| Don't know if it's been mentioned already 00:15 - Dec 16 with 3942 views | Garv |
But can we just appreciate how good McGuinness was tonight please?
He has a bizarre ability to be able to kick the ball if he misses a header and head the ball if he misses a kick. Some outrageous touches and turns in the middle of the park too. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:17 - Dec 16 with 2993 views | BlueBadger |
He needs that, on account of the amount of headers and kicks he misses. If he was any good he a) wouldn't need that and b) wouldn't be on loan to us. [Post edited 16 Dec 2020 10:08]
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:18 - Dec 16 with 2984 views | MrTown |
He was ok, didn’t think he set the world a light. His aerial ability is outstanding, but makes basic mistakes, too be expected at such a tender age.
Have no doubt he’ll develop into a really good CB. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:26 - Dec 16 with 2956 views | Garv |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:18 - Dec 16 by MrTown |
He was ok, didn’t think he set the world a light. His aerial ability is outstanding, but makes basic mistakes, too be expected at such a tender age.
Have no doubt he’ll develop into a really good CB. |
Fair comment. You can't really ignore his attempt to win the ball for their golden chance at the end, which was bad, but he'd done the same thing numerous times before and won the ball convincingly.
He's very wholehearted when it comes to winning the ball, looks a more talented version of Pennington albeit playing in a different league. I thought he was a great watch tonight to be honest. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:31 - Dec 16 with 2946 views | Illinoisblue |
First game for us without making a costly mistake. Arsenal will be happy with his progress |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:33 - Dec 16 with 2931 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:31 - Dec 16 by Illinoisblue |
First game for us without making a costly mistake. Arsenal will be happy with his progress |
Plus, I bet they're well pleased with the amount of quality coaching our manager is giving him. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 01:14 - Dec 16 with 2884 views | MrTown |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:26 - Dec 16 by Garv |
Fair comment. You can't really ignore his attempt to win the ball for their golden chance at the end, which was bad, but he'd done the same thing numerous times before and won the ball convincingly.
He's very wholehearted when it comes to winning the ball, looks a more talented version of Pennington albeit playing in a different league. I thought he was a great watch tonight to be honest. |
Does a lot of good things, no doubt about it, and could be a real good player.
It is easy to forget he’s still only 19, and this is his first taste of senior football, and you can’t get away from how important it is for a player (look at Woolfenden to Swindon move).
He’s quick, strong, confident, commanding, lots and lots of good qualities, but almost needs to mature a little with his decision making at times, almost a bit too eager sometimes.
As you say prime example at the end, too eager to win the ball making it very easy for the Burton player to skip round him.
And for their goal, Lambert is right, he’s bringing the ball out and hitting a really tough diagonal that gets intercepted, leaving Chambers out of position, and the midfield exposed to the counter. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 01:29 - Dec 16 with 2874 views | Illinoisblue |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:33 - Dec 16 by BlueBadger |
Plus, I bet they're well pleased with the amount of quality coaching our manager is giving him. |
Looking at the state of Arsenal probably not a lot different | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 04:17 - Dec 16 with 2805 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:31 - Dec 16 by Illinoisblue |
First game for us without making a costly mistake. Arsenal will be happy with his progress |
Did you miss his crossfield ball that left Chambers out of position and led to their goal? |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:25 - Dec 16 with 2685 views | 26_Paz |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 04:17 - Dec 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Did you miss his crossfield ball that left Chambers out of position and led to their goal? |
Good point. He looked exceptional 90% of the time ... has a mistake in him though, iron those out and as others have said he’ll be a really good player. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:40 - Dec 16 with 2650 views | itfcpaul |
Woolfy was abysmal and needs some experience beside him to look good |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:41 - Dec 16 with 2649 views | Chrisd |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:25 - Dec 16 by 26_Paz |
Good point. He looked exceptional 90% of the time ... has a mistake in him though, iron those out and as others have said he’ll be a really good player. |
All young players make mistakes it's how they learn, expecting them not to make a mistake after a handful of first team games is a huge ask. Lets be fair, we have enough experienced players that continually make mistakes. If McGuiness was playing alongside a Mowbray or De Vos at CB, players that would actually manage him through games you'd see a huge difference, he's having to learn on the job, mainly on his own. [Post edited 16 Dec 2020 7:43]
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:52 - Dec 16 with 2615 views | 26_Paz |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:41 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
All young players make mistakes it's how they learn, expecting them not to make a mistake after a handful of first team games is a huge ask. Lets be fair, we have enough experienced players that continually make mistakes. If McGuiness was playing alongside a Mowbray or De Vos at CB, players that would actually manage him through games you'd see a huge difference, he's having to learn on the job, mainly on his own. [Post edited 16 Dec 2020 7:43]
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I don’t disagree with that at all. He has huge potential. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:06 - Dec 16 with 2578 views | ArnieM |
He’s going to be a very, very good central defender. He’ll be waaaay above our station that’s for sure. We will one day not too far 8n the future be saying.....” he played for us”.
Sadly the moaning , nit picking and negativity amongst Town fans has become endemic and we are now largely unable to see ANY good in anything associated with this Club. Sad times.
McGunness.... you’re a future star. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:13 - Dec 16 with 2556 views | homer_123 |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:31 - Dec 16 by Illinoisblue |
First game for us without making a costly mistake. Arsenal will be happy with his progress |
Got away with the header he missed where their right winger turned him and delivered into the box for Akins to miss from 6 yards.
However, a much improved performance from him. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:15 - Dec 16 with 2548 views | Garv |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 04:17 - Dec 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Did you miss his crossfield ball that left Chambers out of position and led to their goal? |
I'm not having McGuinness to blame for that, not every diagonal will come off. The ball was short, granted, but Chambers was so much higher than he needed to be. It was clear almost immediately the ball was poor, Chambers should have been aware of what was behind him. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:29 - Dec 16 with 2470 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 00:31 - Dec 16 by Illinoisblue |
First game for us without making a costly mistake. Arsenal will be happy with his progress |
He did kick the ball straight to their player to set them up for the counter attack they scored from. It left us badly exposed at the back. |  |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:31 - Dec 16 with 2466 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 07:41 - Dec 16 by Chrisd |
All young players make mistakes it's how they learn, expecting them not to make a mistake after a handful of first team games is a huge ask. Lets be fair, we have enough experienced players that continually make mistakes. If McGuiness was playing alongside a Mowbray or De Vos at CB, players that would actually manage him through games you'd see a huge difference, he's having to learn on the job, mainly on his own. [Post edited 16 Dec 2020 7:43]
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I don't know how often I have to repeat this. There is no benefit at all to us of him spending a season here learning from mistakes that are costing us goals most weeks. He's not our player. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:41 - Dec 16 with 2437 views | Simonds92 |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:15 - Dec 16 by Garv |
I'm not having McGuinness to blame for that, not every diagonal will come off. The ball was short, granted, but Chambers was so much higher than he needed to be. It was clear almost immediately the ball was poor, Chambers should have been aware of what was behind him. |
He should be aware of the positions of his team mates before trying to hit that pass shouldn't he? Especially as a cb with everything in front of him, it was a horrific attempt at a diagonal and directly lead to the goal. He is ok at this level certainly but he's got a touch of the Penningtons about him, he has to throw himself at things because he's misjudged it and is out of position. He is young and may well go on to be a very good cb through the experience he gains and learning about his position. I would however only have 1 of him or Wolfenden paired with a more experienced defender. | | | |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:43 - Dec 16 with 2427 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:15 - Dec 16 by Garv |
I'm not having McGuinness to blame for that, not every diagonal will come off. The ball was short, granted, but Chambers was so much higher than he needed to be. It was clear almost immediately the ball was poor, Chambers should have been aware of what was behind him. |
McGuiness was clearly to blame for that. It was a really poor pass that was virtually square and hugely underhit and it left us completely exposed to the counter attack. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:43 - Dec 16 with 2425 views | MonkeyAlan |
Against the bottom team in league 3 ? He ought to be if he wants to be any good. I see players his age playing week in week out in the Premier League. |  | | |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:49 - Dec 16 with 2390 views | SaleAway |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:15 - Dec 16 by Garv |
I'm not having McGuinness to blame for that, not every diagonal will come off. The ball was short, granted, but Chambers was so much higher than he needed to be. It was clear almost immediately the ball was poor, Chambers should have been aware of what was behind him. |
If I'm blaming anyone for that goal, I'm blaming Jackson for a dreadful attempt at "ending" the counter attack. We don't do sh*thousery as a rule, but he had a perfect opportunity to challenge. he should have gone for man and ball, and at least got the man, but bottled it, and was shrugged off. Burton player should have been flattened. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 09:01 - Dec 16 with 2362 views | Herbivore |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:06 - Dec 16 by ArnieM |
He’s going to be a very, very good central defender. He’ll be waaaay above our station that’s for sure. We will one day not too far 8n the future be saying.....” he played for us”.
Sadly the moaning , nit picking and negativity amongst Town fans has become endemic and we are now largely unable to see ANY good in anything associated with this Club. Sad times.
McGunness.... you’re a future star. |
Whether he goes on to be a top player or not isn't really my concern. My concern is whether he is an asset to us for the season he's here. On what I've seen he makes too many big errors that lead to goals and I don't think him and Woolfie, at a combined age of 40, really works as a CB pairing. My priority would be Woolfie's development over McGuiness's so I'm hoping we reintroduce some experience to the CB pairing soon. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 09:09 - Dec 16 with 2330 views | Chrisd |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 09:01 - Dec 16 by Herbivore |
Whether he goes on to be a top player or not isn't really my concern. My concern is whether he is an asset to us for the season he's here. On what I've seen he makes too many big errors that lead to goals and I don't think him and Woolfie, at a combined age of 40, really works as a CB pairing. My priority would be Woolfie's development over McGuiness's so I'm hoping we reintroduce some experience to the CB pairing soon. |
I’d have a closer look at the more experienced players in our side that mistakes and they are our own players. | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 09:09 - Dec 16 with 2328 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:49 - Dec 16 by SaleAway |
If I'm blaming anyone for that goal, I'm blaming Jackson for a dreadful attempt at "ending" the counter attack. We don't do sh*thousery as a rule, but he had a perfect opportunity to challenge. he should have gone for man and ball, and at least got the man, but bottled it, and was shrugged off. Burton player should have been flattened. |
You're blaming someone who tried to rectify McGuinness's mistake? | |
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| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 09:11 - Dec 16 with 2323 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don't know if it's been mentioned already on 08:43 - Dec 16 by MonkeyAlan |
Against the bottom team in league 3 ? He ought to be if he wants to be any good. I see players his age playing week in week out in the Premier League. |
Really? Which 19 year old centre backs are playing week in week out in the Premier League? | |
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