| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? 19:27 - Sep 29 with 25215 views | hampstead_blue |
It seems the Gov can be slammed 24/7
People can be vile toward Tory MP's.
Who else? Norwich are fair game. That's a given.
However, when I dared to criticize a muslim the post was removed and a few people showed a dislike.
Why?
I guess I stepped on a 'woke' landmine.
It's sad when you can't offer-up genuine and polite criticism of a religion. Especially after that religion had screamed and screamed at a cricket club for celebrating a victory.
So, Essex CCC are allowed to be slammed by a person of religion but said person isn't allowed to be criticized?
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:52 - Sep 29 with 4689 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:44 - Sep 29 by lightuser |
99% of the muslims i've ever known drink. Men and women. But 99% of them won't touch pork and have a belief in god (although also 99% don't pray). Lol. Work that out.
In fact I'm sitting with a couple of "them" now having a few tinnies, bottles of wine and vodka cokes. Cheers peeps. |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:52 - Sep 29 with 4680 views | Chutney |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:21 - Sep 29 by jeera |
I keep saying this because it's true.
Chutney, whoever he was before, came onto the forum earlier this year, claiming to be a new poster and immediately leapt onto some 7 posters within his first week or so.
You, matt and a few others, then me. All the attention was unwarranted and it was just online bullying nonsense. He then played some line about being nice and managed a few normal threads, before then looking to stir the moment Callis left the board briefly in June.
This new poster has deliberately targeted certain others time and again. He clearly has nothing better to do than to be an arse.
Threads like NFL, horses, wrestling don't interest most of us and are a bit niche so the polite thing to do is to let those interested get on with it. Not him. His attention seeking is more important and he has to take an unneeded jibe. Absolute waste of space and should be removed asap.
Yesterday he pounced on you, despite having shown no previous interest in the thread, today it was the NFL thread, then turns his usual sh1t onto me. People like him are of no use to any forum.
I swear at him and people complain. Some people need to get their priorities right. [Post edited 29 Sep 2020 22:22]
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Haha the absolute state of this!
You need to get out more Sarge
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:02 - Sep 29 with 4653 views | N2_Blue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:44 - Sep 29 by lightuser |
99% of the muslims i've ever known drink. Men and women. But 99% of them won't touch pork and have a belief in god (although also 99% don't pray). Lol. Work that out.
In fact I'm sitting with a couple of "them" now having a few tinnies, bottles of wine and vodka cokes. Cheers peeps. |
sorry...I don't belive you. |  |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:25 - Sep 29 with 4614 views | BLUEGOLD |
Where do you start with this?
The current Tory government are incompetent liars, so deserve to be roundly castigated.
You can criticise anyone, but don’t do it in a racist way like you did.
That’s what racists do and why the thread was pulled.
If we had a labour government who behaved like this bunch, they would get hammered by all including me. The right wing press is not interested in calling them out. [Post edited 29 Sep 2020 23:57]
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:32 - Sep 29 with 4608 views | lowhouseblue |
i think i may have the answer here.
people don't always see things in the exact same way.
but that's not bad; it doesn't mean they're bad people.
we aren't compelled to condemn or judge our fellow posters. perversely, the quest for moral superiority corrupts all who take part.
we should celebrate diversity of thought and respect those with whom we disagree. truth is a shared endeavour and uninhibited debate should be our light.
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:35 - Sep 29 with 4584 views | Swansea_Blue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:44 - Sep 29 by lightuser |
99% of the muslims i've ever known drink. Men and women. But 99% of them won't touch pork and have a belief in god (although also 99% don't pray). Lol. Work that out.
In fact I'm sitting with a couple of "them" now having a few tinnies, bottles of wine and vodka cokes. Cheers peeps. |
Not sure what that's got to do with anything. I think all of the ones I've ever met didn't drink, based on working in several muslim countires. I think that's right, but can't be 100% sure. And that hasn't got anything to do with this either.
This is all a storm in a teacup - nothing for people to get worked up about. |  |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:50 - Sep 29 with 4553 views | Swansea_Blue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:32 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
i think i may have the answer here.
people don't always see things in the exact same way.
but that's not bad; it doesn't mean they're bad people.
we aren't compelled to condemn or judge our fellow posters. perversely, the quest for moral superiority corrupts all who take part.
we should celebrate diversity of thought and respect those with whom we disagree. truth is a shared endeavour and uninhibited debate should be our light.
does that help? |
Not really. Not when something crosses the line, as in this case which is why Phil pulled it. I wish people would get on and try to resolve differences rather than live life like they were constantly on social media, but if something is inappropriate it deserves to be criticised. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 00:00 - Sep 30 with 4535 views | BLUEGOLD |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:32 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
i think i may have the answer here.
people don't always see things in the exact same way.
but that's not bad; it doesn't mean they're bad people.
we aren't compelled to condemn or judge our fellow posters. perversely, the quest for moral superiority corrupts all who take part.
we should celebrate diversity of thought and respect those with whom we disagree. truth is a shared endeavour and uninhibited debate should be our light.
does that help? |
Not if you’re expressing racist views.
You can like the Tories or Formula 1 or stamp collecting and that’s fine, but just don’t express racist or homophobic or misogynist views.
If you do, expect to be called out for it | | | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 00:29 - Sep 30 with 4503 views | jeera |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 22:44 - Sep 29 by lightuser |
99% of the muslims i've ever known drink. Men and women. But 99% of them won't touch pork and have a belief in god (although also 99% don't pray). Lol. Work that out.
In fact I'm sitting with a couple of "them" now having a few tinnies, bottles of wine and vodka cokes. Cheers peeps. |
I'd say that's either a lie...or
you don't know any more than a couple of Muslims.
Or these are just some brown people you know and you assume they are Muslim.
The only other possibility is as already pointed out, these are people who call themselves Muslim but aren't practising. If you'd read my post you'd see I'd covered that. You can call yourself anything you like, including Christian, but it doesn't mean a thing if you don't follow any of it. [Post edited 30 Sep 2020 0:30]
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 07:12 - Sep 30 with 4435 views | 26_Paz |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 21:56 - Sep 29 by eireblue |
I think it fair to say both you and the OP disagree with the view that it is, for instance a minority group that can decide what is racist or abusive.
I think you like to use the term, context.
Unfortunately it is accepted that it is the abused group that gets to decide what is racist, not a majority or a group in power that get that.
That is why Jewish people get to decide what is anti-Semitic.
A person can choose to ignore the definition, but that would make that person a racist, in the sub-group labelled anti-Semite.
See, also homophobia and islamaphobia.
Yes you are correct, adopting such a position is polarising.
People can choose to be anti-racist or racist.
Many people don’t like being called racist or homophobic.
Good, there is an easy solution. |
I don’t think anyone ‘gets to decide’ I don’t think you can put words into an ‘offensive’ or ‘not offensive’ column. It all depends on who says then to whom and in what context. |  |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 07:21 - Sep 30 with 4432 views | solomon |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 20:14 - Sep 29 by PhilTWTD |
Can't see how generalising about an ethnic group in the manner you did could be seen as anything other than racist. |
We seem happy to let various posts on antisemitism and debates regarding it’s validity ride along pretty much unchecked for quite some time now, it wasn’t too long ago that someone was even allowed to have a doctored swastika as their avatar. Have rules by all means but let’s please ensure they are applied evenly. |  | | |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 08:50 - Sep 30 with 4384 views | BrixtonBlue |
What you basically mean is "if they come over here then they are fair game to throw beer on regardless of their religious beliefs. This is England, hurrah!"
And you see nothing wrong with that view, because you're ignorant, and intolerant, of difference.
Not sure why I'm telling you this, or others do similarly, because I suspect you're of an age where you're never going to change now. Never going to educate yourself. |  |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 08:53 - Sep 30 with 4381 views | BrixtonBlue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 07:21 - Sep 30 by solomon |
We seem happy to let various posts on antisemitism and debates regarding it’s validity ride along pretty much unchecked for quite some time now, it wasn’t too long ago that someone was even allowed to have a doctored swastika as their avatar. Have rules by all means but let’s please ensure they are applied evenly. |
Nonsense. Please post some links to posts saying antisemitism is valid which have gone unchecked by Phil. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:08 - Sep 30 with 4353 views | lowhouseblue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:50 - Sep 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Not really. Not when something crosses the line, as in this case which is why Phil pulled it. I wish people would get on and try to resolve differences rather than live life like they were constantly on social media, but if something is inappropriate it deserves to be criticised. |
but who gets to draw this line? and why's it a line rather than an area of uncertainty and discussion?
one of the real problems here is that we have a lot of posters who seem to really believe that politics is about right and wrong answers. that there are hard and fast lines.
most interesting questions are complex, uncertain, and involve practicalities and conflicting objectives. any sensible person should be able to balance competing views in their head and should be able to replicate the case put by their opponents and see points of merit in it. they should be able to see context and demonstrate empathy.
but we don't that on here. we have black and white lines, right and wrong, good and bad, intolerance dressed up as morality. gangs with tribal chants have replaced discussion. it's really very dull. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:17 - Sep 30 with 4333 views | LankHenners |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:08 - Sep 30 by lowhouseblue |
but who gets to draw this line? and why's it a line rather than an area of uncertainty and discussion?
one of the real problems here is that we have a lot of posters who seem to really believe that politics is about right and wrong answers. that there are hard and fast lines.
most interesting questions are complex, uncertain, and involve practicalities and conflicting objectives. any sensible person should be able to balance competing views in their head and should be able to replicate the case put by their opponents and see points of merit in it. they should be able to see context and demonstrate empathy.
but we don't that on here. we have black and white lines, right and wrong, good and bad, intolerance dressed up as morality. gangs with tribal chants have replaced discussion. it's really very dull. |
I appreciate lunging two-footed late into discussions when you have no idea what you’re talking about is kind of your ‘thing’ but even for you this is a low point. |  |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:18 - Sep 30 with 4329 views | Herbivore |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 19:41 - Sep 29 by hampstead_blue |
Disagree.
Well, I will try again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/54337950
Utterly wrong to be so arrogant and aggressive toward Essex CCC. That bloke should be embarrassed. Pouring beer over your head is a normal celebration in cricket. The chap ought to have not been on the balcony, he also looked like he was having a great time.
There. That is more polite.
Why should Essex CCC be forced into apologising? They did nothing wrong. He should be more tolerant and less demanding that everyone follows his own code. One big melting pot. |
You're a complete fecking moron. |  |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:30 - Sep 30 with 4299 views | Herbivore |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 23:32 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
i think i may have the answer here.
people don't always see things in the exact same way.
but that's not bad; it doesn't mean they're bad people.
we aren't compelled to condemn or judge our fellow posters. perversely, the quest for moral superiority corrupts all who take part.
we should celebrate diversity of thought and respect those with whom we disagree. truth is a shared endeavour and uninhibited debate should be our light.
does that help? |
The state of you these days. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:31 - Sep 30 with 4315 views | PhilTWTD |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 07:21 - Sep 30 by solomon |
We seem happy to let various posts on antisemitism and debates regarding it’s validity ride along pretty much unchecked for quite some time now, it wasn’t too long ago that someone was even allowed to have a doctored swastika as their avatar. Have rules by all means but let’s please ensure they are applied evenly. |
I think I've regularly removed posts in the numerous antisemitism debates on here. Certainly a post which was as obviously antisemitic as the post I removed earlier was anti-islamic would have been removed. Anything which generalised Jews - or any other ethnic group - in the manner that muslims were referred to would be removed, and has been in the past on the rare occasions anyone has posted anything along those lines.
I have had numerous and at times very lengthy discussions regarding what should and shouldn't stay on here regarding the antisemitism debates with Jewish posters or those with Jewish family connections, who, of course, don't all hold the same views on what should be allowed to remain as part of a debate or removed as unacceptable.
I've tried to allow debate while removing anything which crosses a line. But I admit it's not been an easy topic of discussion to monitor, from a number of angles.
No one would have been "allowed" an avatar with a doctored swastika (assuming the context in which it was used wasn't anti-Nazi), either I wasn't aware of it or if I was informed about it I would more than likely banned whoever was using it.
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:33 - Sep 30 with 4295 views | Herbivore |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 07:12 - Sep 30 by 26_Paz |
I don’t think anyone ‘gets to decide’ I don’t think you can put words into an ‘offensive’ or ‘not offensive’ column. It all depends on who says then to whom and in what context. |
If you publicly call gay men tank topped bumboys and Black people picanninies, what is the context that makes those public expressions not homophobic and racist? | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:34 - Sep 30 with 4286 views | Herbivore |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:08 - Sep 30 by lowhouseblue |
but who gets to draw this line? and why's it a line rather than an area of uncertainty and discussion?
one of the real problems here is that we have a lot of posters who seem to really believe that politics is about right and wrong answers. that there are hard and fast lines.
most interesting questions are complex, uncertain, and involve practicalities and conflicting objectives. any sensible person should be able to balance competing views in their head and should be able to replicate the case put by their opponents and see points of merit in it. they should be able to see context and demonstrate empathy.
but we don't that on here. we have black and white lines, right and wrong, good and bad, intolerance dressed up as morality. gangs with tribal chants have replaced discussion. it's really very dull. |
The irony. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:35 - Sep 30 with 4283 views | lowhouseblue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:30 - Sep 30 by Herbivore |
The state of you these days. |
says the poster whose previous reply was "You're a complete fecking moron. "
how wrong you have proven me to be. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:36 - Sep 30 with 4277 views | Herbivore |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:35 - Sep 30 by lowhouseblue |
says the poster whose previous reply was "You're a complete fecking moron. "
how wrong you have proven me to be. |
The absolute state of you. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:38 - Sep 30 with 4274 views | lowhouseblue |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:34 - Sep 30 by Herbivore |
The irony. |
or there's your other standard contribution to the board: "the tories are c*nts, and anyone who voted for them is a c*nt"
again, your standard of discussion sores to such heights as to prove me wrong. | |
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:39 - Sep 30 with 4276 views | Dubtractor |
Just saw this and made me think of this thread.....
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| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:42 - Sep 30 with 4263 views | Herbivore |
| In the modern age who are we allowed to critisize? on 09:38 - Sep 30 by lowhouseblue |
or there's your other standard contribution to the board: "the tories are c*nts, and anyone who voted for them is a c*nt"
again, your standard of discussion sores to such heights as to prove me wrong. |
*soars | |
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