| Nsiala 17:13 - Aug 19 with 7117 views | hype313 |
I actually think there is a player in there, happy to be shot down, but I think if he can get some confidence he could do a job for us this season.
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| Nsiala on 20:51 - Aug 19 with 1798 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Nsiala on 20:45 - Aug 19 by BlueBadger |
Not being very good probably hasn't helped him either, in all fairness. [Post edited 19 Aug 2020 20:49]
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He was fine in the tail end of the season while we were in the championship. He has had 0 run of games since then, plus injuries. He was one of the players in this league a few seasons ago - I don’t believe he has lost that overnight. |  |
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| Nsiala on 20:56 - Aug 19 with 1792 views | BlueBadger |
| Nsiala on 20:51 - Aug 19 by JammyDodgerrr |
He was fine in the tail end of the season while we were in the championship. He has had 0 run of games since then, plus injuries. He was one of the players in this league a few seasons ago - I don’t believe he has lost that overnight. |
We conceded 10 games in the final 5 games of the Championship when he was playing. I'm not sure that playing in a defence shipping an average of 2 a game is much of a recommendation.. |  |
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| Nsiala on 21:03 - Aug 19 with 1793 views | patrickswell |
I know it’s petty and small-minded of me but I see him and Nolan as far more indicitive of our decline than Chambers or Skuse. I probably won’t truly breathe out on this until all Hurst’s signings have left us, mainly because after 2 years none of them have proven themselves truly indispensable to our prospects in a game and I’ve certainly never lost sleep over the thought of Nsiala or Nolan not featuring in a line-up. |  | | |
| Nsiala on 21:13 - Aug 19 with 1781 views | patrickswell |
| Nsiala on 17:25 - Aug 19 by Herbivore |
That sending off was completely ridiculous. That it was upheld even more so. |
Came a week after Tayo Edun got two yellow cards in the space of 3 minutes as well. No final warning, certainly no discretion to the home side applied by referee Tim Robinson, although we were playing Aston Villa and Jack Grealish was stamping his foot and pointing Tayo out after the second foul, so we had to remember our place and Robinson certainly showed deference to Villa in his handling of that episode.
I can’t think what it might about Nsiala and Edun that tipped these bald, white, middle aged referees into sending them off... | | | |
| Nsiala on 21:23 - Aug 19 with 1774 views | thebooks |
Like many are saying here, he's an absolute diamond, the sort of player you really want to do well and could become a crowd favourite.
To me, main problem seems to be confidence — he has been a good player at this level, and had a few good games in the championship. He's maybe not the best player for a team that struggles, which is obviously somewhat problematic if you're playing for Ipswich Town. |  | | |
| Nsiala on 21:55 - Aug 19 with 1742 views | hype313 |
| Nsiala on 21:23 - Aug 19 by thebooks |
Like many are saying here, he's an absolute diamond, the sort of player you really want to do well and could become a crowd favourite.
To me, main problem seems to be confidence — he has been a good player at this level, and had a few good games in the championship. He's maybe not the best player for a team that struggles, which is obviously somewhat problematic if you're playing for Ipswich Town. |
That's what I mean, there's clearly a player in there, but equally as most have said, he has also been a liability, really frustrating because with some decent coaching and an arm around him, he could be a rock. | |
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| Nsiala on 22:34 - Aug 19 with 1714 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Nsiala on 21:13 - Aug 19 by patrickswell |
Came a week after Tayo Edun got two yellow cards in the space of 3 minutes as well. No final warning, certainly no discretion to the home side applied by referee Tim Robinson, although we were playing Aston Villa and Jack Grealish was stamping his foot and pointing Tayo out after the second foul, so we had to remember our place and Robinson certainly showed deference to Villa in his handling of that episode.
I can’t think what it might about Nsiala and Edun that tipped these bald, white, middle aged referees into sending them off... |
Are you suggesting they got sent off because they've got hair? |  | | |
| Nsiala on 22:47 - Aug 19 with 1695 views | Keaneish |
| Nsiala on 18:41 - Aug 19 by cressi |
Really what you being smoking Bambi on ice get rid. Like people rated Pennington had to make big tackles as always out of position. |
Sorry fella; your punctuation and grammar is all over the shop - what’s your point? Nsiala is better than Pennington? I’d have neither right now. Nsiala should be nowhere this side. If he is come kick-off, we really are a bargain basement club. |  |
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| Nsiala on 22:50 - Aug 19 with 1689 views | jeera |
| Nsiala on 22:47 - Aug 19 by Keaneish |
Sorry fella; your punctuation and grammar is all over the shop - what’s your point? Nsiala is better than Pennington? I’d have neither right now. Nsiala should be nowhere this side. If he is come kick-off, we really are a bargain basement club. |
Apparently you've been smoking 'bambi on ice'.
I dunno what that is but is wasn't available when I was younger.
I wonder if it's any good. |  |
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| Nsiala on 23:08 - Aug 19 with 1635 views | unstableblue |
| Nsiala on 21:03 - Aug 19 by patrickswell |
I know it’s petty and small-minded of me but I see him and Nolan as far more indicitive of our decline than Chambers or Skuse. I probably won’t truly breathe out on this until all Hurst’s signings have left us, mainly because after 2 years none of them have proven themselves truly indispensable to our prospects in a game and I’ve certainly never lost sleep over the thought of Nsiala or Nolan not featuring in a line-up. |
I think you may have this slightly wrong....
Nolan and Nsiala were players putting in week in week out 7-9/10 performances in a team performing very well in a league below the Championship.
For them to step up they needed to come into a well functioning championship side, with a good identity and where there were the right slots for their abilities into a system that was going to be effective.
They joined a squad that had lost a lot of technical capability and confidence - pass, move, control (as chambo stated) - with a manager who'd moved up without the right man management skills, and into a state of system and a confidence that was awful.
I still think there are players in there, but its been a wrong environment and they've regressed |  |
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| Nsiala on 23:20 - Aug 19 with 1616 views | Keaneish |
| Nsiala on 22:50 - Aug 19 by jeera |
Apparently you've been smoking 'bambi on ice'.
I dunno what that is but is wasn't available when I was younger.
I wonder if it's any good. |
I believe ice is methamphetamine. I have no idea what Bambie is. Anyone one in the farmland growing / manufacturing any who care to shed light? | |
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| Nsiala on 23:23 - Aug 19 with 1614 views | jeera |
| Nsiala on 23:20 - Aug 19 by Keaneish |
I believe ice is methamphetamine. I have no idea what Bambie is. Anyone one in the farmland growing / manufacturing any who care to shed light? |
Whatever it is, it's bound to be dear.
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| Nsiala on 07:17 - Aug 20 with 1549 views | Kieran_Knows |
Not for me, I’d sell him ASAP. Just not good enough. |  |
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| Nsiala on 07:20 - Aug 20 with 1549 views | Darth_Koont |
You're right but others are also right that his basic decision-making looks suspect. The bizarre thing is that when you're as good an athlete as he is you don't even need to dive in. And he's got the strength to dominate the opposition with pressure rather than a full-blooded challenge.
But perhaps the last couple of seasons will have taught him a lot and we'll see a more mature player. |  |
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| Nsiala on 08:13 - Aug 20 with 1523 views | hype313 |
| Nsiala on 07:20 - Aug 20 by Darth_Koont |
You're right but others are also right that his basic decision-making looks suspect. The bizarre thing is that when you're as good an athlete as he is you don't even need to dive in. And he's got the strength to dominate the opposition with pressure rather than a full-blooded challenge.
But perhaps the last couple of seasons will have taught him a lot and we'll see a more mature player. |
Which is basically his mindset, he has all the attributes to command the back, but as you say his decision making has been suspect. But surely this is down to psychology and good coaching, which has been bereft for a number of years.
Others say just bin him off, like I said in my op, I think there is a player in there that could do a good job.
Sometimes it's to easy to just say get rid, it would be quite refreshing to see a manager actually coach someone to improve them. | |
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| Nsiala on 08:29 - Aug 20 with 1521 views | itfcjoe |
There is a player there, but for whatever reason it isn't working for him here - and I think it's past the point of no return. Certain players just need a fresh start and he's one of them.
Not to the same extent, but a bit like Karius at Liverpool, he's clearly good enough to be their number 2 but it just won't happen |  |
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| Nsiala on 08:33 - Aug 20 with 1515 views | Garv |
With a run of games and confidence I imagine him doing a job, but at the moment he's not in with a shout of starting games and he doesn't seem a player who can come in from the cold and be trusted to be solid.
To remember him as a complete donkey isn't entirely fair I don't think. I still remember the Swansea 3-2 game in which he was immense. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 8:42]
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| Nsiala on 08:37 - Aug 20 with 1509 views | itfcjoe |
| Nsiala on 08:13 - Aug 20 by hype313 |
Which is basically his mindset, he has all the attributes to command the back, but as you say his decision making has been suspect. But surely this is down to psychology and good coaching, which has been bereft for a number of years.
Others say just bin him off, like I said in my op, I think there is a player in there that could do a good job.
Sometimes it's to easy to just say get rid, it would be quite refreshing to see a manager actually coach someone to improve them. |
You will struggle to see a worse season than he had last year.
Injured in pre season because he didn't warm up properly which infuriated Lambert and the management team, and meant we had to sign Wilson.
And then league appearances
Accrington - gave away a penalty, booked, taken off at half time - lost 0-2
Portsmouth - Booked, taken off after 38 minutes to prevent a red card - lost 0-1
Gillingham - Booked, part of a team that kept a clean sheet - drew 0-0
3 appearances and he didn't make it to the 2nd half in two of them, crazy
I don't know how he got on at Bolton | |
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| Nsiala on 08:48 - Aug 20 with 1495 views | patrickswell |
| Nsiala on 23:08 - Aug 19 by unstableblue |
I think you may have this slightly wrong....
Nolan and Nsiala were players putting in week in week out 7-9/10 performances in a team performing very well in a league below the Championship.
For them to step up they needed to come into a well functioning championship side, with a good identity and where there were the right slots for their abilities into a system that was going to be effective.
They joined a squad that had lost a lot of technical capability and confidence - pass, move, control (as chambo stated) - with a manager who'd moved up without the right man management skills, and into a state of system and a confidence that was awful.
I still think there are players in there, but its been a wrong environment and they've regressed |
I think the point about Hurst’s signings coming into an environment which he made toxic is a valid one. The widely held feeling that Hurst “lost his nerve” with all those incoherent selections/formations in September/October 2018 is surely down to him realising that he’d walked into a trap of his own making: selling the best players, bringing in too many guys who needed more help to make the step-up and now stuck with a load of players he’d alienated from the moment he arrived. Very hard to claw that back. | | | |
| Nsiala on 09:13 - Aug 20 with 1475 views | Garv |
| Nsiala on 08:48 - Aug 20 by patrickswell |
I think the point about Hurst’s signings coming into an environment which he made toxic is a valid one. The widely held feeling that Hurst “lost his nerve” with all those incoherent selections/formations in September/October 2018 is surely down to him realising that he’d walked into a trap of his own making: selling the best players, bringing in too many guys who needed more help to make the step-up and now stuck with a load of players he’d alienated from the moment he arrived. Very hard to claw that back. |
I loved the changed line up for the Norwich game. Loved that he wasn't afraid to mix things up for a big game, brought in new signings (Walters, Graham, Pennington). We were the better side that day and should have won, Edwards and Walters missing golden chances.
Some of the other games around that time, though. Dear oh dear. Some say Lambert makes a lot of changes. | |
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| Nsiala on 09:27 - Aug 20 with 1470 views | Herbivore |
| Nsiala on 09:13 - Aug 20 by Garv |
I loved the changed line up for the Norwich game. Loved that he wasn't afraid to mix things up for a big game, brought in new signings (Walters, Graham, Pennington). We were the better side that day and should have won, Edwards and Walters missing golden chances.
Some of the other games around that time, though. Dear oh dear. Some say Lambert makes a lot of changes. |
That Norwich line up was the beginning of the end for Hurst. Smacked of a man ditching his plan and principles and desperately hoping to stumble on something that would get a win. It was a forerunner of Lambingo. |  |
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| Nsiala on 09:52 - Aug 20 with 1467 views | Garv |
| Nsiala on 09:27 - Aug 20 by Herbivore |
That Norwich line up was the beginning of the end for Hurst. Smacked of a man ditching his plan and principles and desperately hoping to stumble on something that would get a win. It was a forerunner of Lambingo. |
Disagree. We'd made a pretty rubbish start to the season, he wanted a reaction and to create an atmosphere of positivity and excitement. I think he got it. We played well and should have won. If Edwards scores that chance second half and we win 2-0 or 2-1 it wouldn't be mentioned. | |
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| Nsiala on 09:59 - Aug 20 with 1453 views | Herbivore |
| Nsiala on 09:52 - Aug 20 by Garv |
Disagree. We'd made a pretty rubbish start to the season, he wanted a reaction and to create an atmosphere of positivity and excitement. I think he got it. We played well and should have won. If Edwards scores that chance second half and we win 2-0 or 2-1 it wouldn't be mentioned. |
You can disagree if you like, but I make you wrong. Up to that game we'd drawn a couple of games or lost by the odd goal. We were unlucky to lose at Rotherham and Sheffield Wednesday. We weren't playing too badly but lacked quality in the final third. The Norwich game saw us rip that all up and make numerous changes and play a different system. That approach then continued right up to his departure. The selection was one of a manager panicking and losing it. He and we never recovered from there. It was the beginning of the end. | |
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| Nsiala on 10:10 - Aug 20 with 1440 views | Vaughan8 |
I'm goi ng to disagree. I have seen him live ma few times including once vs swansea (I think) at the end of the championship season. He was awful. Not sure where this myth that he was good in the championship comes from.
Saw him a couple of times last season. The Gillingham at home game I was embarassed for him. We're not talking just a lot of mistakes, he couldn't actually kick the ball away or straight.
Not sure what has happened if he was apparently a good player in this league a few season ago, but from what I have seen, he is a liability. How many penalties does he give away. Slow clumsy.
I would "bin him off". How we paid as much as we did for him and Nolan. Shrewsbury must be laughing!
I would say he is the worst player I have seen in an Ipswich shirt who has played more than a handful of games. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 10:11]
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| Nsiala on 10:14 - Aug 20 with 1433 views | Garv |
| Nsiala on 09:59 - Aug 20 by Herbivore |
You can disagree if you like, but I make you wrong. Up to that game we'd drawn a couple of games or lost by the odd goal. We were unlucky to lose at Rotherham and Sheffield Wednesday. We weren't playing too badly but lacked quality in the final third. The Norwich game saw us rip that all up and make numerous changes and play a different system. That approach then continued right up to his departure. The selection was one of a manager panicking and losing it. He and we never recovered from there. It was the beginning of the end. |
What's wrong with playing a different system for a one off game if it gets you a result, which it should have and almost did? I don't condone what he did after that because, as I mentioned above, some of it was just unbelievable. | |
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