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YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 10:55 - Oct 4 by hampstead_blue
There is an obvious error here.
The far left have always been of great interest to the Security Service.
It's well documented that the left have continuously tried to undermine British democracy by developing relationships with socialist/communist/terror groups.
I'd envisage vegans and the others are included because of their probable links/infiltration by/to the hard left. Not sure but am summising there.
This isn't news btw it is always been.
Threats to the national security are taken seriously. Thank-goodness!
In the 80's Mi5 agents concluded CND as an example were actually a fairly well balanced organisation politically
This didn't stop Tories claiming it was basically run from the Kremlin
I'd hazard a guess that considerably more resources are pumped into Far-Right terrorism than there is with the Far-Left
Isis themselves have a Far-Right ideology for starters
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 18:36 - Oct 4 by hampstead_blue
Good post and thank-you.
Proof? I'd suggest that the Security Service is setting new teams to deal with more threats from the left is proof enough. That is a sign of clear and present danger.
The links I posted where hurridley compiled but given time I could bring them up to date.
A very good book is Gordon Carrera's "Russians Among Us" which offers great detail on how the Russians play the long game in these matters and as such pose a threat today through hard left infiltration which is both real and serious. The other book is GCHQ; A Century Edition. Again it talks of repeated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt, but also of operations, against targets on the left.
Naturally there is a limit to what they can publish but reading between the lines I'd suggest there is a very healthy amount of trouble coming from the left.
But don't forget that the left has never gone away in it's threat to our modern democratic society. It just changes with the times.
The current Government, well I wanted Hunt over Boris 8 days in every week. I'm not a fan of BJ and can't wait for him to go. I've never stood 4square behind him and won't. I support the Tories, of course, but do not approve of this leadership. I'm on record saying that on many occasions - roundly ignored by the trolls.
All this Russia and the left nonsense...
It's not the Cold War. Times have changed.
Russia colluded with Donald Trump and the far right to get Trump elected. They tried to impeach Trump over it and he used various illicit behaviour to hide evidence.
Wake up!
EDIT: Just seen the other posts saying the same thing in different ways. That will teach me for starting a post and getting distracted by my dog
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YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 18:36 - Oct 4 by hampstead_blue
Good post and thank-you.
Proof? I'd suggest that the Security Service is setting new teams to deal with more threats from the left is proof enough. That is a sign of clear and present danger.
The links I posted where hurridley compiled but given time I could bring them up to date.
A very good book is Gordon Carrera's "Russians Among Us" which offers great detail on how the Russians play the long game in these matters and as such pose a threat today through hard left infiltration which is both real and serious. The other book is GCHQ; A Century Edition. Again it talks of repeated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt, but also of operations, against targets on the left.
Naturally there is a limit to what they can publish but reading between the lines I'd suggest there is a very healthy amount of trouble coming from the left.
But don't forget that the left has never gone away in it's threat to our modern democratic society. It just changes with the times.
The current Government, well I wanted Hunt over Boris 8 days in every week. I'm not a fan of BJ and can't wait for him to go. I've never stood 4square behind him and won't. I support the Tories, of course, but do not approve of this leadership. I'm on record saying that on many occasions - roundly ignored by the trolls.
I shall await your updated "proof".
Whilst researching perhaps you could also delve into:
Russian donations to Johnson's election campaign; Johnson's links to Sergei Nalobin and other members of the Russian security services; Russian interference in our recent general election; Russian interference in the Brexit referendum; Russian links to the Brexit campaign and Nigel Farage; Russian links to Trump and the last American election; how private finance donations are linked to party extremism; why the security services have withheld sensitive information from Cummings, despite him having the highest security clearance.
You know? Just for balance.
And one more plea. Take a moment to consider that the person who, as Home Secretary, can direct our security services has already considered options of "dealing with" immigrants to our country that include a naval blockade and a "wave machine" and whether that displays sound judgement and trustworthiness.
And sorry one last thing. Isn't Carrera's book about Putin's "spies" and, as others have pointed out, isn't the concern these days (rather than when Smiley was still working) that they seek to target and influence "the right"?
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 21:48 - Oct 4 by You_Bloo_Right
I shall await your updated "proof".
Whilst researching perhaps you could also delve into:
Russian donations to Johnson's election campaign; Johnson's links to Sergei Nalobin and other members of the Russian security services; Russian interference in our recent general election; Russian interference in the Brexit referendum; Russian links to the Brexit campaign and Nigel Farage; Russian links to Trump and the last American election; how private finance donations are linked to party extremism; why the security services have withheld sensitive information from Cummings, despite him having the highest security clearance.
You know? Just for balance.
And one more plea. Take a moment to consider that the person who, as Home Secretary, can direct our security services has already considered options of "dealing with" immigrants to our country that include a naval blockade and a "wave machine" and whether that displays sound judgement and trustworthiness.
And sorry one last thing. Isn't Carrera's book about Putin's "spies" and, as others have pointed out, isn't the concern these days (rather than when Smiley was still working) that they seek to target and influence "the right"?
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 18:36 - Oct 4 by hampstead_blue
Good post and thank-you.
Proof? I'd suggest that the Security Service is setting new teams to deal with more threats from the left is proof enough. That is a sign of clear and present danger.
The links I posted where hurridley compiled but given time I could bring them up to date.
A very good book is Gordon Carrera's "Russians Among Us" which offers great detail on how the Russians play the long game in these matters and as such pose a threat today through hard left infiltration which is both real and serious. The other book is GCHQ; A Century Edition. Again it talks of repeated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt, but also of operations, against targets on the left.
Naturally there is a limit to what they can publish but reading between the lines I'd suggest there is a very healthy amount of trouble coming from the left.
But don't forget that the left has never gone away in it's threat to our modern democratic society. It just changes with the times.
The current Government, well I wanted Hunt over Boris 8 days in every week. I'm not a fan of BJ and can't wait for him to go. I've never stood 4square behind him and won't. I support the Tories, of course, but do not approve of this leadership. I'm on record saying that on many occasions - roundly ignored by the trolls.
Others have done the Russian links and why it's not us v the Communists in a cold war any more, so I won't go there.
I've no idea where you get these ideas about this big growing threat from left wing anarchists/terrorists, other than inaccurate headlines. Example of two such articles here where the headline claims aren't backed up by the content, which simply says that the threat being considered from the far left is largely speculative and actually all the current problems are with Islamists and the far right. (Quite right they should be considering threats from anywhere).
Mao? What the heck has he got to do with the UK? When was the last time we had a vaguely authoritarian government on the left, let alone a vicious dictator? Hell of a jump to go from social policies such as introducing the National Minimum Wage, devolving powers out to the regions, and introducing statutory paternity leave to making us all work naked in the fields in the middle of winter.
You're coming across as seriously paranoid in this one. Raving bonkers as well.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:07 - Oct 5 by Swansea_Blue
Others have done the Russian links and why it's not us v the Communists in a cold war any more, so I won't go there.
I've no idea where you get these ideas about this big growing threat from left wing anarchists/terrorists, other than inaccurate headlines. Example of two such articles here where the headline claims aren't backed up by the content, which simply says that the threat being considered from the far left is largely speculative and actually all the current problems are with Islamists and the far right. (Quite right they should be considering threats from anywhere).
Mao? What the heck has he got to do with the UK? When was the last time we had a vaguely authoritarian government on the left, let alone a vicious dictator? Hell of a jump to go from social policies such as introducing the National Minimum Wage, devolving powers out to the regions, and introducing statutory paternity leave to making us all work naked in the fields in the middle of winter.
You're coming across as seriously paranoid in this one. Raving bonkers as well.
Nothing I've said nor summised is radical at all.
If you read the post with a clean pair of eyes you'll see that both books I've offered are from experts. I've read them. They both give superb examples of the the left work to undermine our country.
Also my summation that the fact that the Security Service themselves are bolstering their work tells us all there is a threat. Is that not enough?
Not my own thoughts but merely offering other's books and facts.
Mao. Now that was used as the extreme example of how far the implication of the left's theories work. They believe in group identity. If you don't fit into that then in extreme circumstances, Mao, the harshest of penalties are levied.
BLM have a left wing core. Whilst they have removed the text from the website and other 'just giving' pages it doesn't tell us it has disappeared. It's still there. Same with XR.
These are observations of our times and facts.
I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm simply pointing out things are as they are.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:35 - Oct 5 by hampstead_blue
Nothing I've said nor summised is radical at all.
If you read the post with a clean pair of eyes you'll see that both books I've offered are from experts. I've read them. They both give superb examples of the the left work to undermine our country.
Also my summation that the fact that the Security Service themselves are bolstering their work tells us all there is a threat. Is that not enough?
Not my own thoughts but merely offering other's books and facts.
Mao. Now that was used as the extreme example of how far the implication of the left's theories work. They believe in group identity. If you don't fit into that then in extreme circumstances, Mao, the harshest of penalties are levied.
BLM have a left wing core. Whilst they have removed the text from the website and other 'just giving' pages it doesn't tell us it has disappeared. It's still there. Same with XR.
These are observations of our times and facts.
I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm simply pointing out things are as they are.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:35 - Oct 5 by hampstead_blue
Nothing I've said nor summised is radical at all.
If you read the post with a clean pair of eyes you'll see that both books I've offered are from experts. I've read them. They both give superb examples of the the left work to undermine our country.
Also my summation that the fact that the Security Service themselves are bolstering their work tells us all there is a threat. Is that not enough?
Not my own thoughts but merely offering other's books and facts.
Mao. Now that was used as the extreme example of how far the implication of the left's theories work. They believe in group identity. If you don't fit into that then in extreme circumstances, Mao, the harshest of penalties are levied.
BLM have a left wing core. Whilst they have removed the text from the website and other 'just giving' pages it doesn't tell us it has disappeared. It's still there. Same with XR.
These are observations of our times and facts.
I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm simply pointing out things are as they are.
You are Laurence Fox and I claim £5
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YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:52 - Oct 5 with 1803 views
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:35 - Oct 5 by hampstead_blue
Nothing I've said nor summised is radical at all.
If you read the post with a clean pair of eyes you'll see that both books I've offered are from experts. I've read them. They both give superb examples of the the left work to undermine our country.
Also my summation that the fact that the Security Service themselves are bolstering their work tells us all there is a threat. Is that not enough?
Not my own thoughts but merely offering other's books and facts.
Mao. Now that was used as the extreme example of how far the implication of the left's theories work. They believe in group identity. If you don't fit into that then in extreme circumstances, Mao, the harshest of penalties are levied.
BLM have a left wing core. Whilst they have removed the text from the website and other 'just giving' pages it doesn't tell us it has disappeared. It's still there. Same with XR.
These are observations of our times and facts.
I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm simply pointing out things are as they are.
I'm not doubting what's in the books. We know that Putin influences western politics. We also know who's exploiting the Russian propaganda to gain power, who is being bankrolled by Russian donors, who is refusing to clamp down on Russian money laundering, who's been delaying and trying to bury investigations into Russian meddling, and who is giving peerages to those with links to the Russian state.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:53 - Oct 5 by Swansea_Blue
I'm not doubting what's in the books. We know that Putin influences western politics. We also know who's exploiting the Russian propaganda to gain power, who is being bankrolled by Russian donors, who is refusing to clamp down on Russian money laundering, who's been delaying and trying to bury investigations into Russian meddling, and who is giving peerages to those with links to the Russian state.
And it's ain't 'the lefties'.
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That's a fair point. I was sticking with the OP.
Don't give Putin too much credit. Russia are a small economy which is in a bad way. They are pretty weak right now which is possibly why Putin is trying to kill as many of his enemies as he can.
He has to be seen to be the bad guy. Tough bloke. He will take any link, make any link, he can to give him a bigger image than is real.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:35 - Oct 5 by hampstead_blue
Nothing I've said nor summised is radical at all.
If you read the post with a clean pair of eyes you'll see that both books I've offered are from experts. I've read them. They both give superb examples of the the left work to undermine our country.
Also my summation that the fact that the Security Service themselves are bolstering their work tells us all there is a threat. Is that not enough?
Not my own thoughts but merely offering other's books and facts.
Mao. Now that was used as the extreme example of how far the implication of the left's theories work. They believe in group identity. If you don't fit into that then in extreme circumstances, Mao, the harshest of penalties are levied.
BLM have a left wing core. Whilst they have removed the text from the website and other 'just giving' pages it doesn't tell us it has disappeared. It's still there. Same with XR.
These are observations of our times and facts.
I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm simply pointing out things are as they are.
Read beyond the headlines!
"Whitehall sources emphasised that the left-wing anarchist threat was a “tiny fraction” of cases compared with Islamist and far-right extremism. The number of cases is expected to be in single digits each year."
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YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 21:12 - Oct 5 with 1734 views
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:35 - Oct 5 by hampstead_blue
Nothing I've said nor summised is radical at all.
If you read the post with a clean pair of eyes you'll see that both books I've offered are from experts. I've read them. They both give superb examples of the the left work to undermine our country.
Also my summation that the fact that the Security Service themselves are bolstering their work tells us all there is a threat. Is that not enough?
Not my own thoughts but merely offering other's books and facts.
Mao. Now that was used as the extreme example of how far the implication of the left's theories work. They believe in group identity. If you don't fit into that then in extreme circumstances, Mao, the harshest of penalties are levied.
BLM have a left wing core. Whilst they have removed the text from the website and other 'just giving' pages it doesn't tell us it has disappeared. It's still there. Same with XR.
These are observations of our times and facts.
I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm simply pointing out things are as they are.
I think the two books, wide ranging histories of intelligence operations spanning almost a century, have been covered haven't they? And the issue that you have chosen to focus on a quite narrow and now somewhat dated period of that history has also been pointed out many times.
So it just leaves us with an analysis of your own text.
This seems to imply that something is being missed (if we could only see with a "clean pair of eyes") or is being deliberately ignored. It also continues to conflate a broad range of political opinion into "the left" and then brands that amorphous group (which I think includes myself) enemies of the state. Much like those people you claim to have called you a Nazi because you are on the right of British politics I assume?
You are not offering your own thoughts, you say, but that is precisely what you are doing. You take the history of the cold war period and plaster the then practices of the intelligence community of a foreign power onto any organisation you consider to be left leaning.
In my own opinion (and let's face it whilst others may have we two have not been dealing in facts during this conversation, mostly opinions) your observations are not "of our times" at all - they are firmly rooted in a past that has little relevance to today despite the echoes that may persist. Nor are you "pointing out things as they are". This is your, I'm afraid somewhat myopic, worldview.
I will agree completely with one of your statements however. Nothing you have said is radical; reactionary perhaps but not radical.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 16:49 - Oct 5 by Herbivore
You're absolutely bonkers.
BLM have a left wing core because the right wing were too preoccupied giving Nazi salutes at memorials for those who fell fighting to save our nation from the Nazis.
XR have a left wing core because big business have for too long put the maximisation of their profits before the environment.
If the right-wing actually went down a real one-nation conservative government route then we'd have something similar to Blair's government, and possibly a conservative base that wasn't too timid to actually confront real issues our time.
EDIT: Hit reply on the wrong post, lol
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YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 23:27 - Oct 5 by Kropotkin123
BLM have a left wing core because the right wing were too preoccupied giving Nazi salutes at memorials for those who fell fighting to save our nation from the Nazis.
XR have a left wing core because big business have for too long put the maximisation of their profits before the environment.
If the right-wing actually went down a real one-nation conservative government route then we'd have something similar to Blair's government, and possibly a conservative base that wasn't too timid to actually confront real issues our time.
EDIT: Hit reply on the wrong post, lol
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It's been a long time since I've seen any kind of positive right wing vision for the future of the country. It all seems to just be all based on lies, grievances, victimhood, othering and division.
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 11:28 - Oct 4 by hampstead_blue
Open my eyes?
Sir, let me open yours.
"State retribution for tiny thefts, such as stealing a potato, even by a child, would include being tied up and thrown into a pond; parents were forced to bury their children alive or were doused in excrement and urine, others were set alight, or had a nose or ear cut off. One record shows how a man was branded with hot metal. People were forced to work naked in the middle of winter; 80 per cent of all the villagers in one region of a quarter of a million Chinese were banned from the official canteen because they were too old or ill to be effective workers, so were deliberately starved to death."
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 23:31 - Oct 5 by SpruceMoose
It's been a long time since I've seen any kind of positive right wing vision for the future of the country. It all seems to just be all based on lies, grievances, victimhood, othering and division.
The right doesn't really do positive visions for the future, it does maintaining the status quo through creating fear of change and turning people against each other.
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 08:32 - Oct 6 by Herbivore
The right doesn't really do positive visions for the future, it does maintaining the status quo through creating fear of change and turning people against each other.
The right wing tends to be the 'politics of blame'
Tell the people what's wrong (even if it isnt), tell them who's fault it is (even if it isnt) and tell them you can solve all their problems by attacking the people who's fault it is (even tho you cant)
and hey presto you have a platform, you attract a core of supporters and of you go
Best summed up by Michael Douglas in the American President. Substitute Farage for Bob Rumsden and it sums up the UK over the past 10 years
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 17:03 - Oct 5 by Half_Idiot
Read beyond the headlines!
"Whitehall sources emphasised that the left-wing anarchist threat was a “tiny fraction” of cases compared with Islamist and far-right extremism. The number of cases is expected to be in single digits each year."
Yea, but that single digit could be a Vegan, and we are superhuman. That is why Hampy is so fearful.
Just think of all the super powerful teenagers that hang around in town centres, with a table covered in leaflets with pictures of animal cruelty. Whole towns have been taken over and turned into vegan radical anarchist enclaves, such is their power.
It may be towns now, but soon places like Reading could be taken ( well, if there are enough lefty teenage vegans to set up a table at all entrances to the Oracle)
Hampy is correct be very very afraid of a tofu fuelled vegan, when we we get going, him and his military friends with their guns and shooting.....
hang on, just seen a squirrel doing something cute in the garden. Sorry, need to pop out and get some more nuts and seeds.
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YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 10:01 - Oct 6 with 1594 views
YOU’RE A TERRORIST HARRY... on 08:32 - Oct 6 by Herbivore
The right doesn't really do positive visions for the future, it does maintaining the status quo through creating fear of change and turning people against each other.
You've just described socialism and identity politics.
In your marxist world we would all have to conform or face the consequences. It's the same with fundamental religions. Conform or face the consequences.
Under the Tory party, and moderate right wing politics, you get to choose. You get freedoms. You don't get the big hand of government/religious thing controlling your every move.
You can think!
Maybe that's why there are so few socialist/marxist countries left. You've had a chance, murdered millions, now you ought to stick to fringe events and tofu bothering.
;-)
Oh, the positive vision from the right? It's freedom and the chance to live the life you want.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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