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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 11:44 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
Johnson and all politicians clap the NHS because they have to. If they didn't then the country would implode.
The NHS is not the saviour it's made out to be. It's a money pit.
If you wanted to create a health system you wouldn't draw the NHS. It would look so different.
It's kept going by politicians because they have to. Not because it's the best thing ever.
When I point out the damage done by the left it's in direct repost to those here on the left who want us to live in their socialist world. It's as simple as that. It's not to defend the hard right, which I do not btw.
As for gun law, well I don't think we will ever get to the shocking place that the USA are in. Thank goodness for that!
We are so different to the USA for which I am grateful.
What would socialists do if they got into #10? Be tories. Blair and Brown did just that. They tinkered a bit, illegal war, nudged a bit, deregulated A LOT
Neither side have the perfect answer. The balance is pretty much a touch to the left of the Tory party. More Social Enterprises, better pay for public servants, less welfare, much lower taxes. |
I've been sat on Special Care Baby Unit with my son this morning. I took in a big tube of Heroes, as that's what they are, and then took a coffee order from all the staff on the unit and went to Costa and bought them all a drink.
It's the very least I can do.
The NHS is utterly fabulous. We are privileged and fortunate to have the NHS. |  |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:20 - Oct 6 with 2099 views | SpruceMoose |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:15 - Oct 6 by NewcyBlue |
I've been sat on Special Care Baby Unit with my son this morning. I took in a big tube of Heroes, as that's what they are, and then took a coffee order from all the staff on the unit and went to Costa and bought them all a drink.
It's the very least I can do.
The NHS is utterly fabulous. We are privileged and fortunate to have the NHS. |
Correct. Having to endure the US system for several years now has made me all the more appreciative of the NHS. $800 for a fifteen minute check up, leaving said appointment without so much as a paracetamol to show for it is a blatant scam.
Presumably whenever Hamstead has needed hospital care as a civvy he's gone private, seeing as he feels so strongly against the NHS. [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 14:21]
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:29 - Oct 6 with 2082 views | StokieBlue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 12:38 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
Higher taxes do not equal more revenue. |
You really need to take a step back and evaluate your posts, some crazy stuff flying about.
As for this one, you are clearly wrong. Some primary school maths should help you out:
10 * 3 = 30
10 * 4 = 40
So clearly a higher rate brings in more tax. What you are saying is that a higher rate means people put more effort into tax evasion which is illegal and as such you should be criticising those individuals rather than the increase in taxes.
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:34 - Oct 6 with 2072 views | SpruceMoose |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:29 - Oct 6 by StokieBlue |
You really need to take a step back and evaluate your posts, some crazy stuff flying about.
As for this one, you are clearly wrong. Some primary school maths should help you out:
10 * 3 = 30
10 * 4 = 40
So clearly a higher rate brings in more tax. What you are saying is that a higher rate means people put more effort into tax evasion which is illegal and as such you should be criticising those individuals rather than the increase in taxes.
SB [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 14:30]
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As a good friend of mine, formerly of this parish, always says, I'm not sure why Hamstead is hating on the public sector/big state so badly.
After all, the public sector trained him, paid him, housed him, rehabbed him.
All in all he's probably taken out more from the state than 99% of people ever will. | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:36 - Oct 6 with 2064 views | Kropotkin123 |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 11:44 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
Johnson and all politicians clap the NHS because they have to. If they didn't then the country would implode.
The NHS is not the saviour it's made out to be. It's a money pit.
If you wanted to create a health system you wouldn't draw the NHS. It would look so different.
It's kept going by politicians because they have to. Not because it's the best thing ever.
When I point out the damage done by the left it's in direct repost to those here on the left who want us to live in their socialist world. It's as simple as that. It's not to defend the hard right, which I do not btw.
As for gun law, well I don't think we will ever get to the shocking place that the USA are in. Thank goodness for that!
We are so different to the USA for which I am grateful.
What would socialists do if they got into #10? Be tories. Blair and Brown did just that. They tinkered a bit, illegal war, nudged a bit, deregulated A LOT
Neither side have the perfect answer. The balance is pretty much a touch to the left of the Tory party. More Social Enterprises, better pay for public servants, less welfare, much lower taxes. |
Pretty sure he clapped because they had potentially saved his life. But you could be correct, the right-wing don't appear to be the most grateful.
Whatever manifestation universal healthcare takes, the fact that it is healthcare and the fact that is universal is what makes it a socialist construct.
How would you envisage a universal healthcare system that is not a socialist construct? Give me an actual break down that isn't just a bunch of buzz words like "leaner" and "more cost effective", that is provably not a socialist construct.
People here don't defend the "hard-left" either, but you seem to make it your mission to include references to the hard left in every attempted rebuttal.
Blair and Brown introduced the national minimum wage, significantly reduced child poverty, introduced the human rights act into our legal system and devolved power. They aren't anti-business, because modern socialists aren't extreme, as many people repeatedly point out to you.
Just today we have Boris Johnson complaining about human rights. Presumably because the right-wing don't believe humans should have rights.
I agree, neither side has the perfect answer. But this isn't what anyone has argued. People are simply dismantling your negative dramatization of socialism and the extent to which you claim it is currently a threat. Up until this point, your opinion has had no basis in reality. |  |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:08 - Oct 6 with 2016 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:29 - Oct 6 by StokieBlue |
You really need to take a step back and evaluate your posts, some crazy stuff flying about.
As for this one, you are clearly wrong. Some primary school maths should help you out:
10 * 3 = 30
10 * 4 = 40
So clearly a higher rate brings in more tax. What you are saying is that a higher rate means people put more effort into tax evasion which is illegal and as such you should be criticising those individuals rather than the increase in taxes.
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I deliberately didn't mention the Laffer curve (which is what I assume Hamps was referring to) because then I'd have to regurgitate one of my 1st year uni essays on why it's basically a load of rubbish.... |  |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:09 - Oct 6 with 2013 views | Herbivore |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:08 - Oct 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
I deliberately didn't mention the Laffer curve (which is what I assume Hamps was referring to) because then I'd have to regurgitate one of my 1st year uni essays on why it's basically a load of rubbish.... |
Sounds like a right Laffer. |  |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:12 - Oct 6 with 2006 views | StokieBlue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:08 - Oct 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
I deliberately didn't mention the Laffer curve (which is what I assume Hamps was referring to) because then I'd have to regurgitate one of my 1st year uni essays on why it's basically a load of rubbish.... |
I think you may be giving him too much credit here...
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:28 - Oct 6 with 1990 views | hampstead_blue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:15 - Oct 6 by NewcyBlue |
I've been sat on Special Care Baby Unit with my son this morning. I took in a big tube of Heroes, as that's what they are, and then took a coffee order from all the staff on the unit and went to Costa and bought them all a drink.
It's the very least I can do.
The NHS is utterly fabulous. We are privileged and fortunate to have the NHS. |
Who said I was against the NHS? I certainly didn't.
One problem is that people here love to assume, read into stuff and see what's not there.
I wish your family all health and am sure you're in safe hands. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:30 - Oct 6 with 1981 views | Tonytown |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:28 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
Who said I was against the NHS? I certainly didn't.
One problem is that people here love to assume, read into stuff and see what's not there.
I wish your family all health and am sure you're in safe hands. |
The NHS is not the saviour it's made out to be. It's a money pit.
If you wanted to create a health system you wouldn't draw the NHS. It would look so different.
It's kept going by politicians because they have to. Not because it's the best thing ever.
Said you a little earlier |  | | |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:33 - Oct 6 with 1977 views | SpruceMoose |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:30 - Oct 6 by Tonytown |
The NHS is not the saviour it's made out to be. It's a money pit.
If you wanted to create a health system you wouldn't draw the NHS. It would look so different.
It's kept going by politicians because they have to. Not because it's the best thing ever.
Said you a little earlier |
Yes but that happened in the world the rest of us call 'reality'.
Hamster lives in his own warped universe where that never happened and everyone tells him that he is always correct. | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:36 - Oct 6 by Kropotkin123 |
Pretty sure he clapped because they had potentially saved his life. But you could be correct, the right-wing don't appear to be the most grateful.
Whatever manifestation universal healthcare takes, the fact that it is healthcare and the fact that is universal is what makes it a socialist construct.
How would you envisage a universal healthcare system that is not a socialist construct? Give me an actual break down that isn't just a bunch of buzz words like "leaner" and "more cost effective", that is provably not a socialist construct.
People here don't defend the "hard-left" either, but you seem to make it your mission to include references to the hard left in every attempted rebuttal.
Blair and Brown introduced the national minimum wage, significantly reduced child poverty, introduced the human rights act into our legal system and devolved power. They aren't anti-business, because modern socialists aren't extreme, as many people repeatedly point out to you.
Just today we have Boris Johnson complaining about human rights. Presumably because the right-wing don't believe humans should have rights.
I agree, neither side has the perfect answer. But this isn't what anyone has argued. People are simply dismantling your negative dramatization of socialism and the extent to which you claim it is currently a threat. Up until this point, your opinion has had no basis in reality. |
Yes, but Corbyn and all lefties, they kill babies don,t you know | | | |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:41 - Oct 6 with 1958 views | Herbivore |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:28 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
Who said I was against the NHS? I certainly didn't.
One problem is that people here love to assume, read into stuff and see what's not there.
I wish your family all health and am sure you're in safe hands. |
I think it might have been the bit where you called the NHS a money pit and said if you were designing a health service it would look nothing like the NHS and that politicians only support it because they have to. If you intended that as a pro-NHS message you're going to have to flesh your reasoning out a bit. | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:41 - Oct 6 with 1955 views | Half_Idiot |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:28 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
Who said I was against the NHS? I certainly didn't.
One problem is that people here love to assume, read into stuff and see what's not there.
I wish your family all health and am sure you're in safe hands. |
In response to another poster praising the NHS as a great socialist accomplishment, you responded "The NHS is not the saviour it's made out to be. It's a money pit.
If you wanted to create a health system you wouldn't draw the NHS. It would look so different.
It's kept going by politicians because they have to. Not because it's the best thing ever."
Surely you can see why people might arrive at the assumption that you are against the NHS?
But that aside, can you respond to my earlier question.
Is your belief is that the government should put revenue/profit over welfare of the people? |  | | |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:45 - Oct 6 with 1949 views | SpruceMoose |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:41 - Oct 6 by Half_Idiot |
In response to another poster praising the NHS as a great socialist accomplishment, you responded "The NHS is not the saviour it's made out to be. It's a money pit.
If you wanted to create a health system you wouldn't draw the NHS. It would look so different.
It's kept going by politicians because they have to. Not because it's the best thing ever."
Surely you can see why people might arrive at the assumption that you are against the NHS?
But that aside, can you respond to my earlier question.
Is your belief is that the government should put revenue/profit over welfare of the people? |
I'd like to hijack your post to add a further unanswered question if I may.
Hamster, why you always be hating on the public sector/big state so badly?
After all, the public sector trained you, paid you, housed you, rehabbed you.
In fact, think it is fair to say that all in all you've probably taken out more from the state than most people ever will. | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:46 - Oct 6 with 1946 views | hampstead_blue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 14:29 - Oct 6 by StokieBlue |
You really need to take a step back and evaluate your posts, some crazy stuff flying about.
As for this one, you are clearly wrong. Some primary school maths should help you out:
10 * 3 = 30
10 * 4 = 40
So clearly a higher rate brings in more tax. What you are saying is that a higher rate means people put more effort into tax evasion which is illegal and as such you should be criticising those individuals rather than the increase in taxes.
SB [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 14:30]
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How very patronizing. Have a piece of cake.
Any ideas yourself?
Here is a really interesting piece by the IFS.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14989
A couple of snippets below.
The UK government forgoes about £15 billion a year by setting lower tax rates on the incomes of the self-employed and company owner-managers than the incomes of employees.
Raising the additional rate of income tax (currently 45% for incomes over £150,000) by one percentage point is estimated to raise very little, though it might raise more or might lead to lower revenues, depending on how those affected respond. In general, the smaller the group that tax increases are targeted at, the harder it is to raise large amounts of additional revenue.
A couple of really interesting thoughts.
Oh, I'd not heard of the Laffer curve.
If I had a nailed on answer I'd be consulting with HMRC on a stonking daily rate. Unfortunately I don't so instead I work for a charity supporting veterans into meaningful employment. | |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:47 - Oct 6 with 1943 views | SpruceMoose |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:46 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
How very patronizing. Have a piece of cake.
Any ideas yourself?
Here is a really interesting piece by the IFS.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14989
A couple of snippets below.
The UK government forgoes about £15 billion a year by setting lower tax rates on the incomes of the self-employed and company owner-managers than the incomes of employees.
Raising the additional rate of income tax (currently 45% for incomes over £150,000) by one percentage point is estimated to raise very little, though it might raise more or might lead to lower revenues, depending on how those affected respond. In general, the smaller the group that tax increases are targeted at, the harder it is to raise large amounts of additional revenue.
A couple of really interesting thoughts.
Oh, I'd not heard of the Laffer curve.
If I had a nailed on answer I'd be consulting with HMRC on a stonking daily rate. Unfortunately I don't so instead I work for a charity supporting veterans into meaningful employment. |
So Stokie was right when he posted this then:
"What you are saying is that a higher rate means people put more effort into tax evasion which is illegal and as such you should be criticising those individuals rather than the increase in taxes." | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:48 - Oct 6 with 1942 views | BABLUE |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:45 - Oct 6 by SpruceMoose |
I'd like to hijack your post to add a further unanswered question if I may.
Hamster, why you always be hating on the public sector/big state so badly?
After all, the public sector trained you, paid you, housed you, rehabbed you.
In fact, think it is fair to say that all in all you've probably taken out more from the state than most people ever will. |
I think he must be a troll.
The alternative is that he is the love child of Katie Hopkins and Laurence Fox |  | | |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:57 - Oct 6 with 1926 views | StokieBlue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:46 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
How very patronizing. Have a piece of cake.
Any ideas yourself?
Here is a really interesting piece by the IFS.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14989
A couple of snippets below.
The UK government forgoes about £15 billion a year by setting lower tax rates on the incomes of the self-employed and company owner-managers than the incomes of employees.
Raising the additional rate of income tax (currently 45% for incomes over £150,000) by one percentage point is estimated to raise very little, though it might raise more or might lead to lower revenues, depending on how those affected respond. In general, the smaller the group that tax increases are targeted at, the harder it is to raise large amounts of additional revenue.
A couple of really interesting thoughts.
Oh, I'd not heard of the Laffer curve.
If I had a nailed on answer I'd be consulting with HMRC on a stonking daily rate. Unfortunately I don't so instead I work for a charity supporting veterans into meaningful employment. |
Thanks, I'll have a slice of Battenburg please.
So did you even read that report? The whole thing shows that more money is raised by increasing taxes, in fact even the paragraph you picked shows more money is taken in although at the higher rates it's less because people will evade it.
Why didn't you pick this paragraph which is from before the one you picked?
"For example, in the UK in a normal year, adding 1 percentage point to all income tax rates, all employee and self-employed National Insurance contribution (NICs) rates, or the rates of VAT, would raise £5.7 billion, £6.4 billion and £7.2 billion respectively. Doing all of these would raise over £19 billion, a little under 1% of GDP (£20 billion)."
So your link manages to prove both my points.
SB [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 16:58]
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:58 - Oct 6 with 1925 views | eireblue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:48 - Oct 6 by BABLUE |
I think he must be a troll.
The alternative is that he is the love child of Katie Hopkins and Laurence Fox |
He is a troll.
But the type that makes themselves look stupid, and everyone else, well informed and rational.
So, not a very good troll. He really must try harder. |  | | |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 17:04 - Oct 6 with 1911 views | BABLUE |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:58 - Oct 6 by eireblue |
He is a troll.
But the type that makes themselves look stupid, and everyone else, well informed and rational.
So, not a very good troll. He really must try harder. |
To be fair, he is pretty good at being a stupid racist knob though. | | | |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 17:17 - Oct 6 with 1897 views | monytowbray |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:46 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
How very patronizing. Have a piece of cake.
Any ideas yourself?
Here is a really interesting piece by the IFS.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14989
A couple of snippets below.
The UK government forgoes about £15 billion a year by setting lower tax rates on the incomes of the self-employed and company owner-managers than the incomes of employees.
Raising the additional rate of income tax (currently 45% for incomes over £150,000) by one percentage point is estimated to raise very little, though it might raise more or might lead to lower revenues, depending on how those affected respond. In general, the smaller the group that tax increases are targeted at, the harder it is to raise large amounts of additional revenue.
A couple of really interesting thoughts.
Oh, I'd not heard of the Laffer curve.
If I had a nailed on answer I'd be consulting with HMRC on a stonking daily rate. Unfortunately I don't so instead I work for a charity supporting veterans into meaningful employment. |
Some swerve on the other post by Tony... | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 17:39 - Oct 6 with 1873 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:46 - Oct 6 by hampstead_blue |
How very patronizing. Have a piece of cake.
Any ideas yourself?
Here is a really interesting piece by the IFS.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14989
A couple of snippets below.
The UK government forgoes about £15 billion a year by setting lower tax rates on the incomes of the self-employed and company owner-managers than the incomes of employees.
Raising the additional rate of income tax (currently 45% for incomes over £150,000) by one percentage point is estimated to raise very little, though it might raise more or might lead to lower revenues, depending on how those affected respond. In general, the smaller the group that tax increases are targeted at, the harder it is to raise large amounts of additional revenue.
A couple of really interesting thoughts.
Oh, I'd not heard of the Laffer curve.
If I had a nailed on answer I'd be consulting with HMRC on a stonking daily rate. Unfortunately I don't so instead I work for a charity supporting veterans into meaningful employment. |
If you'd not heard of the Laffer curve, then where did you get the idea that more taxation brings in less income?
It's not necessarily a logically plausible conclusion that one would intuit from basic progressive taxation principles.. | |
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| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 19:25 - Oct 6 with 1839 views | hampstead_blue |
| YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:57 - Oct 6 by StokieBlue |
Thanks, I'll have a slice of Battenburg please.
So did you even read that report? The whole thing shows that more money is raised by increasing taxes, in fact even the paragraph you picked shows more money is taken in although at the higher rates it's less because people will evade it.
Why didn't you pick this paragraph which is from before the one you picked?
"For example, in the UK in a normal year, adding 1 percentage point to all income tax rates, all employee and self-employed National Insurance contribution (NICs) rates, or the rates of VAT, would raise £5.7 billion, £6.4 billion and £7.2 billion respectively. Doing all of these would raise over £19 billion, a little under 1% of GDP (£20 billion)."
So your link manages to prove both my points.
SB [Post edited 6 Oct 2020 16:58]
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It's pretty balanced tbh.
Your example is very one dimensional and ignores the electorate which is why I did recoil somewhat.
It does give examples but these are simplistic in the sense that it avoids the fallout from the electorate.
My take on the report is that the big three are hard to raise as it broadening the base (new taxes).
There is no easy solution but I do think that there must be a way of simplifying tax. I'm currently working my way through "Daylight Robbery, how tax shaped our past and will change our future" by Dominic Frisby.
Really interesting historical section. Just about to get into 'now and the future'.
I'd recommend it.
Oh, the curve thingy someone mentioned. I'd never heard of it or if I had then it was very long forgotten. I do remember talking to economists about this at Cass when I was doing my MSc there. | |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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