| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) 18:45 - Jul 25 with 36116 views | bluelagos |
Quarantine for returning to the UK just announced on BBC breaking news.
FFS. [Post edited 25 Jul 2020 18:45]
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:23 - Jul 26 with 5902 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 09:59 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
How were you planning to socially distance at the airport and on the plane? |
By wearing a mask as per guidelines. |  |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:25 - Jul 26 with 5895 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:12 - Jul 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Do you mind me asking what part of Scotland Herbie? |
Not at all, will be in Dumfries and Galloway. |  |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:27 - Jul 26 with 5881 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:23 - Jul 26 by 26_Paz |
By wearing a mask as per guidelines. |
Masks reduce the risk of spreading infection but are far from 100% safe and they aren't as effective as social distancing. The travelling there is still a risk, being in enclosed spaces for so long with lots of other people even if they all comply with wearing masks. Then once you're there you've got lots of holidaymakers, will they all adhere to social distancing measures and regular handwashing? Probably not after a few bevvies. It's not for me for the foreseeable mate, but we all have to make our own choices. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:28 - Jul 26 with 5870 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:25 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Not at all, will be in Dumfries and Galloway. |
Nice part of the country. We used to go to the Wickerman festival there.
Good luck with the move. |  |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:47 - Jul 26 with 5829 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:27 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Masks reduce the risk of spreading infection but are far from 100% safe and they aren't as effective as social distancing. The travelling there is still a risk, being in enclosed spaces for so long with lots of other people even if they all comply with wearing masks. Then once you're there you've got lots of holidaymakers, will they all adhere to social distancing measures and regular handwashing? Probably not after a few bevvies. It's not for me for the foreseeable mate, but we all have to make our own choices. |
Fair enough mate, I get that. My frustration is that there are only a handful of cases in the canaries. The issue is in Catalonia which is hundreds of miles away. You can go to the Pyrenees region of Spain which is far closer but just because the canaries fall under the same jurisdiction you can’t go. For me should have been more targeted measures specific to the affected regions. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:59 - Jul 26 with 5812 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:47 - Jul 26 by 26_Paz |
Fair enough mate, I get that. My frustration is that there are only a handful of cases in the canaries. The issue is in Catalonia which is hundreds of miles away. You can go to the Pyrenees region of Spain which is far closer but just because the canaries fall under the same jurisdiction you can’t go. For me should have been more targeted measures specific to the affected regions. |
Problem is that people can move freely around Spain, so whilst the outbreaks look regional for now it might be that in a couple of weeks the virus has actually been spread further in Spain and they are headed towards a new peak. We didn't act early enough first time around, the only way we're going to keep a lid on things is through early responses now.
Edit - and if you ban flights from, say, Barcelona only what is to stop people going to a different Spanish airport to fly to the UK even if they've come from that region? [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 11:03]
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:03 - Jul 26 with 5793 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:47 - Jul 26 by 26_Paz |
Fair enough mate, I get that. My frustration is that there are only a handful of cases in the canaries. The issue is in Catalonia which is hundreds of miles away. You can go to the Pyrenees region of Spain which is far closer but just because the canaries fall under the same jurisdiction you can’t go. For me should have been more targeted measures specific to the affected regions. |
I'm with you on this one Paz...there is no logic to this decision. Targetted quarantine of flights coming back from spiking Spanish areas at this time would have been sensible and even welcomed by most and got the government a badly needed brownie point...instead, it's another own goal. Like in the cricket, they've now taken a light reading and will have to apply the same rules if similar localised spikes occur in other countries, which will be a major problem. |  | | |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:09 - Jul 26 with 5774 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:59 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Problem is that people can move freely around Spain, so whilst the outbreaks look regional for now it might be that in a couple of weeks the virus has actually been spread further in Spain and they are headed towards a new peak. We didn't act early enough first time around, the only way we're going to keep a lid on things is through early responses now.
Edit - and if you ban flights from, say, Barcelona only what is to stop people going to a different Spanish airport to fly to the UK even if they've come from that region? [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 11:03]
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What’s to stop people in Barcelona driving into France and then flying into Britain? There’s no quarantine between France and Spain as far as I’m aware (not 100% so happy to be corrected on that). | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:10 - Jul 26 with 5770 views | bluelagos |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:59 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Problem is that people can move freely around Spain, so whilst the outbreaks look regional for now it might be that in a couple of weeks the virus has actually been spread further in Spain and they are headed towards a new peak. We didn't act early enough first time around, the only way we're going to keep a lid on things is through early responses now.
Edit - and if you ban flights from, say, Barcelona only what is to stop people going to a different Spanish airport to fly to the UK even if they've come from that region? [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 11:03]
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No issues with them acting fast, but I do have issues with
1. They knew it was coming in 48 hours ago and did nothing to warn those who travelled Fri and Sat.
2. We dont seem to be able to differentiate between Catalonia and other regions where the virus has lower rates than the UK.
3. We dont seem able to offer tests on return and thus expect people to quarantine who may be virus free and happy to test.
4. We even have a sitation where the Balerics are according to FCO advice good to visit yet holiday makers are still expected to quarartine.
It feels to me much like a number of govt responses, be it health and or financial. Blanket approach because they dont have the time to develop a more targeted approach. On this occasion, seems pretty lame given that they have had a while to consider how to react. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:12 - Jul 26 with 5758 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:59 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Problem is that people can move freely around Spain, so whilst the outbreaks look regional for now it might be that in a couple of weeks the virus has actually been spread further in Spain and they are headed towards a new peak. We didn't act early enough first time around, the only way we're going to keep a lid on things is through early responses now.
Edit - and if you ban flights from, say, Barcelona only what is to stop people going to a different Spanish airport to fly to the UK even if they've come from that region? [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 11:03]
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You can never have a completely watertight quarantine system...people will find a way round it if they really want to. But you can take a sensible approach which does not require a blanket rule for a whole country and will vastly reduce the chance of virus spread. Do you think other countries should have banned their citizens from visiting the UK because Leicester got locked own and some northern towns had spikes? If Edinburgh and surroundings spiked, should visitors not come from abroad to Cornwall? | | | |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:16 - Jul 26 with 5736 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:10 - Jul 26 by bluelagos |
No issues with them acting fast, but I do have issues with
1. They knew it was coming in 48 hours ago and did nothing to warn those who travelled Fri and Sat.
2. We dont seem to be able to differentiate between Catalonia and other regions where the virus has lower rates than the UK.
3. We dont seem able to offer tests on return and thus expect people to quarantine who may be virus free and happy to test.
4. We even have a sitation where the Balerics are according to FCO advice good to visit yet holiday makers are still expected to quarartine.
It feels to me much like a number of govt responses, be it health and or financial. Blanket approach because they dont have the time to develop a more targeted approach. On this occasion, seems pretty lame given that they have had a while to consider how to react. |
As some know on here I’m a big Boris fan but I agree with everything you’ve said. This is a big c0ck up from a government that is starting to get slightly too fond of c0ck ups ... | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:16 - Jul 26 with 5737 views | Libero |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:12 - Jul 26 by mikeybloo88 |
You can never have a completely watertight quarantine system...people will find a way round it if they really want to. But you can take a sensible approach which does not require a blanket rule for a whole country and will vastly reduce the chance of virus spread. Do you think other countries should have banned their citizens from visiting the UK because Leicester got locked own and some northern towns had spikes? If Edinburgh and surroundings spiked, should visitors not come from abroad to Cornwall? |
I really don’t think people should be travelling so extensively, we could all do with keeping our social circles and movements as small as possible. In my opinion it’s a bit inconsiderate and risky to be planning a holiday abroad in the current circumstances. [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 11:17]
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:17 - Jul 26 with 5731 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:12 - Jul 26 by mikeybloo88 |
You can never have a completely watertight quarantine system...people will find a way round it if they really want to. But you can take a sensible approach which does not require a blanket rule for a whole country and will vastly reduce the chance of virus spread. Do you think other countries should have banned their citizens from visiting the UK because Leicester got locked own and some northern towns had spikes? If Edinburgh and surroundings spiked, should visitors not come from abroad to Cornwall? |
Exactly mate, exactly! | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:26 - Jul 26 with 5708 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:12 - Jul 26 by mikeybloo88 |
You can never have a completely watertight quarantine system...people will find a way round it if they really want to. But you can take a sensible approach which does not require a blanket rule for a whole country and will vastly reduce the chance of virus spread. Do you think other countries should have banned their citizens from visiting the UK because Leicester got locked own and some northern towns had spikes? If Edinburgh and surroundings spiked, should visitors not come from abroad to Cornwall? |
Visits to Spain aren't banned so I'm not sure what your point is on that one. People can take their own decision on whether they feel safe to travel but they will have to quarantine when they return. That's a public health decision and a fairly reasonable one in the circumstances. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:31 - Jul 26 with 5694 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:26 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Visits to Spain aren't banned so I'm not sure what your point is on that one. People can take their own decision on whether they feel safe to travel but they will have to quarantine when they return. That's a public health decision and a fairly reasonable one in the circumstances. |
It’s not reasonable if you’ve been somewhere with low corona rates | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:33 - Jul 26 with 5692 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:27 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Masks reduce the risk of spreading infection but are far from 100% safe and they aren't as effective as social distancing. The travelling there is still a risk, being in enclosed spaces for so long with lots of other people even if they all comply with wearing masks. Then once you're there you've got lots of holidaymakers, will they all adhere to social distancing measures and regular handwashing? Probably not after a few bevvies. It's not for me for the foreseeable mate, but we all have to make our own choices. |
The biggest potential problem with flying is you having to rely on the integrity of fellow passengers, and cabin crew etc.
We had a cruise from Miami cancelled at the last minute. The cruise company had given details of the steps they were taking assuming the cruise went ahead, this included medical checks prior to boarding, Che king temperature etc. amazing how many people were saying on Facebook group page, it was a speciality cruise where a company charters the ship, that they would take medication to suppress any symptoms, cough- fever etc. |  |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:39 - Jul 26 with 5684 views | Trequartista |
Has to be done, we can't have it both ways and criticise both this decision and previous government inaction.
What i don't get is that the spike is in mainland Spain but the ban applies to the balearics and the canaries. The virus spreads geographically, not politically. I know you can't micromanage every house, but still, these are clearly defined areas. |  |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:06 - Jul 26 with 5638 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:31 - Jul 26 by 26_Paz |
It’s not reasonable if you’ve been somewhere with low corona rates |
But areas that look like they might have low rates based on current data that are neighboring areas where rates are high are potentially very risky. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:08 - Jul 26 with 5632 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:39 - Jul 26 by Trequartista |
Has to be done, we can't have it both ways and criticise both this decision and previous government inaction.
What i don't get is that the spike is in mainland Spain but the ban applies to the balearics and the canaries. The virus spreads geographically, not politically. I know you can't micromanage every house, but still, these are clearly defined areas. |
I do agree that the islands could potentially be exempted. Mainland is more problematic. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:11 - Jul 26 with 5620 views | 26_Paz |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:06 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
But areas that look like they might have low rates based on current data that are neighboring areas where rates are high are potentially very risky. |
True ... I just want Tenerife out by 13th August! Haha | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:12 - Jul 26 with 5616 views | bluelagos |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 11:16 - Jul 26 by Libero |
I really don’t think people should be travelling so extensively, we could all do with keeping our social circles and movements as small as possible. In my opinion it’s a bit inconsiderate and risky to be planning a holiday abroad in the current circumstances. [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 11:17]
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Think that's a tad unfair Libby. If a family who live together, travel together and then get an appartment in the Costa del wherever, all in line with govt advice, then I think labelling them selfish is unfair.
I would agree where people are hoping to do an 18:30s style trip with foam parties etc. But most holiday makers are family units and will be staying in those units.
And if you think they are wrong to go, surely your ire should be directed at those who make the rules rather than those who holiday inline with them? | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:15 - Jul 26 with 5606 views | bluelagos |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 08:53 - Jul 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I remember when holidays were being cancelled back in March, the general consensus was that foreign holidays would be a no no for a couple of years and that we would all be holidaying in our own counties in the foreseeable. |
Your memory is very different from mine on that Glassers. We even had a thread where people talked about cheap travel when the CV was first breaking. Some may have said unlikely travel this year, but to say it was a consensus and/or for 2 years is some way off the mark from what I remember. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:16 - Jul 26 with 5604 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:08 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
I do agree that the islands could potentially be exempted. Mainland is more problematic. |
The decision we made was blanket for immediate impact as travel patterns of Spanish citizens was in danger of causing peaks on the islands. Now local lockdowns are back in place in Spain it will help.
The Canaries and Balearics were always planned to be relaxed within a few weeks once we see if rates there are still low. That needs 2 weeks though.
So Paz might get his wish to head off to Tenerife. Phew :) |  | | |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:41 - Jul 26 with 5563 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:16 - Jul 26 by ElderGrizzly |
The decision we made was blanket for immediate impact as travel patterns of Spanish citizens was in danger of causing peaks on the islands. Now local lockdowns are back in place in Spain it will help.
The Canaries and Balearics were always planned to be relaxed within a few weeks once we see if rates there are still low. That needs 2 weeks though.
So Paz might get his wish to head off to Tenerife. Phew :) |
Hopefully Paz's apartment has no WiFi. | |
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| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 12:56 - Jul 26 with 5541 views | GaryCooper |
| Anyone off to (Or in Spain?) on 10:25 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Not at all, will be in Dumfries and Galloway. |
Had six months in Kirkcudbright, lovely part of the world. |  | | |
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