| It seems he's actually a CB? on 07:26 - Sep 23 with 3664 views | Darth_Koont |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 05:54 - Sep 23 by textbackup |
What?!
We let in sloppy goal after sloppy goal. Defence was as much as a problem as any other position on the pitch. Needed attention desperately
However, as you are never wrong it’s probably a waste of time even replying to you |
The goals we let in were only a problem because we weren’t scoring enough at the other end. And we were particularly toothless against our rivals for promotion.
Not saying that tightening up wouldn’t be a good thing. But it’s a “nice to have” when getting our attack firing on more than just one cylinder is an absolute “must have”. |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 07:55 - Sep 23 with 3636 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 05:54 - Sep 23 by textbackup |
What?!
We let in sloppy goal after sloppy goal. Defence was as much as a problem as any other position on the pitch. Needed attention desperately
However, as you are never wrong it’s probably a waste of time even replying to you |
Our defence was top 6 in terms of goals conceded and clean sheets. Both Rotherham and Wycombe went up having shipped more goals than us. Bear in mind as well that a quarter of the goals we conceded all season came in two games against Lincoln and Peterborough where I agree we were a sh!t show at the back (got to remember Norris' contribution too and he's now gone). That wasn't typical though, that was 2 games out of 36 and we only conceded 27 goals in our other 34 games. Plenty good enough for a side aiming for promotion. Our goalscoring on the other hand was a way off being good enough. |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 07:58 - Sep 23 with 3634 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 20:15 - Sep 22 by PJH |
Don't think anyone is getting upset but a few are wondering why we need 5 first team centre halfs unless there is something suggesting that either KVY or Woolfy or both are not going to be around for a while. |
Indeed. Nobody is upset, it just looks an odd signing when we've got plenty of cover at CB on the whole. Lambert has spoken about players earning and keeping the shirt and so far Nsiala and Wilson have done well covering for injuries, it seems a bit odd to bring an extra body in. We know what happens when Lambert has too many squad options.
For me a striker that can actually play as a lone striker whilst offering a goal threat is more of an issue. Norwood offers a threat but has zero positional discipline and isn't much of a footballer. Hawkins can hold it up and link up play but won't get goals. | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:26 - Sep 23 with 3612 views | Wickets |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 18:30 - Sep 22 by Herbivore |
For virtually all of last season Chambers, Woolf, Wilson and Nsiala were fit. We were even able to let Nsiala go out on loan. CB just doesn't strike me as a priority area for us. |
Remind me again where these four good enough to get us promoted . If McGuinness is an improvement on any of the above ,and i suspect he is why would PL not bring him in ? |  | | |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:30 - Sep 23 with 3606 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:26 - Sep 23 by Wickets |
Remind me again where these four good enough to get us promoted . If McGuinness is an improvement on any of the above ,and i suspect he is why would PL not bring him in ? |
Defence wasn't our issue last season, defensively we were solidly top 6. We didn't create or score enough and that's not on the defence. We don't really know if McGuiness is an improvement, let's hope he is, but I'd question whether we can really play two kids at the heart of defence for a whole League 1 season given that I'm sure most of us want to see Woolfy in the team. It's just an odd signing. For me we're lacking someone who can lead the line and get goals and proper cover for KVY. Central defence looks less of a priority. | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:36 - Sep 23 with 3598 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:30 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
Defence wasn't our issue last season, defensively we were solidly top 6. We didn't create or score enough and that's not on the defence. We don't really know if McGuiness is an improvement, let's hope he is, but I'd question whether we can really play two kids at the heart of defence for a whole League 1 season given that I'm sure most of us want to see Woolfy in the team. It's just an odd signing. For me we're lacking someone who can lead the line and get goals and proper cover for KVY. Central defence looks less of a priority. |
I agree with you. Then again, the transfer window isn't shut yet so maybe a goalscoring hold up player is in the offing too? Lambert must have concerns there as well as the rest of us. |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:50 - Sep 23 with 3584 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:36 - Sep 23 by BrixtonBlue |
I agree with you. Then again, the transfer window isn't shut yet so maybe a goalscoring hold up player is in the offing too? Lambert must have concerns there as well as the rest of us. |
I hope so. I'd be pleasantly surprised especially as I imagine our funds are limited. Just not sure we really need five right sided CBs on our books when we only have one decent specialist right back and arguably nobody that can play the lone striker role as effectively as we'd like. I do worry that we might see a return to 3-5-2 with the number of CBs we now have in the squad. | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:55 - Sep 23 with 3579 views | tractorboy1978 |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 07:58 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
Indeed. Nobody is upset, it just looks an odd signing when we've got plenty of cover at CB on the whole. Lambert has spoken about players earning and keeping the shirt and so far Nsiala and Wilson have done well covering for injuries, it seems a bit odd to bring an extra body in. We know what happens when Lambert has too many squad options.
For me a striker that can actually play as a lone striker whilst offering a goal threat is more of an issue. Norwood offers a threat but has zero positional discipline and isn't much of a footballer. Hawkins can hold it up and link up play but won't get goals. |
Wilson and Nsiala have started well but if you'd asked 3 weeks ago the majority of fans on here wouldn't have wanted either of them starting for us as a team trying to play it out from the back.
I do agree though that another forward in the mould you suggest needs to be a priority. |  | | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:58 - Sep 23 with 3570 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:55 - Sep 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Wilson and Nsiala have started well but if you'd asked 3 weeks ago the majority of fans on here wouldn't have wanted either of them starting for us as a team trying to play it out from the back.
I do agree though that another forward in the mould you suggest needs to be a priority. |
They are only playing together because both Woolf and KVY are currently injured. Whilst that's not unusual for KVY, the Woolf has generally been pretty reliable fitness wise so this is an unusual situation to some extent. If Woolf is going to be out for months then this signing makes more sense, so will wait and see what comes out on that front. If he's back soon it does feel like we're over-padding the squad in some areas again whilst still having areas that need strengthening. | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 10:00 - Sep 23 with 3567 views | Beckets |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:55 - Sep 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Wilson and Nsiala have started well but if you'd asked 3 weeks ago the majority of fans on here wouldn't have wanted either of them starting for us as a team trying to play it out from the back.
I do agree though that another forward in the mould you suggest needs to be a priority. |
I think Lambert has decided to regard Chambers and KVY as his right back options leaving 4 centre backs to choose from. I imagine Donacien is being touted around for a season long loan to the end of his contract. |  | | |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 10:43 - Sep 23 with 3550 views | Wickets |
I think our defence was a huge problem last year . Early on when we were winning games a lot were worried regards the number of unpunished chances we were giving teams and that caught up with us last season .Pre season last year and this i have said that in an ideal world we should be looking to sign a quality centre back . Of course this has become almost impossible with the salary cap and so i am hoping this loan is the next best thing as he does not qualify for the Cap . If you go back and view the first team games this season you will notice that we have not been unable to deal with balls into the box and have again been very lucky not to concede on several occasions. I have a distinct feeling that PL does not really rate Toto or Wilson but has had to play them as we had nothing else . Just my opinion but if KVY can return any time soon PL is likely to view Chambers, Woolf and McGunness as his first choices for the two CB positions . If we could bring in another central striker that would be great but for me this loan was more important . [Post edited 23 Sep 2020 10:45]
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 10:45 - Sep 23 with 3545 views | hype313 |
Steve Bould rates him very highly, quite an endorsement from him, by all accounts they see him as a long term CB in the future there. |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:14 - Sep 23 with 3524 views | clive_baker |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 17:53 - Sep 22 by LeightonBuzzardBlue |
My first assumption was that this signing is to allow Chambo to stay out at RB and that KVY is out for longer than expected rather than it being Woolfy related
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That's what I thought. KVY's injury is maybe more long term than first expected, and therefore PL perhaps sees Chambers future at RB where as we know he's very experienced, at a higher level than this one. He's started the season excellently, I really like him there. I actually think KVY could come back in at left back where he's also played many times before, should Ward tire or suffer injuries. We've got a lot of versatility defensively.
With Woolfy currently injured and Ndaba likely to go out on a much needed loan, that only leaves us with Wilson and Nsiala centrally. They've both started well but I don't see Wilson as a longer term solution. McGuinness comes highly rated and certainly looks to be good on the ball, and a big physical presence. Pretty happy with the signing to be fair. Ultimately it'll be 2 from Woolfy, McGuinness and Nsiala centrally I would say, with Chambers viewed more as a RB. |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:21 - Sep 23 with 3510 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 17:37 - Sep 22 by StokieBlue |
He played CB against us two weeks ago.
He was good and strong but not sure why we have signed another CB - there must be more to it which I am sure will be announced soon.
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If you honestly think our central defensive options were adequate before this signing was made, then I’m not sure you and I have been watching the same team! Only Woolfenden is good enough. The rest are donkeys. |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:29 - Sep 23 with 3506 views | clive_baker |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 09:30 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
Defence wasn't our issue last season, defensively we were solidly top 6. We didn't create or score enough and that's not on the defence. We don't really know if McGuiness is an improvement, let's hope he is, but I'd question whether we can really play two kids at the heart of defence for a whole League 1 season given that I'm sure most of us want to see Woolfy in the team. It's just an odd signing. For me we're lacking someone who can lead the line and get goals and proper cover for KVY. Central defence looks less of a priority. |
I have a slightly different take. While the defence wasn't bad, I think our lack of a pair of natural, defensively minded full backs contributed enormously to our lack of creativity and goal threat. Once KVY got injured we largely opted to rely on Garbutt and Edwards as wing backs, neither of which were or are strong defensively. Frankly, I'm not convinced either posses the defensive attributed. Edwards is an out and out winger, and Garbutt is probably a wide midfielder, and even then he doesn't justify anything like the hype he received on here. That 3-5-2 that never worked for us, we desperately lacked width further forward and found ourselves narrow, pedestrian and congested centrally. In hindsight we would've been better off using Kenlock and Donacien more, or Chambers at right back, and sticking to the 4-4-2 we started the season with. If that meant leaving 1 or both of Garbutt and Edwards out, then fine. But they could've played wide in a 4-4-2 or the current 4-3-3. It felt for the most part like we chose the system to accommodate the personnel, rather than the other way around. | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:33 - Sep 23 with 3498 views | Wickets |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:21 - Sep 23 by ThatMuhrenCross |
If you honestly think our central defensive options were adequate before this signing was made, then I’m not sure you and I have been watching the same team! Only Woolfenden is good enough. The rest are donkeys. |
I would not have been quite so blunt but i get your point ! we have given away at least 5 clear cut headed chances in the 3 first team games , unchallenged headers in front of goal that where missed . Our luck would not continue. | | | |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:38 - Sep 23 with 3496 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:21 - Sep 23 by ThatMuhrenCross |
If you honestly think our central defensive options were adequate before this signing was made, then I’m not sure you and I have been watching the same team! Only Woolfenden is good enough. The rest are donkeys. |
Those donkeys haven't conceded a goal yet! | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:47 - Sep 23 with 3488 views | Wickets |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:38 - Sep 23 by BrixtonBlue |
Those donkeys haven't conceded a goal yet! |
Very true and everything is just a matter of opinions but Bristol and Wigan are not the strongest teams attack wise and both of them missed good chances thank goodness . | | | |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:48 - Sep 23 with 3488 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:33 - Sep 23 by Wickets |
I would not have been quite so blunt but i get your point ! we have given away at least 5 clear cut headed chances in the 3 first team games , unchallenged headers in front of goal that where missed . Our luck would not continue. |
All teams concede chances ffs. And the fact we're only really conceding chances from set plays suggests the defence is doing its job pretty well. Set play defending involves the whole team and if we're not marking well enough that needs to be addressed in training. It won't be addressed by signing a young CB with limited match experience. [Post edited 23 Sep 2020 11:53]
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:49 - Sep 23 with 3488 views | xrayspecs |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:33 - Sep 23 by Wickets |
I would not have been quite so blunt but i get your point ! we have given away at least 5 clear cut headed chances in the 3 first team games , unchallenged headers in front of goal that where missed . Our luck would not continue. |
Agree completely. | | | |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:01 - Sep 23 with 3476 views | Wickets |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:49 - Sep 23 by xrayspecs |
Agree completely. |
Some will winge about anything and everthing . A 6'4" centre back who was added to a Premier Leagues first team squad , say's he is happy to play on the left side none of our other CB's are, does not qualify to wards the salary cap . It's not rocket science he should be an improvement would Toto nor Wilson or Chambers get anywhere near Arsenals first team squad ? | | | |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:33 - Sep 23 with 3460 views | Metal_Hacker |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 11:48 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
All teams concede chances ffs. And the fact we're only really conceding chances from set plays suggests the defence is doing its job pretty well. Set play defending involves the whole team and if we're not marking well enough that needs to be addressed in training. It won't be addressed by signing a young CB with limited match experience. [Post edited 23 Sep 2020 11:53]
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I don't think that's a debate (I'll call it that rather than an argument) that could be won either way.
IMO "defending" is the entire team's responsibility when found in a defensive situation in a game but when "defending" a set piece for me whilst it's the team's job , primarily it's the players in defense to "own" the situation
Definition and opinion I guess without trying to add fuel to the fire |  |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:38 - Sep 23 with 3454 views | Herbivore |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:33 - Sep 23 by Metal_Hacker |
I don't think that's a debate (I'll call it that rather than an argument) that could be won either way.
IMO "defending" is the entire team's responsibility when found in a defensive situation in a game but when "defending" a set piece for me whilst it's the team's job , primarily it's the players in defense to "own" the situation
Definition and opinion I guess without trying to add fuel to the fire |
Disagree. Set piece defending is worked on in training and is something that is to a large extent the remit of the coaches. That's part of what they are doing when they give substitutes instructions when they come on, telling them who to mark or which area to pick up. We haven't got it right yet as that's where chances are coming from but it's churlish and inaccurate to pin that on our CBs when set piece defending usually involves 8 or 9 of our outfield players and is more about how we set up than about the specific personnel. In open play we've largely looked solid, albeit not against particularly sterling opposition. As I said, just seems an odd one to me as I don't see a need to use our limited funds on another CB when we already have four senior CBs plus Ndaba. If it turns out he's the next Baresi and he leads us to promotion I will be delighted, just seems a bit of a strange one to me. | |
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:48 - Sep 23 with 3442 views | Metal_Hacker |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:38 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
Disagree. Set piece defending is worked on in training and is something that is to a large extent the remit of the coaches. That's part of what they are doing when they give substitutes instructions when they come on, telling them who to mark or which area to pick up. We haven't got it right yet as that's where chances are coming from but it's churlish and inaccurate to pin that on our CBs when set piece defending usually involves 8 or 9 of our outfield players and is more about how we set up than about the specific personnel. In open play we've largely looked solid, albeit not against particularly sterling opposition. As I said, just seems an odd one to me as I don't see a need to use our limited funds on another CB when we already have four senior CBs plus Ndaba. If it turns out he's the next Baresi and he leads us to promotion I will be delighted, just seems a bit of a strange one to me. |
Listen I'm not one of those on here looking for an argument , just offering my opinion really
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| It seems he's actually a CB? on 12:51 - Sep 23 with 3438 views | J2BLUE |
| It seems he's actually a CB? on 10:45 - Sep 23 by hype313 |
Steve Bould rates him very highly, quite an endorsement from him, by all accounts they see him as a long term CB in the future there. |
I wondered if this might be a two year thing if we go up. You'd think the Championship would be his next step if he's half decent. |  |
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