| Sir Bob 22:08 - Jun 29 with 4256 views | itfcjoe |
Fair to say his greatest achievement as a manager was winning the UEFA Cup here in 81?
Won titles in Holland and Portugal, but with big clubs.... |  |
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| Sir Bob on 22:10 - Jun 29 with 2059 views | bournemouthblue |
did he not actually win anything with Barca? |  |
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| Sir Bob on 22:15 - Jun 29 with 2031 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Sir Bob on 22:10 - Jun 29 by bournemouthblue |
did he not actually win anything with Barca? |
Just the cup-winners cup. They won La Liga but he had moved upstairs as Director of Football or whatever title it had there. |  |
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| Sir Bob on 22:25 - Jun 29 with 1994 views | itfcjoe |
| Sir Bob on 22:10 - Jun 29 by bournemouthblue |
did he not actually win anything with Barca? |
Only a season there and won the Cup Winners Cup and I think the Spanish Cup before being moved upstairs | |
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| Sir Bob on 22:57 - Jun 29 with 1937 views | davblue |
| Sir Bob on 22:25 - Jun 29 by itfcjoe |
Only a season there and won the Cup Winners Cup and I think the Spanish Cup before being moved upstairs |
And the Spanish super cup.
And he took Ronaldo there. He was sensational in that period, I actually think if he hadn't had all of those bad injuries he would be talked about in the C Ronaldo and Messi levels of greatness.
He was the 1st footballer I remember being wowed by. |  | | |
| Sir Bob on 23:03 - Jun 29 with 1918 views | Herbivore |
| Sir Bob on 22:57 - Jun 29 by davblue |
And the Spanish super cup.
And he took Ronaldo there. He was sensational in that period, I actually think if he hadn't had all of those bad injuries he would be talked about in the C Ronaldo and Messi levels of greatness.
He was the 1st footballer I remember being wowed by. |
The only thing CR7 has over Ronaldo is longevity for me. If you're talking purely about ability, Ronaldo in his pomp was the better player imo. |  |
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| Sir Bob on 08:31 - Jun 30 with 1683 views | itfcjoe |
| Sir Bob on 22:57 - Jun 29 by davblue |
And the Spanish super cup.
And he took Ronaldo there. He was sensational in that period, I actually think if he hadn't had all of those bad injuries he would be talked about in the C Ronaldo and Messi levels of greatness.
He was the 1st footballer I remember being wowed by. |
My favourite of all time, just the absolute best to watch.
Messi and CR7 are obviously better with what they've done for so long, and how CR has constantly reinvented himself - but I just loved watching Ronaldo the times you could, which was infrequent.
I did see him live for Brazil in the 2006 World Cup, when he was a little bit past it, but did manage to sit the keeper on his arse in trademark style to break the World Cup goalscoring record at the end I was so can't complain! | |
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| Sir Bob on 09:47 - Jun 30 with 1607 views | Keno |
Very dusty in BN12 all of a sudden |  |
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| Sir Bob on 09:49 - Jun 30 with 1599 views | BlueBadger |
| Sir Bob on 23:03 - Jun 29 by Herbivore |
The only thing CR7 has over Ronaldo is longevity for me. If you're talking purely about ability, Ronaldo in his pomp was the better player imo. |
Amazing that CR7 didn't suffer the career ending injuries that Ronaldo did, given how much he's fallen over on the pitch in his career... [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 9:54]
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| Sir Bob on 09:51 - Jun 30 with 1584 views | PJH |
| Sir Bob on 09:49 - Jun 30 by BlueBadger |
Amazing that CR7 didn't suffer the career ending injuries that Ronaldo did, given how much he's fallen over on the pitch in his career... [Post edited 30 Jun 2020 9:54]
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Usually looking at the camera's and sometimes combing his hair as he falls over. |  | | |
| Sir Bob on 10:11 - Jun 30 with 1535 views | Pendejo |
ITFC has to be his greatest achievement full stop. This would be due to relative resources etc. So yes UEFA Cup 81.
Although his titles in Holland and Portugal were with big clubs I'm sure they'd had relatively lean spells beforehand. To the extent that Porto also has a statue of him. |  |
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| Sir Bob on 10:39 - Jun 30 with 1496 views | Pique |
| Sir Bob on 22:57 - Jun 29 by davblue |
And the Spanish super cup.
And he took Ronaldo there. He was sensational in that period, I actually think if he hadn't had all of those bad injuries he would be talked about in the C Ronaldo and Messi levels of greatness.
He was the 1st footballer I remember being wowed by. |
I think Ronaldo should be (and is) talked about in the same bracket as Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Between 1996 and 2002 he was probably the best player in the world (along with Zidane), and he was arguably the most complete forward since Pele.
Plus he won the World Cup, which neither Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo have managed. |  | | |
| Sir Bob on 10:44 - Jun 30 with 1487 views | Pique |
| Sir Bob on 22:25 - Jun 29 by itfcjoe |
Only a season there and won the Cup Winners Cup and I think the Spanish Cup before being moved upstairs |
Winning three trophies in that season with Barcelona, plus signing Ronaldo, was an amazing achievement given the context (following on directly from Cruyff, constant political scheming in the background with moves to unseat him etc).
Taking England to the semi finals in Italia 90 was also a major achievement.
Even turning Newcastle into a Champions League team looks like a miracle in hindsight!
Truth is that he has huge achievements spread throughout his career, but that 1981 season would definitely have to be up there. | | | |
| Sir Bob on 10:47 - Jun 30 with 1470 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all. Winning the UEFA Cup was very much a consolation prize for the best team in the land by a country mile that season.
His greatest achievement was to keep Town in the top division in his first two full seasons - which when you look at the team... top scorer one season was Viljoen with 6 - four of those being penalties.... despite the Portman Road faithful chanting for his dismissal. |  |
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| Sir Bob on 12:14 - Jun 30 with 1379 views | davblue |
| Sir Bob on 10:39 - Jun 30 by Pique |
I think Ronaldo should be (and is) talked about in the same bracket as Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Between 1996 and 2002 he was probably the best player in the world (along with Zidane), and he was arguably the most complete forward since Pele.
Plus he won the World Cup, which neither Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo have managed. |
I don't agree with that. I never hear him in discussions with them at that level. | | | |
| Sir Bob on 12:21 - Jun 30 with 1365 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sir Bob on 10:11 - Jun 30 by Pendejo |
ITFC has to be his greatest achievement full stop. This would be due to relative resources etc. So yes UEFA Cup 81.
Although his titles in Holland and Portugal were with big clubs I'm sure they'd had relatively lean spells beforehand. To the extent that Porto also has a statue of him. |
And Newcastle also have a statue of SBR and I hope the current furore might lead to it being pulled down. |  |
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| Sir Bob on 12:26 - Jun 30 with 1353 views | Ryorry |
We became and were a big club with him as our manager is the point for me! |  |
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| Sir Bob on 12:38 - Jun 30 with 1330 views | Libero |
| Sir Bob on 12:21 - Jun 30 by Radlett_blue |
And Newcastle also have a statue of SBR and I hope the current furore might lead to it being pulled down. |
wut? |  | | |
| Sir Bob on 12:58 - Jun 30 with 1293 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sir Bob on 12:38 - Jun 30 by Libero |
wut? |
Newcastle stupidly sacked SBR as finishing 5th in the Premier League & reaching the UEFA Cup semi final wasn't good enough for them. I found it absurd when they erected a statue of him outside St James's Park in 2012. | |
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| Sir Bob on 12:59 - Jun 30 with 1287 views | Herbivore |
| Sir Bob on 12:58 - Jun 30 by Radlett_blue |
Newcastle stupidly sacked SBR as finishing 5th in the Premier League & reaching the UEFA Cup semi final wasn't good enough for them. I found it absurd when they erected a statue of him outside St James's Park in 2012. |
As apologies go I'd say a statue is pretty impressive. | |
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| Sir Bob on 13:00 - Jun 30 with 1287 views | Libero |
| Sir Bob on 12:58 - Jun 30 by Radlett_blue |
Newcastle stupidly sacked SBR as finishing 5th in the Premier League & reaching the UEFA Cup semi final wasn't good enough for them. I found it absurd when they erected a statue of him outside St James's Park in 2012. |
Yes, I'm aware of Bobby's work, I was more trying to unpick your statue comment. | | | |
| Sir Bob on 13:03 - Jun 30 with 1285 views | Pique |
| Sir Bob on 12:14 - Jun 30 by davblue |
I don't agree with that. I never hear him in discussions with them at that level. |
Fair enough that you don’t agree. But which discussions, out of interest? | | | |
| Sir Bob on 13:23 - Jun 30 with 1254 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Sir Bob on 12:58 - Jun 30 by Radlett_blue |
Newcastle stupidly sacked SBR as finishing 5th in the Premier League & reaching the UEFA Cup semi final wasn't good enough for them. I found it absurd when they erected a statue of him outside St James's Park in 2012. |
Robson was sacked because he had lost all control of the dressing room and was embarrassing the club.
In just one memorable weekend Bellamy was involved in a violent fracas in Cardiff, Dyer was mysteriously absent from a roasting session in London, despite paying for it, and Bramble was involved in the same incident, then found not to have ever bothered with a driving licence.... all rather a long way from Newcastle.
Quite a good piece by Souness in the ST at the weekend..... Newcastle wanted a lion tamer. | |
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| Sir Bob on 13:33 - Jun 30 with 1214 views | davblue |
| Sir Bob on 13:03 - Jun 30 by Pique |
Fair enough that you don’t agree. But which discussions, out of interest? |
Ronaldo being talked about in the same category as Messi and C Ronaldo. | | | |
| Sir Bob on 14:12 - Jun 30 with 1169 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sir Bob on 13:23 - Jun 30 by ElephantintheRoom |
Robson was sacked because he had lost all control of the dressing room and was embarrassing the club.
In just one memorable weekend Bellamy was involved in a violent fracas in Cardiff, Dyer was mysteriously absent from a roasting session in London, despite paying for it, and Bramble was involved in the same incident, then found not to have ever bothered with a driving licence.... all rather a long way from Newcastle.
Quite a good piece by Souness in the ST at the weekend..... Newcastle wanted a lion tamer. |
Some of the players were embarrassing the club & yes, the manager has to take some responsibility for that, but after sacking SBR, Newcastle spent most of the next 5 years in the lower reaches of the Premier League before the inevitable relegation. They'd finished 4th, 3rd & 5th in SBR's last 3 seasons. | |
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