| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? 10:25 - Feb 18 with 12525 views | OsborneOneNil |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 07:43 - Feb 19 with 991 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 20:06 - Feb 18 by Kropotkin123 |
Yes, I selected the stat that highlights my doubt. Why would I present a fact that doesn't support my case. That would be incredibly stupid.
Of course it is my opinion, I don't claim to speak for others. It is also your opinion that it is weak.
I think you underestimate how difficult it is to upwardly manage at this club. Even a decent and experienced manager like MM found it a challenge to work within the constraints put upon him.
I think using Lincoln as a sole example within the EFL to support a counter argument is not only weak, but hypercritical... "to be honest". |
We are in our lowest league position for about 50 years, 'managing upwards' from here is almost inevitable for any semi competent Manager.
I have absolutely zero doubt that the Cowleys would improve us from where we are now, you don't, which is your prerogative but all of the evidence suggests you are entirely wrong. |  | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 07:47 - Feb 19 with 973 views | BseaBlue |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 07:43 - Feb 19 by Harry_Palmer |
We are in our lowest league position for about 50 years, 'managing upwards' from here is almost inevitable for any semi competent Manager.
I have absolutely zero doubt that the Cowleys would improve us from where we are now, you don't, which is your prerogative but all of the evidence suggests you are entirely wrong. |
Someone said on here the other day 'Have we really fallen as low as the Cowleys' I quickly pointed out that they have been in the championship more recently than us! |  | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:12 - Feb 19 with 932 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 07:43 - Feb 19 by Harry_Palmer |
We are in our lowest league position for about 50 years, 'managing upwards' from here is almost inevitable for any semi competent Manager.
I have absolutely zero doubt that the Cowleys would improve us from where we are now, you don't, which is your prerogative but all of the evidence suggests you are entirely wrong. |
No it doesn't. It is your opinion that I'm wrong. Evidence showed that someone with comparable statistics and approach (PH) couldn't do it. |  |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:21 - Feb 19 with 919 views | itfcjoe |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:12 - Feb 19 by Kropotkin123 |
No it doesn't. It is your opinion that I'm wrong. Evidence showed that someone with comparable statistics and approach (PH) couldn't do it. |
Paul hurst was trying to manage in the Championship when his managerial career had been spent lower with one season in League 1, the Cowley's have managed in a higher division, and in the division being asked of them
It's really incomparable to Hurst |  |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:24 - Feb 19 with 904 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:12 - Feb 19 by Kropotkin123 |
No it doesn't. It is your opinion that I'm wrong. Evidence showed that someone with comparable statistics and approach (PH) couldn't do it. |
Paul Hurt joined us in the Championship, not floundering mid table in League One. Its not a valid comparison, you have just defeated your own argument, .
If you don't like the Cowley's style of football, their general persona or even feel that there are simply better candidates out there, they would all be better reasons for not wanting them here.
Trying to use their performance at Huddersfield ( which was decent anyway under the circumstances ) and completely ignoring all of their success in the lower divisions is a weak argument. [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 8:25]
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:24 - Feb 19 with 906 views | portmanking |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:12 - Feb 19 by Kropotkin123 |
No it doesn't. It is your opinion that I'm wrong. Evidence showed that someone with comparable statistics and approach (PH) couldn't do it. |
Hurst had never managed in the Championship though? Cowleys turned around a sinking ship at Huddersfield, so your opinion is, frankly, moot. |  | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:44 - Feb 19 with 866 views | crossyitfc |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 10:53 - Feb 18 by PhilTWTD |
Cook has definitely been in the thoughts but obviously now looks to be going elsewhere. Pearson would be a very strong candidate if he's interested and another source has backed up that he's been spoken to. I might be tempted to see him as favourite at the moment but that's assuming he's actually interested.
Harris is another that's been contacted as well. There may well be others, of course, but the four that are mentioned are those that I've heard are in the running and have been sounded out, although to what degree I don't know.
Kieron might be another to add to the list but obviously awkward for ME to start sounding out the U23s coach about the manager's job with the manager still in place. |
I'd be delighted with Pearson. Listened to an old Peter Crouch podcast episode where Kasper Schmeichel couldn't speak highly enough of him. Admittedly a long-shot but he sounds like the perfect fit:
"I've always said that we owe Nigel a great deal because even today, so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
"He was so good at looking at the big picture, he was so good at planning and implementing ways of getting the structure of the club in the right place and without doubt he deserves so much credit." |  | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:46 - Feb 19 with 853 views | chrismakin |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:44 - Feb 19 by crossyitfc |
I'd be delighted with Pearson. Listened to an old Peter Crouch podcast episode where Kasper Schmeichel couldn't speak highly enough of him. Admittedly a long-shot but he sounds like the perfect fit:
"I've always said that we owe Nigel a great deal because even today, so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
"He was so good at looking at the big picture, he was so good at planning and implementing ways of getting the structure of the club in the right place and without doubt he deserves so much credit." |
"so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
It's so perfect
It's exactly why Evans won't do it |  |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:47 - Feb 19 with 844 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:44 - Feb 19 by crossyitfc |
I'd be delighted with Pearson. Listened to an old Peter Crouch podcast episode where Kasper Schmeichel couldn't speak highly enough of him. Admittedly a long-shot but he sounds like the perfect fit:
"I've always said that we owe Nigel a great deal because even today, so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
"He was so good at looking at the big picture, he was so good at planning and implementing ways of getting the structure of the club in the right place and without doubt he deserves so much credit." |
Would definitely be an outstanding appointment if we could get him. It's a big IF though. | | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:58 - Feb 19 with 834 views | itfcjoe |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:44 - Feb 19 by crossyitfc |
I'd be delighted with Pearson. Listened to an old Peter Crouch podcast episode where Kasper Schmeichel couldn't speak highly enough of him. Admittedly a long-shot but he sounds like the perfect fit:
"I've always said that we owe Nigel a great deal because even today, so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
"He was so good at looking at the big picture, he was so good at planning and implementing ways of getting the structure of the club in the right place and without doubt he deserves so much credit." |
I think Pearson and the Cowley's are the stand out candidates as both have built clubs from the bottom up by getting buy in from their owners
Pearson has done it at a similar sized club with great success, Cowley's have done it at a smaller club with great success
I think Pearson is the safer pair of hands, although Cowley's have more potential. Evans is normally quite risk averse so would expect him to be more interested in the manager with a higher floor (Pearson), than a potential higher ceiling (Cowley)
Both would be great appointments, thanks for pulling those quotes out | |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 09:02 - Feb 19 with 806 views | hype313 |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:44 - Feb 19 by crossyitfc |
I'd be delighted with Pearson. Listened to an old Peter Crouch podcast episode where Kasper Schmeichel couldn't speak highly enough of him. Admittedly a long-shot but he sounds like the perfect fit:
"I've always said that we owe Nigel a great deal because even today, so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
"He was so good at looking at the big picture, he was so good at planning and implementing ways of getting the structure of the club in the right place and without doubt he deserves so much credit." |
Nice quotes to read, I would be more than happy with either Pearson or Cowley.
Problem is, we don't currently have a vacancy! |  |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 09:03 - Feb 19 with 798 views | crossyitfc |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:58 - Feb 19 by itfcjoe |
I think Pearson and the Cowley's are the stand out candidates as both have built clubs from the bottom up by getting buy in from their owners
Pearson has done it at a similar sized club with great success, Cowley's have done it at a smaller club with great success
I think Pearson is the safer pair of hands, although Cowley's have more potential. Evans is normally quite risk averse so would expect him to be more interested in the manager with a higher floor (Pearson), than a potential higher ceiling (Cowley)
Both would be great appointments, thanks for pulling those quotes out |
I agree Joe, although both seem a little optimistic to me, Cowley's less-so perhaps.
The episode is definitely worth a listen. | | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 09:04 - Feb 19 with 795 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 20:14 - Feb 18 by itfcjoe |
So you think a team that has won 6 games in nearly 2 years didn’t have structural or institutional issues? Since they’ve left they’ve won 9 out of 31 games and are dropping like a stone - and now in a run of 2 points in 8 games plus been dumped out of cup by lower league opposition.
The ‘state’ ITFC are in is massively exaggerated by ITFC fans, and the owners biggest failing is giving a rubbish manager too long - Lambert is failing here because he’s rubbish and has been for a long time, not because of a lack of structure |
Completely agree with your last paragraph. Evans is a problem but it’s been massively overstated. After Lambert successfully deflected all the attention to Evans the other day I posted the below highlighting how exaggerated some of the ‘13 years going backwards’ type posts are. Reality is that one decent appointment and we could easily be back where we were in 2 years (or even 1 if he acts now and gets it really right)
EVANS is the common denominator by C_HealyIsAPleasure 17 Feb 2021 16:52This will upset a few but we haven’t really been on the decline for a decade - if you want to really pinpoint where the decline started you have to go back further to the ITV Digital collapse
In terms of Evans tenure however when he came in we were a mid table Championship club (finished 15th, 14th the previous 2 seasons and in mid table again when he arrived). Since then up until 2 years ago we’d basically remained in the same place - a couple of good/bad seasons which you’d expect in football but mostly floating around that zone. Was that what we hoped for? Of course not, but the actual decline under him only really started from the point Hurst was appointed and subsequently compounded by Lambert
So how much is down to Evans? He’s certainly massively culpable not just as the man that made those appointments but also in his failure to put in place a structure that gives us the best chance to succeed. And clearly he’s not willing to fund us at the level of the top teams in the Championship which makes it very unlikely that we’ll get to where most fans think we should be. However he’s not the reason we’re set for another mid table finish in Division 3 given the resources available to Lambert and how they compare at this level
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 10:00 - Feb 19 with 738 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:21 - Feb 19 by itfcjoe |
Paul hurst was trying to manage in the Championship when his managerial career had been spent lower with one season in League 1, the Cowley's have managed in a higher division, and in the division being asked of them
It's really incomparable to Hurst |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 10:05 - Feb 19 with 728 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:24 - Feb 19 by Harry_Palmer |
Paul Hurt joined us in the Championship, not floundering mid table in League One. Its not a valid comparison, you have just defeated your own argument, .
If you don't like the Cowley's style of football, their general persona or even feel that there are simply better candidates out there, they would all be better reasons for not wanting them here.
Trying to use their performance at Huddersfield ( which was decent anyway under the circumstances ) and completely ignoring all of their success in the lower divisions is a weak argument. [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 8:25]
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I have mentioned the first point, I don't know about their "persona" and I have suggested in other threads that Pearson and Cook would be better alternatives.
I think you are really taking this to heart. I get that you are pro DC, but it doesn't mean the rest of us share your optimistic interpretation of their stats.
You've certainly done very little to convince me with your patronising approach and self validation. | |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 11:12 - Feb 19 with 682 views | tractordownsouth |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 09:02 - Feb 19 by hype313 |
Nice quotes to read, I would be more than happy with either Pearson or Cowley.
Problem is, we don't currently have a vacancy! |
Cowleys would definitely come here. Although they did well at Huddersfield, the optics (sacked after 1 season) suggest they won't get another championship job, and there aren't many L1 clubs that give managers better resources than us. |  |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 12:02 - Feb 19 with 643 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 10:05 - Feb 19 by Kropotkin123 |
I have mentioned the first point, I don't know about their "persona" and I have suggested in other threads that Pearson and Cook would be better alternatives.
I think you are really taking this to heart. I get that you are pro DC, but it doesn't mean the rest of us share your optimistic interpretation of their stats.
You've certainly done very little to convince me with your patronising approach and self validation. |
I'm not 'pro DC', he is just one of a number of decent candidates that are all far superior to the current idiot.
The track record of success that is the Cowley's CV backs this up and is not really open to interpretation although you strangely seem to have picked out the only low win ratio they have ever had as evidence even though it was in the division above and still better than Lamberts in L1.
I'm just simply pointing out that your argument is flawed and other posters have pointed this out also. I'm not taking anything to heart, if you want to carry on making yourself look silly, fill your boots. | | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 12:04 - Feb 19 with 642 views | PhilTWTD |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 08:44 - Feb 19 by crossyitfc |
I'd be delighted with Pearson. Listened to an old Peter Crouch podcast episode where Kasper Schmeichel couldn't speak highly enough of him. Admittedly a long-shot but he sounds like the perfect fit:
"I've always said that we owe Nigel a great deal because even today, so much of the infrastructure of the club is what Nigel put in place and the staff, basically everyone from Nigel's staff is still there,"
"He was so good at looking at the big picture, he was so good at planning and implementing ways of getting the structure of the club in the right place and without doubt he deserves so much credit." |
A friend of mine worked at Leicester and make similar comments. |  | | |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 12:33 - Feb 19 with 603 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 12:02 - Feb 19 by Harry_Palmer |
I'm not 'pro DC', he is just one of a number of decent candidates that are all far superior to the current idiot.
The track record of success that is the Cowley's CV backs this up and is not really open to interpretation although you strangely seem to have picked out the only low win ratio they have ever had as evidence even though it was in the division above and still better than Lamberts in L1.
I'm just simply pointing out that your argument is flawed and other posters have pointed this out also. I'm not taking anything to heart, if you want to carry on making yourself look silly, fill your boots. |
Well done on comparing to one of our worst managers in history. I'm so enthused that he has a win percentage one better in the division above. When compared to someone like Pearson, who saved Leicester from relegation and set them up to go on and win the league the next season, he really stands out.
Again, I repeat, he would make my shortlist (as proven here -
he is a good manager. But I don't think it will work for the reasons mentioned, which are legitimate concerns, that I am entitled to make.
Your consistent patronising narrative is misplaced, and the fact you can't make a point in a civil way, assuming your and adult, is frankly an embarrassment. Welcome to the div list. | |
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| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 12:55 - Feb 19 with 569 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Paul Cook to Brizzle City? on 12:33 - Feb 19 by Kropotkin123 |
Well done on comparing to one of our worst managers in history. I'm so enthused that he has a win percentage one better in the division above. When compared to someone like Pearson, who saved Leicester from relegation and set them up to go on and win the league the next season, he really stands out.
Again, I repeat, he would make my shortlist (as proven here -
he is a good manager. But I don't think it will work for the reasons mentioned, which are legitimate concerns, that I am entitled to make.
Your consistent patronising narrative is misplaced, and the fact you can't make a point in a civil way, assuming your and adult, is frankly an embarrassment. Welcome to the div list. |
I've been perfectly civil throughout but it looks like you are intent on continuing to make yourself look a bit silly, so i'll leave you to it. Have a good day. | | | |
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