| I hope we win tonight 10:30 - Jan 26 with 4133 views | GlasgowBlue |
And convincingly.
I think Paul Lambert's time was up at Ipswich several games ago, but I don't subscribe to the "losing would be good for the long term of the club" school of thought anymore than I did to "relegation will be better for our long term good".
Lambert must see that the formation and tactics he's been employing simply isnt working anymore. His line up and formation will be a sign of whether he feels it's win or the sack or whether he doesn't give a fcuk either way.
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| I hope we win tonight on 10:33 - Jan 26 with 3741 views | davblue |
I don't think he has any idea how to set up a team to be a good attacking team, that's been proven by the 27 months he's been here no matter formation, style of play. |  | | |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:37 - Jan 26 with 3718 views | GavTWTD |
If we can't beat or draw against a team that had zero shots on target, what hope do we have against Sunderland.
If we were to lose the next 2/3 matches by a significant margin, are you saying that there would be more or less chance of getting rid than if we won the next 2/3? |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 10:42 - Jan 26 with 3685 views | Fixed_It |
I can't want us to lose. I just can't.
Having said that, I will not he as cross if we do as I normally would, as it should bring things to a head within 24 hours. Notice, though, that I used the word 'should'... |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 10:47 - Jan 26 with 3642 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I just don't see your logic there. I'm not sure anyone actually said "relegation will be better for our long term good". But the two are not comparable anyway. If a convincing win just prolongs his tenure a bit longer then that obviously isn't good for the long term. If a couple more defeats means we get a new, and competent, manager, then we'll still have a chance this (crucial) season.
The only way your logic works is if the convincing win isn't just a one-off and Lambert has suddenly learn't overnight from all the mistakes he's been making. With the best will in the world, that's not very likely is it?
Come on Sunderland and Crewe. Put us out of our misery. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 10:51 - Jan 26 with 3595 views | Guthrum |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:42 - Jan 26 by Fixed_It |
I can't want us to lose. I just can't.
Having said that, I will not he as cross if we do as I normally would, as it should bring things to a head within 24 hours. Notice, though, that I used the word 'should'... |
This is probably where I am. Don't want us to lose, slip further down the table. But if it does bring things to a head, I will not be that unhappy. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 10:52 - Jan 26 with 3586 views | DanTheMan |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:47 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I just don't see your logic there. I'm not sure anyone actually said "relegation will be better for our long term good". But the two are not comparable anyway. If a convincing win just prolongs his tenure a bit longer then that obviously isn't good for the long term. If a couple more defeats means we get a new, and competent, manager, then we'll still have a chance this (crucial) season.
The only way your logic works is if the convincing win isn't just a one-off and Lambert has suddenly learn't overnight from all the mistakes he's been making. With the best will in the world, that's not very likely is it?
Come on Sunderland and Crewe. Put us out of our misery. |
There was a minority that did think that relegation would be preferable to further seasons under McCarthy. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 10:52 - Jan 26 with 3586 views | J4ck22 |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:47 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I just don't see your logic there. I'm not sure anyone actually said "relegation will be better for our long term good". But the two are not comparable anyway. If a convincing win just prolongs his tenure a bit longer then that obviously isn't good for the long term. If a couple more defeats means we get a new, and competent, manager, then we'll still have a chance this (crucial) season.
The only way your logic works is if the convincing win isn't just a one-off and Lambert has suddenly learn't overnight from all the mistakes he's been making. With the best will in the world, that's not very likely is it?
Come on Sunderland and Crewe. Put us out of our misery. |
To be fair, some people absolutely did say that about relegation.
It's a tough one though. I obviously want us to win, but I just hope that the inevitable loss won't be for nothing. |  | | |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:57 - Jan 26 with 3561 views | davblue |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:42 - Jan 26 by Fixed_It |
I can't want us to lose. I just can't.
Having said that, I will not he as cross if we do as I normally would, as it should bring things to a head within 24 hours. Notice, though, that I used the word 'should'... |
I can't see him getting sacked if we lose tonight, that's the most worrying thing.
Evans really can't see his head from his ar5e in regards to Lambert, it's very worrying that he's still in a job and the owner can't see what damage it's doing to the club and the support.
There's really nothing else anyone can add now it's been spoken about before. | | | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 11:11 - Jan 26 with 3467 views | gordon |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:47 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I just don't see your logic there. I'm not sure anyone actually said "relegation will be better for our long term good". But the two are not comparable anyway. If a convincing win just prolongs his tenure a bit longer then that obviously isn't good for the long term. If a couple more defeats means we get a new, and competent, manager, then we'll still have a chance this (crucial) season.
The only way your logic works is if the convincing win isn't just a one-off and Lambert has suddenly learn't overnight from all the mistakes he's been making. With the best will in the world, that's not very likely is it?
Come on Sunderland and Crewe. Put us out of our misery. |
Yes if there was a chance that Lambert could actually turn things around, then of course I'd want him to do that. But there isn't. I just don't see how prolonging the situation is going to help the club.
This season is pretty much gone now, in terms of promotion - the turnaround in form we'd need would be massive, with lots of difficult games coming up, no time to work on systems / tactics, no strikers scoring goals, in a league where even really good teams struggle to be consistent.
Obviously we still try and sneak into the play-offs, but basically the over-riding thing is to get the club into as good a state as possible for next season.
With so many players out of contract and the shake-up of the salary cap coming, we really, really, really need to be as prepared as possible for what will be one of the most important close-seasons in the clubs recent history - if we let Lambert linger too long and appoint a new manager too late and get it wrong over the summer, we could be in an awful situation next season. |  | | |
| I hope we win tonight on 11:22 - Jan 26 with 3402 views | pointofblue |
I feel worse in that I don’t actually care. Town losing normally puts me in a foul mood for the rest of the weekend but after the Peterborough game I felt nothing. Feel the same about nothing. Win, lose, draw, what does it matter in the long run? Even if Lambert goes and the new person manages to drag us up, what would the point? So we can fight against relegation amongst the money clubs? | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 11:25 - Jan 26 with 3382 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I hope we win tonight on 11:22 - Jan 26 by pointofblue |
I feel worse in that I don’t actually care. Town losing normally puts me in a foul mood for the rest of the weekend but after the Peterborough game I felt nothing. Feel the same about nothing. Win, lose, draw, what does it matter in the long run? Even if Lambert goes and the new person manages to drag us up, what would the point? So we can fight against relegation amongst the money clubs? |
Yep, same here. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 11:25 - Jan 26 with 3383 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| I hope we win tonight on 11:22 - Jan 26 by pointofblue |
I feel worse in that I don’t actually care. Town losing normally puts me in a foul mood for the rest of the weekend but after the Peterborough game I felt nothing. Feel the same about nothing. Win, lose, draw, what does it matter in the long run? Even if Lambert goes and the new person manages to drag us up, what would the point? So we can fight against relegation amongst the money clubs? |
Sadly, I'm right there with you. | | | |
| I hope we win tonight on 11:28 - Jan 26 with 3361 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:52 - Jan 26 by DanTheMan |
There was a minority that did think that relegation would be preferable to further seasons under McCarthy. |
There's probably a larger minority who think the world is flat. It's not really relevant though. | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 11:30 - Jan 26 with 3341 views | eireblue |
| I hope we win tonight on 11:11 - Jan 26 by gordon |
Yes if there was a chance that Lambert could actually turn things around, then of course I'd want him to do that. But there isn't. I just don't see how prolonging the situation is going to help the club.
This season is pretty much gone now, in terms of promotion - the turnaround in form we'd need would be massive, with lots of difficult games coming up, no time to work on systems / tactics, no strikers scoring goals, in a league where even really good teams struggle to be consistent.
Obviously we still try and sneak into the play-offs, but basically the over-riding thing is to get the club into as good a state as possible for next season.
With so many players out of contract and the shake-up of the salary cap coming, we really, really, really need to be as prepared as possible for what will be one of the most important close-seasons in the clubs recent history - if we let Lambert linger too long and appoint a new manager too late and get it wrong over the summer, we could be in an awful situation next season. |
That is one of the reasons I don’t understand ME’s decision making.
Some of his other businesses, must be driven by understanding metrics and statistics, in order to formats sales and investments.
But he seems tied up in football speak and also seems to think things like we are only X points of promotion/playoff places.
That sort of thinking is nonsense. Performance stats regress to a mean. The team/manager combination will perform at a certain mean level.
I think it very easy to see what sort of win rate and ppg Lambert and the team can achieve.
If we can’t reach promotion/playoff on ppg, based on historical data, then Lambert should go, right now.
Hopefully ME is doing that now and lining up a new manager.
So I hope we win and make it more likely that a new manager can get us a chance of promotion. |  | | |
| I hope we win tonight on 11:50 - Jan 26 with 3247 views | chrismakin |
If we win tonight itll follow a motm performance from Thomas.
Apart from his potential alongside Edward's I cant see anything from our current offering that can beat this newl Sunderland set up. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 12:48 - Jan 26 with 3133 views | itfcjoe |
I'd happily continue to lose until Lambert goes, the sooner it happens the better for the club
He simply won't get it right, so whoever the next man is needs to he longest possible run up to the summer - whether that becomes too late for promotion or not.
This summer, with 20 players out of contract, we need someone who has seen as much evidence as possible as to who they want to build their team around next year.
Paul Lambert has failed, failed and is failing again. He is a total busted flush and there is zero chance of getting promoted with him in the dugout. Whatever it takes to get him out ASAP is what the club needs.
I haven't enjoyed the recent wins against Burton (x2) and Shrewsbury. The Plymouth one was a better game and was happier with that one.
I'm not enjoying the wins, they feel like they just prolong this reign. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 13:14 - Jan 26 with 3053 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I hope we win tonight on 12:48 - Jan 26 by itfcjoe |
I'd happily continue to lose until Lambert goes, the sooner it happens the better for the club
He simply won't get it right, so whoever the next man is needs to he longest possible run up to the summer - whether that becomes too late for promotion or not.
This summer, with 20 players out of contract, we need someone who has seen as much evidence as possible as to who they want to build their team around next year.
Paul Lambert has failed, failed and is failing again. He is a total busted flush and there is zero chance of getting promoted with him in the dugout. Whatever it takes to get him out ASAP is what the club needs.
I haven't enjoyed the recent wins against Burton (x2) and Shrewsbury. The Plymouth one was a better game and was happier with that one.
I'm not enjoying the wins, they feel like they just prolong this reign. |
Indeed. That win Hurst got at Swansea prolonged him a bit - but what did it achieve? It was such a fluke (was it something daft like 27% possession?) Even if we win well rather than flukely tonight, I can't see Lambert suddenly taking this team on a run. Unless the new loanees turn out to be world-beaters. | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 13:37 - Jan 26 with 2990 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| I hope we win tonight on 10:42 - Jan 26 by Fixed_It |
I can't want us to lose. I just can't.
Having said that, I will not he as cross if we do as I normally would, as it should bring things to a head within 24 hours. Notice, though, that I used the word 'should'... |
Its not about wanting us to lose for me, its about the reasonable expectation that we will.
Lambert said on Saturday that we played 'really well' and he couldn't ask the players 'for anymore'.
So on that basis, it will be the same side in the same formation else he's going to look bloody silly.
Same team, same formation, that couldn't break down an off form posh and never looked like scoring, struggled to beat Burton and lost to Swindon?
We'll lose. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 13:44 - Jan 26 with 2959 views | istanblue |
Winning tonight would literally be the worst thing that could happen. If we did, it would most likely be an insipid and fluky victory over a Sunderland side in transition anyway. All it would do is give Evans the excuse to kick the can down the road where PR Paul will inevitably lose more games than he wins and set us firmly on course for a midtable finish with no time for anyone to come in and clean up his mess.
If this '3 games to save his job' rumour is true then any real ITFC supporter will want us to lose tonight. |  | | |
| I hope we win tonight on 13:49 - Jan 26 with 2945 views | textbackup |
to hold on to this romantic notion that a terrible football manager will see the error of his ways and change it all up is as mad as anything I've heard in the game.
Older stubborn d1ckhead men simply think they are correct 100% of the time, and aren't open to suggestions or criticism. He believes himself to be above this, only too evident in the sht he spouts after games.
He's dead behind the eyes with no fcking idea what day of the week it is, let alone how to, or be bother to, change and make better what he has turned us into on the pitch.
with that in mind, if sunderland fck us 0-3 I wouldn't bat an eyelid if it means the even bigger d1ckhead above him sacks him |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 13:52 - Jan 26 with 2926 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| I hope we win tonight on 13:49 - Jan 26 by textbackup |
to hold on to this romantic notion that a terrible football manager will see the error of his ways and change it all up is as mad as anything I've heard in the game.
Older stubborn d1ckhead men simply think they are correct 100% of the time, and aren't open to suggestions or criticism. He believes himself to be above this, only too evident in the sht he spouts after games.
He's dead behind the eyes with no fcking idea what day of the week it is, let alone how to, or be bother to, change and make better what he has turned us into on the pitch.
with that in mind, if sunderland fck us 0-3 I wouldn't bat an eyelid if it means the even bigger d1ckhead above him sacks him |
And then what do we do about the even bigger d!ckhead?
Lets say the short term issue is sorted tomorrow morning, how do we solve the long term issue? | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 13:53 - Jan 26 with 2920 views | SpruceMoose |
| I hope we win tonight on 13:52 - Jan 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
And then what do we do about the even bigger d!ckhead?
Lets say the short term issue is sorted tomorrow morning, how do we solve the long term issue? |
We can't. Other than to kick up a stink and vote with our wallets, supporters are utterly powerless. |  |
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| I hope we win tonight on 14:05 - Jan 26 with 2877 views | textbackup |
| I hope we win tonight on 13:52 - Jan 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
And then what do we do about the even bigger d!ckhead?
Lets say the short term issue is sorted tomorrow morning, how do we solve the long term issue? |
IMO, for what it’s worth, is we need him to employ a manager/management team that tell him the plan. That can deal with running a rudderless ship.
Because let’s have it right, if a manager comes in here and has an ounce of success on the pitch they’ll be a hero here... (and it wouldn’t take much, maybe ever 5/6 shots a game) | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 14:17 - Jan 26 with 2832 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I hope we win tonight on 13:49 - Jan 26 by textbackup |
to hold on to this romantic notion that a terrible football manager will see the error of his ways and change it all up is as mad as anything I've heard in the game.
Older stubborn d1ckhead men simply think they are correct 100% of the time, and aren't open to suggestions or criticism. He believes himself to be above this, only too evident in the sht he spouts after games.
He's dead behind the eyes with no fcking idea what day of the week it is, let alone how to, or be bother to, change and make better what he has turned us into on the pitch.
with that in mind, if sunderland fck us 0-3 I wouldn't bat an eyelid if it means the even bigger d1ckhead above him sacks him |
Yeah but what do you really think about Lambert? | |
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| I hope we win tonight on 14:20 - Jan 26 with 2823 views | J2BLUE |
Nonsense. We've got a drunk in charge of the coach. I'd rather we crashed into a hedge than let him get on the motorway.
I don't see the logic in extending this a few more weeks for three points which won't make any difference if he stays.
Short term pain (1-2 more defeats), long term gain. |  |
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