| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? 21:39 - May 25 with 8986 views | BrixtonBlue |
He couldn't do a worse job than Evans, surely? He has pots of money. Morally and ethically we're already well down the river.
So what's the issue? |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:15 - May 26 with 1841 views | footers |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:11 - May 26 by GaryCooper |
The TWTD 'Rads' would fully embrace a Saudi prince owning ITFC but wet their Pampers over Mike Ashley. |
Why do people say this when it's patently untrue?
I know for you it's some kind of ongoing culture war thing to prove how much of a not-libtard you are, but people would be rightly angry if the Saudis took over too. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:17 - May 26 with 1832 views | footers |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:02 - May 26 by BrixtonBlue |
I wasn't talking about the club itself. Lot's of people have spoken about the ethics of what Marcus Evans business is all about, I just wondered what's so bad about Ashley's in that regard. |
Marcus Evans, to my knowledge, doesn't employ tens of thousands of people on zero-hours contracts in awful workhouse conditions, while Mike Ashley's made a career out of it.
And therein lies the difference. Pretty much all capitalism is immoral at some point, it's just MA's is far more abhorrent than ME's. | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:20 - May 26 with 1826 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:17 - May 26 by footers |
Marcus Evans, to my knowledge, doesn't employ tens of thousands of people on zero-hours contracts in awful workhouse conditions, while Mike Ashley's made a career out of it.
And therein lies the difference. Pretty much all capitalism is immoral at some point, it's just MA's is far more abhorrent than ME's. |
I'm sure working in a Sports Direct shop isn't a barrel of laughs, but surely "workhouse conditions" is a bit OTT? | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:23 - May 26 with 1813 views | footers |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:20 - May 26 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm sure working in a Sports Direct shop isn't a barrel of laughs, but surely "workhouse conditions" is a bit OTT? |
You haven't read how he runs his warehouses? | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:26 - May 26 with 1803 views | BrixtonBlue |
So not a huge difference between the two then? | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:29 - May 26 with 1802 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:05 - May 26 by DanTheMan |
On a related note, is there actually anything in him being interested in us specifically, or just a rumour? |
No, just the Sunday Mirror story and then some social media speculation. I've had an ask about and not heard anything to suggest there's anything in it being us. |  | | |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:58 - May 26 with 1761 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 08:00 - May 26 by GeoffSentence |
It's not equivalent at all. Newcastle have been bouncing about between the top and second tiers for pretty much all their history. This is the first time we have been at these depths in 62 years. |
Fair point if you go back a while but in modern football terms I’d suggest Newcastle are firmly a PL club and we’re firmly a Championship one
Indeed at the point Ashley took over at Newcastle they were very much an established PL side with aspirations of challenging at the top end of the table - finishing positions included 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th in the 6 seasons prior. Meanwhile we we were a Championship side whose recent finishes included 3rd, 5th and 7th
We’ve both stagnated under our respective owners, including ultimately being relegated. The only real difference is they then got back up whereas we have failed to do so so far, so personally I really don’t think there is a lot in it, they’ve both been well, cr*p |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 10:18 - May 26 with 1747 views | Guthrum |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:26 - May 26 by BrixtonBlue |
So not a huge difference between the two then? |
Except I might suggest Evans' offences have been blown up to rather more than they perhaps amount to. Whereas Ashley has been repeatedly hauled before courts and censured by national politicians or union leaders for his. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 10:20 - May 26 with 1738 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:15 - May 26 by footers |
Why do people say this when it's patently untrue?
I know for you it's some kind of ongoing culture war thing to prove how much of a not-libtard you are, but people would be rightly angry if the Saudis took over too. |
Oh I don't know. I wouldn't lose my head over it. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 10:23 - May 26 with 1733 views | GeoffSentence |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:05 - May 26 by DanTheMan |
On a related note, is there actually anything in him being interested in us specifically, or just a rumour? |
He has been quoted as saying that he was interested in buying lower level EFL club, one that had won the league and FA cup but had fallen down the leagues. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 11:58 - May 26 with 1675 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:11 - May 26 by GaryCooper |
The TWTD 'Rads' would fully embrace a Saudi prince owning ITFC but wet their Pampers over Mike Ashley. |
Silly boy. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 12:11 - May 26 with 1665 views | clive_baker |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 07:54 - May 26 by Guthrum |
How far are we 'morally and ethically ... down the river'?
Is there much evidence that we don't treat our players and staff reasonably well? We do fulfil our obligation to look after the injured, even beyond the end of contracts. We run a well-regarded Academy. Players may leave for more money or game-time, but we don't get ugly public battles trying to force them out or to stay.
Disputes with creditors seem to get settled before actually ending up in court (that we hear about).
Generally speaking, the club's vote has been on the right side of issues in recent years (FFP, Youth matters). |
This is the bit I don't really understand. Evans has been a crap owner in the respect that he's largely made terrible managerial appointments, but I don't see how we're in any way immoral. He's someone who has made an awful lot of money through corporate events, he's always come across very well in his time here, numerous charitable endeavours, remained loyal to his staff (too loyal in some cases), operated the club on a sound and sustainable financial footing and behaved responsibly with our stakeholders. I know a number of people to have worked with / for him and none have a bad word to say.
There was once an investigation into a touting accusation at the Rio Olympics if I remember rightly, which I don't recall concluding any wrong doing on Evans' part. I get the impression it's more a combination of his wealth, his registered place of residence and his spectacular inability to appoint a decent manager to a football club that are influencing peoples bias here. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 12:13 - May 26 with 1658 views | PhilTWTD |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 10:23 - May 26 by GeoffSentence |
He has been quoted as saying that he was interested in buying lower level EFL club, one that had won the league and FA cup but had fallen down the leagues. |
Was he quoted? Thought it was just reported that he was showing interest in a club of that profile. | | | |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 12:18 - May 26 with 1643 views | Ryorry |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 07:49 - May 26 by BryanPlug |
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They got just as rounded on & denounced, if not more so, by many of us on those threads too. |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 12:20 - May 26 with 1639 views | clive_baker |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:29 - May 26 by PhilTWTD |
No, just the Sunday Mirror story and then some social media speculation. I've had an ask about and not heard anything to suggest there's anything in it being us. |
He is buying a house on the Suffolk / Essex border.
I suspect he has a number of houses though, so not sure too much could be read into that. | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 13:53 - May 26 with 1562 views | Bluefish |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 22:14 - May 25 by monytowbray |
If it happens I won't be supporting ITFC again until he's gone.
I'll be in a minority and it will kill a part of my soul to make that choice, but any good moment for the club would feel tainted under his leadership.
If I even saw that pr1ck on the pitch at Portman Road I think my p1ss would boil. |
Well I was against him taking over until i read the first line of this |  |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 13:56 - May 26 with 1553 views | Bluefish |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 12:20 - May 26 by clive_baker |
He is buying a house on the Suffolk / Essex border.
I suspect he has a number of houses though, so not sure too much could be read into that. |
the house was in Norfolk a couple of days ago. Is he living with curbishley? | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 14:45 - May 26 with 1514 views | GeoffSentence |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 12:13 - May 26 by PhilTWTD |
Was he quoted? Thought it was just reported that he was showing interest in a club of that profile. |
oh my oh my oh my. I am contributing to fake news. No indeed, that stuff was reported not quoted.
The quote I have seen, and it was from an unnamed "source" rather than the man himself was along the lines of him saying that he would 'love to invest in a football league club with a sound fanbase and potential to grow', which could be a lot of clubs. | |
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| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 16:53 - May 26 with 1475 views | blueconscience |
| Why is everyone so against Mike Ashley taking over ITFC? on 09:29 - May 26 by PhilTWTD |
No, just the Sunday Mirror story and then some social media speculation. I've had an ask about and not heard anything to suggest there's anything in it being us. |
So we are stuck with Evans forever!!  |  |
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