Government. But, yes he's certainly got his work cut out to win over people who we previously more on Corbyn's side.
Surely though a Labour person of any belief/faction/sect(?) would think he's a better option that BoJo and Vote Leave. They're bound to aren't they? Even the "Tory Blair" years were a vast improvement in terms of socially oriented policies over this current Govt, even if they did load up on PFI debt, sell the gold and blow up Iraq. We've never had int worse in my lifetime in the way people are treated than over the lsat decade (possibly clubbing miners comes a close 2nd, just because it was more visual). |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:16 - May 13 with 457 views | SpruceMoose |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 13:29 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
You mean to say it's good to have a Labour Party that's being led more effectively than a local allotment committee? Fully agree! |
C'mon Dollers, whatever good Corbyn was capable of you can't honestly think he made Labour an effective opposition surely? |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:16 - May 13 with 456 views | StokieBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:00 - May 13 by BrixtonBlue |
What does bringing up the old regime achieve when there's a new regime, and you seem to be happy with that new regime? |
This is really strange from you today. I think you are taking this far too personally.
Do you compare previous ITFC players to current ones even if you are happy with the current ones? What about work colleagues? What about meals? It's perfectly normal to compare things which are comparable and the most comparable thing is the thing that preceded the current one.
Comparing the current actions of the Labour leadership to those preceding it is perfectly valid. I think if it were any other subject or even person you'd have a totally different view.
I really don't see the need to justify what is a perfect reasonable post anymore so I will bid you a good day.
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:19 - May 13 with 446 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 15:53 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I still think you're totally wrong on this one Dollers. There was a point in bringing up the past because it highlights the difference in approach and perceived results. How many times do people bring up the past of other parties even when the governing people were different? All the time is the answer.
You are essentially trying to censor the past by telling everyone off when they dare to mention what happened over the last 4 years.
That's not really acceptable in my view and my post was completely relevant.
So we will have to disagree on this one.
SB |
I think how the previous 4 or so years was unfairly characterised by the press and Corbyn's opponents (naturally) but also by supposedly objective people means everyone's now a bit too keen to swing the other way and point out how everything's better with Starmer.
Clearly, this style is much better at PMQs and in the Commons. But we still need to see the campaigner and the principles coming through. I hope he passes that test when the time comes in which case he'll be a formidable opponent. Or he may pass that bit off to Rayner which might also work well.
Either way, I hope we rise above the level of the political game. People may be right that it's the game needs to be won but a) I think the game is what has brought people like Johnson and Farage to the fore, b) the game was used against Corbyn by his own side throughout and c) everything was thrown at him when he was talking about policies and managing to engage members and voters.
So I'm struggling to see why the game is always made the point. Seems like that's where we've been going wrong all along. |  |
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| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:20 - May 13 with 444 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey this Starmer chap's a bit good... on 16:10 - May 13 by Funge |
Dollers what exactly are you arguing against here.
It is a matter of fact that Corbyn presented questions at PMQs from Joe Public. Mrs Trellis/ Margo from Bishops Stortford/ Larsen Toure - who cares?
Like so many of Corbyns actions, it was well-intentioned, but appallingly executed, making it an easy source of ridicule for the opposition. Hence the 'common-room' moniker.
Nothing man Bullers has put forwards here is childish. |
Saying "Mrs Trellis" instead of "members of the public" deliberately belittles it. That, and calling Corbyn's politics "common-room."
Both looking to ridicule and thus childish. | |
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